brady done for year

davyjose

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm just amazed at how your view of things change over a couple of months and one game which we won by the way. Here is what I'm talking about.


As a matter of fact you seem to contradict yourself quite a lot. Thats why I was asking you for your prediction again.
You have said all of that in the space of a couple of months.

A 9-7 winning season is a very respectable outcome, If the Colts lost Manning I think they'd go 4-12. But TBH, I think Brady is an extraordinary loss to the Pats, and I think their chances of matching their success of recent years is gone.

If I seem self-contradictory, then pardon me. But it works both ways, some of the same Pats fans saying Brady is the Greatest QB ever etc etc, are now saying that the Pats can still go ahead and have a successful season.

Can I ask how you think they'll fare this season?

tallaghtoutlaws

davyjose wrote: »

Pats fans saying Brady is the Greatest QB ever etc etc, are now saying that the Pats can still go ahead and have a successful season.

Can I ask how you think they'll fare this season?

Its not like those two statements neccessarily go together anyway what happens if Matt Cassell turns out to a superstar yes then Brady can still be the greatest QB ever and Patriots still have have a successful season anyway just not under the wing of the greatest

Dodge

davyjose wrote: »

If the Colts lost Manning I think they'd go 4-12.

Why do people have to resort to ridiculous claims to back up another point. Colts would be as OK without manning that the Pats will be without Brady. (I'd argue that the Colts have a better receiving corps and a better running game too)

This whole thread is frankly ridiculous. The majority of us have no idea how good/bad Matt Cassell is, so lets wait and see. The idea that Welker is a nobody before he signed for the Pats is ridiculous too. He was always noted as the best "small" WR around. The Pats playing him in the slot helped him, of course, but the idea that he was a no-one :rolleyes:

As for the Qb making the O line look good

Chucky the tree

Dodge wrote: »

Why do people have to resort to ridiculous claims to back up another point. Colts would be as OK without manning that the Pats will be without Brady. (I'd argue that the Colts have a better receiving corps and a better running game too)

This whole thread is frankly ridiculous. The majority of us have no idea how good/bad Matt Cassell is, so lets wait and see. The idea that Welker is a nobody before he signed for the Pats is ridiculous too. He was always noted as the best "small" WR around. The Pats playing him in the slot helped him, of course, but the idea that he was a no-one :rolleyes:

As for the Qb making the O line look good

I dont think it ridiculous at all. They'd never make the play-offs without Manning.

titan18

YA,I do think that Bruschi and Vrabel are past it.Also Thomas is getting old and if you honestly think that the players can stop the run and rush the qb in Novemebr and December of the year,you're stupid.They're old and you saw it alst year.Ye were **** at the end of the season.Ye were lucky ot win agiasnt the Eagles,Ravens and Giants and you know it.Your cbs are bad and you know it.

Look at Welker's stats before he was at NE.The Chargers didnt think he was good enough and got rid of him after one year and he did nothing at Miami.

Brady has always made his wrs look good.Much like Brees at the Saints.It doesnt matter who his wrs are,he'll put up big numbers.Its the same with Brady,Manning and the top qbs in the league.

He makes his o-line look good as he's rarely blitzed because of the damage he can do.If you look at the game he got blitzed in,you have the Ravens,Eagles and Giants.They sacked Brady,made him hurry his throws and the o-line was shown to be poor.

Even look at the Cowboys and Browns game last weekend.How much time was Romo given to throw due to the lack of a rush?It's not exactly a good comparison as the Cowboys have the best o-line in the league.But the truth is if you are not blitzed as the defence are scared of given up the big play,you'll make the o-line look good.To blitz the qb effectively,you have to leave one on one coverage.Brady and Moss will destroy any defence in the league on those plays

tallaghtoutlaws

titan18 wrote: »

YA,I do think that Bruschi and Vrabel are past it.Also Thomas is getting old and if you honestly think that the players can stop the run and rush the qb in Novemebr and December of the year,you're stupid.They're old and you saw it alst year.Ye were **** at the end of the season.Ye were lucky ot win agiasnt the Eagles,Ravens and Giants and you know it.Your cbs are bad and you know it.

Look at Welker's stats before he was at NE.The Chargers didnt think he was good enough and got rid of him after one year and he did nothing at Miami.

Brady has always made his wrs look good.Much like Brees at the Saints.It doesnt matter who his wrs are,he'll put up big numbers.Its the same with Brady,Manning and the top qbs in the league.

He makes his o-line look good as he's rarely blitzed because of the damage he can do.If you look at the game he got blitzed in,you have the Ravens,Eagles and Giants.They sacked Brady,made him hurry his throws and the o-line was shown to be poor.

Even look at the Cowboys and Browns game last weekend.How much time was Romo given to throw due to the lack of a rush?It's not exactly a good comparison as the Cowboys have the best o-line in the league.But the truth is if you are not blitzed as the defence are scared of given up the big play,you'll make the o-line look good.To blitz the qb effectively,you have to leave one on one coverage.Brady and Moss will destroy any defence in the league on those plays

You are nuts you really are and still with the QB making an O-line look **** man get a grip and Welker had decent numbers at Miami you may want to check his stats before making a stupid cliam he was a no 4 WR in a **** team and produced the following

2005 MIA 16 29 434 15.0 47 0 20 0 0
2006 MIA 16 67 687 10.3 38 1 33 0 0
2007 NWE 16 112 1175 10.5 42 8 65 2 0

On a side note two of my buddies are sitting here and laughing at your ridiculousness both Coaches at a college level one QB and the Head. My buddy the QB is going to call all the linemen that stood in front him later and tell them he made them look good lol lol

The reason the Patriots lacked ability towards the end of last season is because they come up against 3 of the strongest pass defences in the NFL and the coverages destroyed the Brady Moss and Welker combo. The fact NE hadnt sorted out a running game killed us but there was no look involved those games were fantastic games of football were the team that plays to the final whistle wins. Luck my ass good football. This year yes our D will be shaky but hold on as second no one is calling you out on that as its your other ridiculous points that are baffling. NE D will do alright and still make the playoffs fact.

Cassell will do a good enough job and get us to the playoffs and like the NE of old the playoffs are were we play strongest.

eagle eye

davyjose wrote: »

A 9-7 winning season is a very respectable outcome, If the Colts lost Manning I think they'd go 4-12. But TBH, I think Brady is an extraordinary loss to the Pats, and I think their chances of matching their success of recent years is gone.

If I seem self-contradictory, then pardon me. But it works both ways, some of the same Pats fans saying Brady is the Greatest QB ever etc etc, are now saying that the Pats can still go ahead and have a successful season.

Can I ask how you think they'll fare this season?

This 'it works both ways' is no excuse for saying in one post the Brady is a great quarterback, then saying that if we do well this season he is only average and then saying after that again in the same post that he is the life and soul of the team.

To answer your question about how I think we will do. Well a lot does rest on how good Matt Cassel does. Basically I think he is competent, and as I said if he can handle the pressure I would expect a 12-4 season. Tom Brady is without question one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. We won so many games so easily last year because of him. Its important that I am saying here that we won them so easily because of Tom Brady, who with a great offence dominated teams.
The difference this season and again this is all based on Cassel being able to handle the pressure of being the No.1, I am not looking for magic here just a competent quarterback, I would expect us to win most of our games and then the tight ones which I see as being around 6 games, I'm giving us 2 wins in those 6 games and not any particular game just 2 of 6. So I see it 12-4 as a likely outcome. The big difference is that I don't expect to see the dominance of pretty much 12 teams that we did last year, but I'd certainly expect to see 12 wins with our schedule.

The games that I am talking about are @San Diego, @Indianapolis, Pittsburgh and Denver in Gillette Stadium and the two Jets games which I only put in because of the Favre factor.

I see us beating the Bills home and away, Miami home and away, SanFran, St Louis, Seattle, Oakland and Arizona. We've already beat the Chiefs.

I don't see that as in any way unrealistic. I'm sure we will lose some game that we don't expect to but we'll also win one of the big games as well.

titan18

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

On a side note two of my buddies are sitting here and laughing at your ridiculousness both Coaches at a college level one QB and the Head. My buddy the QB is going to call all the linemen that stood in front him later and tell them he made them look good lol lol

The reason the Patriots lacked ability towards the end of last season is because they come up against 3 of the strongest pass defences in the NFL and the coverages destroyed the Brady Moss and Welker combo. The fact NE hadnt sorted out a running game killed us but there was no look involved those games were fantastic games of football were the team that plays to the final whistle wins. Luck my ass good football. This year yes our D will be shaky but hold on as second no one is calling you out on that as its your other ridiculous points that are baffling. NE D will do alright and still make the playoffs fact.

Cassell will do a good enough job and get us to the playoffs and like the NE of old the playoffs are were we play strongest.

You expect me to believe that 2 of your firends are college football coaches sitting with you in Dublin.First of all you say that they are both coaches and then you say that one of them is the qb.Which is it?

The o-line got destroyed by the Giants.The Giants do not have good cbs like you said.Like I said,if the qb is not getting blitzed because of his ability and the wr's ability to make huge plays,the o-line is going to look good.If a side came out and blitzed over and over again,the o-line will lookk bad but it's down to the defensive co-ordinator.Look what teh Giants did to the Eagles last year.Putting up 12 sacks to an o-line that is regarded as one of the best in the league.If a blitz doesnt come,they'll look very good.When it does and they get destoyed,they are bad.

kryogen

Osi and Strahan were amazing in the Superbowl,that is what the difference was and thats what made out o line look bad in that game

Hazys

titan18 wrote: »

The o-line got destroyed by the Giants.The Giants do not have good cbs like you said.Like I said,if the qb is not getting blitzed because of his ability and the wr's ability to make huge plays,the o-line is going to look good.If a side came out and blitzed over and over again,the o-line will lookk bad but it's down to the defensive co-ordinator.Look what teh Giants did to the Eagles last year.Putting up 12 sacks to an o-line that is regarded as one of the best in the league.If a blitz doesnt come,they'll look very good.When it does and they get destoyed,they are bad.

Let the haters hate, it just makes it more satisfing when the Pats are in the playoffs and your team is 6-10. People are going to hate the Pats no matter what out of jealousy. So i couldnt be bothered trying to defend the Patriots, we'll just see in Janurary....

tallaghtoutlaws

titan18 wrote: »

You expect me to believe that 2 of your firends are college football coaches sitting with you in Dublin.First of all you say that they are both coaches and then you say that one of them is the qb.Which is it?

The o-line got destroyed by the Giants.The Giants do not have good cbs like you said.Like I said,if the qb is not getting blitzed because of his ability and the wr's ability to make huge plays,the o-line is going to look good.If a side came out and blitzed over and over again,the o-line will lookk bad but it's down to the defensive co-ordinator.Look what teh Giants did to the Eagles last year.Putting up 12 sacks to an o-line that is regarded as one of the best in the league.If a blitz doesnt come,they'll look very good.When it does and they get destoyed,they are bad.

First off I live in the US duh! And yes he is a QB coach who was a QB in a D1aa school so yes he is a QB he coaches football and still plays semi pro. See this is why you need to cop on say stupid things without thinking off them.

Yes the Giants were the only team to destroy the Patriots o-line and the Pats lost because of it in the Soup Bowl. The Patriots underestimated the Giants and the Giants raised their game they wanted the bowl more than the Pats that day no one will argue that case the Patriots as a team were fooking **** in the soup bowl simple as.

The End the Pats will prove you wrong this and I hope the fooking do. Fook me I hate people that talk **** over and over again and still fail to back it up.

eagle eye

As I said, all we need is a competent QB who can handle the pressure, not expecting a superstar:)

bruschi

eagle eye wrote: »

As I said, all we need is a competent QB who can handle the pressure, not expecting a superstar:)

and I think Cassell showed that last night. Was solid, if unspectacular. Only really tried one deep ball that wasnt a great throw, but Moss still should have made it. Moss looked fairly peed off too, but hopefully he'll get used to not having Brady and plenty of deep throw balls to him.

Its back to the defence now again for the Pats tho, and solid grinding plays. The sack by Thomas in the 4th was great to see, drove Favre back 20 yards. Bruschi as well making a lot of plays in his old age (legend that he is!) Good to see Merriweather get the INT too and Mayo was involved in stages as well. It'll be back to basics with the Pats, but thats whats needed. Jordan picked up the running game well too when Moroney was off, nice addition to the side. Some really solid charging runs out of him.

Hazys

bruschi wrote: »

and I think Cassell showed that last night. Was solid, if unspectacular. Only really tried one deep ball that wasnt a great throw, but Moss still should have made it. Moss looked fairly peed off too, but hopefully he'll get used to not having Brady and plenty of deep throw balls to him.

Its back to the defence now again for the Pats tho, and solid grinding plays. The sack by Thomas in the 4th was great to see, drove Favre back 20 yards. Bruschi as well making a lot of plays in his old age (legend that he is!) Good to see Merriweather get the INT too and Mayo was involved in stages as well. It'll be back to basics with the Pats, but thats whats needed. Jordan picked up the running game well too when Moroney was off, nice addition to the side. Some really solid charging runs out of him.

Defense excluding Favre's TD drive was excellent. Not as much QB pressure as would of liked. Mayo was very lively.

Special Teams were excellent. No kick off was returned passed the 26 yrd line, a rake of touchbacks, Gostkowski has some boot.

Offense was ok. Cassel did enough, felt hes a bit unlucky ie Moss didnt make a catch and the defelection on the pass to Thomas in the end zone (Probably better off he doesnt need the hype). LaMont Jordan looked good and very glad to have faulk back. Maroney is still as fragile as he was last year

Indie18

i think the problem with the pats is that its easy to say you hate them(out of jealousy) because they are one of if not the best team in the league. i'm not a pats fan but i wouldn't say i hate them thats not to say i don't enjoy it when they lose but thats because they are the one of best. its the same when i watch soccer i love seeing man utd of chelsea get beaten cause their the best. in the end people are always going to say they HATE the best teams and its all down to a little bit of jealousy. were as reasonable people will except the fact that someone elses team are just better than yours. on the bright side your teams day will one day come.

tallaghtoutlaws

Im happy with the Pats last night reminded me of the 2002 season. Worked as a unit and built on the success of 2001. When you look back Brady had alot of shaky games in 2001 and 2002 but he gained experience from getting the starts and now look. BB believes in Cassell and so should we as last night he proved he can play football. He wasnt the greatest and made alot of bad judgements but hey I remember a time when both Bledsoe and Brady made the same mistakes and still went on to be good QB's. Bledsoe the unluckier of the 2 Cassell will get there and you know what if we beat Miami on Sunday it gets 3 of the should win games out of the way and gives Cassell that bit of confidence to take on the bigger teams. Right now the Chargers and Colts are ****ting the bed scraping or not scraping wins together and are poor. With the AFC being so poor right now and teams you would expect to win not and others scraping wins who knows who will be walking out of there with a solid record. There is no reason now why NE cant go 10-6 or even 11-5 hell even 14-2.

Indie18

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

. There is no reason now why NE cant go 10-6 or even 11-5 hell even 14-2.

or dare you say it 16 - 0:D. i can't see it but never say it won't happen.....although i hope it doesn't:D

Rustar

Arthur Daley wrote: »

...discount them at your peril.:eek:

Muahahahahaaaaaa! Making Favre cry was one of the greatest highlights of football history!

Cassell played at least as well as half the QBs in the league, and the Pats defence, Wes Welker, and Sammy Morris took care of the rest.

On a side note, Peyton Manning cried quite a bit yesterday too (though we expect that from him), but we were pleasantly surprised when he smiled at the end of the Colts game.

Hazys

BTW, Charlie Weis is done for the year.

Exact same injury as Brady, with a torn ACL and MCL, weird.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6mPYwb1Tno

tallaghtoutlaws

Rustar wrote: »

Muahahahahaaaaaa! Making Favre cry was one of the greatest highlights of football history!

Cassell played at least as well as half the QBs in the league, and the Pats defence, Wes Welker, and Sammy Morris took care of the rest.

On a side note, Peyton Manning cried quite a bit yesterday too (though we expect that from him), but we were pleasantly surprised when he smiled at the end of the Colts game.

Morris did fook all 8 carries no yards and 1 reception for 7 yards it was Lamont Jordan who did all the grunt work after Maroney got injured 11 carries and 62 yards. Me thinks Jordan and Maroney should now carry the load. Morris did get the TD but on a goal line situation you would expect any of your backs to get that.

Hazys

bruschi wrote: »

Moss looked fairly peed off too, but hopefully he'll get used to not having Brady and plenty of deep throw balls to him.

Moss' post game quote:

"I don't think there is one person in my face with this microphone that picked us to win," Moss said to a group of reporters.

"I'm going to end [my interview this way]: The New England Patriots [are] 2-0. We got one in the division, so all you haters keep hating. We're coming."

Legend, The Pats are going to kick ass this season...

eagle eye

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Morris did fook all 8 carries no yards and 1 reception for 7 yards it was Lamont Jordan who did all the grunt work after Maroney got injured 11 carries and 62 yards. Me thinks Jordan and Maroney should now carry the load. Morris did get the TD but on a goal line situation you would expect any of your backs to get that.

Morris was great last week, and while he did not do much this week he is still the best man for the hard yards.

tallaghtoutlaws

eagle eye wrote: »

Morris was great last week, and while he did not do much this week he is still the best man for the hard yards.

Honestly he has proven to be a worthy back but his inconsistancy and old age will be his downfall. He has the inability to find open holes in the line and his cuts take an eternity. Were Jordan on the other hand seems alot fresher and has the ability to move. Morris will suffer badly against good run defences were Maroney and Jordan sharing the carries will fair much better.

eagle eye

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Honestly he has proven to be a worthy back but his inconsistancy and old age will be his downfall. He has the inability to find open holes in the line and his cuts take an eternity. Were Jordan on the other hand seems alot fresher and has the ability to move. Morris will suffer badly against good run defences were Maroney and Jordan sharing the carries will fair much better.

I am not disagreeing with you on the old age thing at all, and Maroney and Jordan are both looking really good. What I mean is that when you are faced with a 3rd and 1 or 2, Morris is the man you want for those situations. Especially a long 1 where power is important.

tallaghtoutlaws

eagle eye wrote: »

I am not disagreeing with you on the old age thing at all, and Maroney and Jordan are both looking really good. What I mean is that when you are faced with a 3rd and 1 or 2, Morris is the man you want for those situations. Especially a long 1 where power is important.

Totally agree with ye there but honeslty thats what our FB are good at also. Morris will provide that ability to punch it in most definitely on those short gains but stop giving him carries on 1st or 2nd down let maroney and jordan take them.

Chucky the tree

Jordan wont last much longer before he is injuried