M20 - Cork to Limerick [preferred route chosen; in design - phase 3]

Reputable Rog

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/223863/planning-process-for-limerick-cork-motorway-to-restart.html
And we're off.

Paddico

10 years away

Cookiemunster

Paddico wrote: »

10 years away

Maybe so, but if planning doesn't start for another 5 years then it will be 15 years away.

marno21

Reputable Rog wrote: »

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/223863/planning-process-for-limerick-cork-motorway-to-restart.html
And we're off.

At last..

Great to see common sense prevail. Will be interesting to see how much is committed to this in TII's 2017 allocations, seeing as it's a bit of a late addition.

No reason this can't be done in time for the 2023 RWC if the interest is there.

marno21

Discussion on the M20 coming up on the Last Word on Today FM. Not sure when, Matt just mentioned it st the top of the show


Will stick up a recording later for anyone who misses it.

Mc Love

Was listening to the new Rammstein album but going to switch this on now

Mc Love

O'Donovan on bigging it up

Mc Love

Mitchelstown route option popular from viewers

Copper_pipe

http://www.todayfm.com/player/listen_back/7/33545/16th_November_2016_-_The_Last_Word_with_Matt_Cooper_Part_1

Motorway discussion from 2:15 on.

marno21

Discussion about the TII's need for more funding (most importantly the M20) including a chat with the Minister for State for Waffling and Talking **** Patrick O'Donovan on the Last Word with Matt Cooper.

Link uploaded here for ease of use: http://www.filedropper.com/lastwordmotorways16nov

Cheers to copper_pipe for the direct link too from which this is cut.

marno21

Confirmation from Michael Nolan of TII that we are starting with a blank slate from absolute zero.

https://www.facebook.com/SeanSherlockTD/videos/1126503124054205/

Reputable Rog

Copper_pipe wrote: »

http://www.todayfm.com/player/listen_back/7/33545/16th_November_2016_-_The_Last_Word_with_Matt_Cooper_Part_1

Motorway discussion from 2:15 on.

O'Donovan was appalling, just bull****ting to get off the radio.

Chris_5339762

marno21 wrote: »

Confirmation from Michael Nolan of TII that we are starting with a blank slate from absolute zero.

https://www.facebook.com/SeanSherlockTD/videos/1126503124054205/

So stupid. They have a good set of plans which went through the whole process already.

Truckermal

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

So stupid. They have a good set of plans which went through the whole process already.

I wonder if all the old plans had gone through smoothly with no objections would this road have made it to construction?

Chris_5339762

There were no real objections though... the old plans were broadly accepted AFAIK. It stopped because the government couldn't afford the CPOs for the route.

Mc Love

Wasnt there an objection from the people of Buttevant

Cookiemunster

Mc Love wrote: »

Wasnt there an objection from the people of Buttevant

They wanted a junction added and they got it.

Shurwhynot

With the 10 year timeline being bandied around, and with the RWC potentially coming our way, surely this could be looked at in stages. Half a motorway would be better than no motorway - whether it be Cork to Mallow, or Croom to Mallow.

Vanquished

marno21 wrote: »

Confirmation from Michael Nolan of TII that we are starting with a blank slate from absolute zero.

https://www.facebook.com/SeanSherlockTD/videos/1126503124054205/

If that's true then it's an astonishing statement. A preferred route for the M20 was selected in 2009 but the project was then pulled from the An Bord Pleanala process in 2011 by Varadker.

A comprehensive and rigorous route selection, development and design process took place between 2006 and 2009. The only part of that route that requires amending is the tie-in with the current M20 around Attyflin as the Adare bypass route has since been changed. Provision was also included for an interchange with the Cork Northern Ring Road.

One would have to assume that this is merely a deliberate stalling tactic to buy themselves some time so that no significant commitment has to be made to the project for a significant period . Much like the pathetic and completely unnecessary "re-designs" of DART Undergound and Metro North.

zulutango

The leadership been shown here is truly abysmal.

Copper_pipe

Anyone have a link of a route they recommended. On a map like

marno21

Vanquished wrote: »

If that's true then it's an astonishing statement. A preferred route for the M20 was selected in 2009 but the project was then pulled from the An Bord Pleanala process in 2011 by Varadker.

A comprehensive and rigorous route selection, development and design process took place between 2006 and 2009. The only part of that route that requires amending is the tie-in with the current M20 around Attyflin as the Adare bypass route has since been changed. Provision was also included for an interchange with the Cork Northern Ring Road.

One would have to assume that this is merely a deliberate stalling tactic to buy themselves some time so that no significant commitment has to be made to the project for a significant period . Much like the pathetic and completely unnecessary "re-designs" of DART Undergound and Metro North.

A few months ago we heard that the Ballybofey bypass and the N14 dual carraigeway had to be done from scratch even though they were sent to ABP in 2009. Disappointing

marno21

Copper_pipe wrote: »

Anyone have a link of a route they recommended. On a map like

http://www.corkrdo.ie/files/M20BacksmlFINAL.pdf

A rough one at least.

marno21

Here's the most detailed route plan that was published in 2009:


M20 South: Blarney to Velvetstown
http://www.corkrdo.ie/files/M20_Cork_Limerick_Motorway%20Scheme_Preliminary%20Design_June_2009/handout_01_02.pdf

M20 North: Velvetstown to Attyflin
http://www.corkrdo.ie/files/M20_Cork_Limerick_Motorway%20Scheme_Preliminary%20Design_June_2009/handout_03_04.pdf

Leonard Hofstadter

Without wishing to get too carried away, I'm absolutely delighted (and relieved) to hear that this is back on the agenda.

Yes, we are starting from the very beginning, but at least we are finally starting. It was always the case that once the planning permission was suspended by one Mr Varadkar that we'd have to start all over again, unfortunately.

The fact that it's only costing €1 million is what used to frustrate me so much - there was no reason they couldn't have found the €1 million two or three years ago. But hey, it's better late than never. Hopefully because it's previously been designed, it will be quicker to redo the entire route - we've already got a very good idea of what the route ought to be. But at least now that the logjam of planning permission has finally been broken, perhaps by the time I'm 40 I will be able to travel to Limerick on a motorway after all (I'm 28 at present)!

Truckermal

It's costing 1 Billion!

spacetweek

Truckermal wrote: »

It's costing 1 Billion!

700-780 million.
That's only around 7-8 million per km which is a good price for motorway through a rural area.

pigtown

Was there a service area planned along the route?

Chris_5339762

There was an idea for one near Charleville, AFAIK.

Reputable Rog

pigtown wrote: »

Was there a service area planned along the route?

One east of Mallow as well.