Match Thread: Liverpool V Manchester United [All Pre/During/Post Match Discussion]

kida · 08-09-2008 2:22pm

Who have pool got that will play in both internationals? Mr Cautious doesn't usually play them the following week?

missingtime · 08-09-2008 2:23pm

1-1 draw or a 2-1 win

Don't know for who yet though. I dont know if I'm going to be able to watch it.

Would love to see Keano or N'gog score.

The Rooster · 08-09-2008 3:18pm

kida wrote: »

Who have pool got that will play in both internationals? Mr Cautious doesn't usually play them the following week?

Keane, Agger, Skrtel and Yossi will all start both games. Babel started for Holland in their friendly v Australia and Kuyt came on as sub, and they'll probably have some involvement in their qualifier on Wednesday.

At this early stage in the season I don't think it'll count for much. Might improve Riera's chances of starting ahead of Benayoun or Babel, but Kuyt will start either way. Rafa had a little outburst on the official LFC site about not being able to rest players without getting heaps of abuse, which in my opinion is a pretty big hint that only one of Torres or Keane will start v United.

newballsplease · 08-09-2008 3:45pm

Gerrard to miss the game!! SWEET:D

_blank_ · 08-09-2008 3:54pm

Wishing injuries on footballers is a horrible thing to do.

Shame on the people who have done that.

ntlbell · 08-09-2008 3:55pm

Des wrote: »

Wishing injuries on footballers is a horrible thing to do.

Shame on the people who have done that.

He's not wishing an injury on him he's just glad he happens to have one..

_blank_ · 08-09-2008 3:57pm

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

I'd prefer to see Gary Neville carried off.

No, he clearly stated that he'd like to see a player carried off.

He wants to see a player injured.

That is sick.

herbieflowers · 08-09-2008 3:59pm

heh, there was me thinking you were refering to the previous post like a logical person

dfx- · 08-09-2008 3:59pm

I think we all know it'll be Liverpool 0-1 Manchester United

The question is whether the goal will be scored by Van Der Sar's wisdom tooth or Evra's left shoulder blade.

RasTa · 08-09-2008 4:00pm

jaykay74 wrote: »

If you are in Stockholm you could try O'Learys in Slussen. I've seen a few games in there. big crowds, decent enough atmosphere. The game will be on in a lot of pubs as they follow english football closely.
http://www.olearys.se/

Good man, think my mate who I'm going over to see works there sometimes. He doesn't follow footy so didn't have a clue.

Anyway I would like this team, doubt it will be anywhere close. We might see Berbs starting on the bench.

Van Der Sar
Brown Rio Vidic Evra
Carrick Scholes
Tevez Anderson Rooney
Berbatov

pesireland · 08-09-2008 4:04pm

RasTa wrote: »

Good man, think my mate who I'm going over to see works there sometimes. He doesn't follow footy so didn't have a clue.

Anyway I would like this team, doubt it will be anywhere close. We might see Berbs starting on the bench.

Van Der Sar
Brown Rio Vidic Evra
Carrick Scholes
Tevez Anderson Rooney
Berbatov

Thats a very strong line up i must say, utd are very very strong at the back, and i just fear that if Torres is missing me might not have enough to break them down and its sad to say that when we have £20m keane and £10m Kuyt probarbly in the team. COME ON YOUR REDS!!!!

Keane 2-0 Man Utd, I can see the headlines now

missingtime · 08-09-2008 4:05pm

Des wrote: »

No, he clearly stated that he'd like to see a player carried off.

He wants to see a player injured.

That is sick.

Does it count if its gary neville though?

~Rebel~ · 08-09-2008 4:10pm

Starting lineup for pool, im gonna go with;

Reina
Arbeloa--Carra--Skrtel--Dossena

Masch--Alonso
-Kuyt

Keane

Riera

Torres

with maybe Aurelio instead of Dossena and Agger instead of Carra (with carra at RB)

WalkOn · 08-09-2008 4:38pm

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Starting lineup for pool, im gonna go with;
Reina
Arbeloa--Carra--Skrtel--Dossena
Masch--Alonso
-Kuyt
Keane
Riera
Torres

with maybe Aurelio instead of Dossena and Agger instead of Carra (with carra at RB)

Sounds about right I think that RB may play Babel and put A-L-B-E-R-T on the bench

ntlbell · 08-09-2008 5:16pm

Des wrote: »

No, he clearly stated that he'd like to see a player carried off.

He wants to see a player injured.

That is sick.

**** sake des quote your poster in the OP to stop further confusion :P

dfx- · 08-09-2008 5:43pm

missingtime wrote: »

Does it count if its gary neville though?

No.

I'd wish Glen Crowe was given a permanent restraining order to keep him from scoring against Rovers* but not want him injured.

*Probably still wouldn't stop him

Smegball · 08-09-2008 5:59pm

What you lads reckon, will Berbatov start?

Dave! · 08-09-2008 6:02pm

I don't see why not... I'd say Ferguson is dying to see him out there. He may not be 100% match fit, but he's not carrying any injuries that I know of.

Maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part, cos I'm dying to see him play

jaykay74 · 08-09-2008 6:29pm

Smegball wrote: »

What you lads reckon, will Berbatov start?

I think he will start on the bench. think he is away with Bulgaria so won't had too many training sessions with the lads if any before Saturday.

jesus_thats_gre · 08-09-2008 6:40pm

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Is it just me or has anyone else noticed this trend over the past seasons? Players who rarely score for Man U always seem to have their day in the sunshine against Liverpool. Add Forlan to the list too.:pac:

As I was saying in another thread - I really do hope that Fletcher isn't fit..

jesus_thats_gre · 08-09-2008 6:47pm

kida wrote: »

Who have pool got that will play in both internationals? Mr Cautious doesn't usually play them the following week?

I don't think he will have a choice. As much as I wouldn't be surprised to see some logic defying line up, I reckon he will go for the strongest possible lineup.

Handsome Bob · 08-09-2008 6:49pm

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

As I was saying in another thread - I really do hope that Fletcher isn't fit..

*LZ's Novelty odds for who's going to be the player to have his day in the sunshine against Liverpool- LZ is not affiliated with any bookmaker*:pac:

Fletcher 3/1
Carrick 3/1
Ferdinand 4/1
Evra 5/1
Brown 7/1
Vidic 9/1
Neville 16/1 *
Evans 20/1

*I will be blubbering if this happens. I can see Vidic as good value.:pac:

jesus_thats_gre · 08-09-2008 6:51pm

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Starting lineup for pool, im gonna go with;
Reina
Arbeloa--Carra--Skrtel--Dossena
Masch--Alonso
-Kuyt
Keane
Riera
Torres

with maybe Aurelio instead of Dossena and Agger instead of Carra (with carra at RB)

Any of the above will do

It is situations like this where I am glad that we signed Keane. He will provide sufficient cover for Gerard.

Tusky · 08-09-2008 7:33pm

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Any of the above will do

It is situations like this where I am glad that we signed Keane. He will provide sufficient cover for Gerard.

In theory. He hasnt scored yet though...

gixerfixer · 08-09-2008 7:37pm

liverpool to win 1-0. Keane 90th minute.

Necronomicon · 08-09-2008 7:39pm

Looks like both teams got a bit lucky with suspensions. Mascherano and Tevez are both suspended for Argentina and returned early. They would've been playing thursday, surely would've missed saturday.

Think I'm going to make a United defender my FF captain

Smegball · 08-09-2008 8:09pm

Mite stick on a crafty bet for Fletcher to score winner

pesireland · 08-09-2008 8:13pm

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Any of the above will do

It is situations like this where I am glad that we signed Keane. He will provide sufficient cover for Gerard.

Gerrard > Keane

Smegball · 08-09-2008 8:18pm

Anderson > Gerrard

pesireland · 08-09-2008 8:21pm

Smegball wrote: »

Anderson > Gerrard

HAHA Yeah right mate, although he did play fantastic the last day.

Dont be at yourself · 08-09-2008 8:25pm

This really is a huge game for Liverpool's season, and for Rafa's tenure. A win would do great things for the spirit in the camp and hopefully set down a marker for the rest of the season.

There are doubts over both Torres and Gerrard, and they'll obviously be huge losses. In Robbie Keane, we have a player who can cover either position, but it would be ideal to have both fully fit.

I agree with a previous poster that said we may see Carra at right-back. Rafa was inclined to play him there during crunch games last year, and as Arbeloa has been away with the Spain squad, I'd just about give Carra the edge.

I would not be at all surprised to see Rafa start Riera. He's not afraid to give players baptisms of fire on their debut (Arbeloa vs. Barca), and he may look to exploit Man Utd's weaker right-side.

My fantasy rafa:

Reina
Carra-Skrtl-Agger-Aurelio
----Macherano-Alonso
----Kuyt-Keane-Reira

Torres

Something of a 4-4-2/4-2-3-1 with Kuyt and Riera drifting wide and Keane pushing up. If Gerrard is fit, I expect him to slot in for Alonso. Possibly Babel in for Riera too. It's Rafa, who knows?

Wreck · 08-09-2008 8:25pm

United to win, Berbatov to score, at least one sending off. Hopefully it'll be a cracking game to really kick off the season.

SantryRed · 08-09-2008 8:44pm

This will be one truly sh1t game.

United to win one nil. Score early and just kill the game.

For entertainment in this fixture for once, maybe they can both play fast flowing football and it'll be 4-3 or something. Seriously doubt it'll happen though.

PHB · 08-09-2008 11:32pm

I'm not entirely sure whether Berbatov is likely to start. Depends on how Fergie sees him.

As always, away at Anfield, Fergie will try to out negative football Rafa. In the past, he's done very well at it. Most of our victories have been 1-0 in tight tight games where we didn't give Liverpool many chances and took our one chance. Personally though, if Gerrard and Torres are out, United should have in reality no trouble at the back if they play well.

Big game for Liverpool imo, way bigger than for United. If they win they jump 3 points ahead of United, maintain their lead over Arsenal, with Chelsea to play United the following week. If they can win, there's a good chance they could be top after 5 games, which would be a great achievement which can be pushed on from.

niallk · 09-09-2008 12:19am

PHB wrote: »

I'm not entirely sure whether Berbatov is likely to start. Depends on how Fergie sees him.

As always, away at Anfield, Fergie will try to out negative football Rafa. In the past, he's done very well at it. Most of our victories have been 1-0 in tight tight games where we didn't give Liverpool many chances and took our one chance. Personally though, if Gerrard and Torres are out, United should have in reality no trouble at the back if they play well.

Big game for Liverpool imo, way bigger than for United. If they win they jump 3 points ahead of United, maintain their lead over Arsenal, with Chelsea to play United the following week. If they can win, there's a good chance they could be top after 5 games, which would be a great achievement which can be pushed on from.

LOL though the grammar is not quite correct. Maybe you should have hyphenated the three words. Anyway, United to win comfortably IMO esp if Gerrard and Torres are both out.

I'm pretty sure Fergie will start with all three strikers and hope for some of that immediate telepathic gelling, not unlikely giving the 3 players' extraordinary talents and football brains. Like others I anticipate a 4-2-3-1 with no wingers just attcking fullbacks supported by Tevez/Rooney/Anderson. I think Fletcher will be rewarded for recent form with a place in midfield with Scholes:

VDS

Brown--Ferdinand--Vidic--Evra
----Fletcher----Scholes

--Tevez--Rooney--Anderson--

Smokatov

Tom65 · 09-09-2008 1:35am

niallk wrote: »

LOL though the grammar is not quite correct. Maybe you should have hyphenated the three words. Anyway, United to win comfortably IMO esp if Gerrard and Torres are both out.

I'm pretty sure Fergie will start with all three strikers and hope for some of that immediate telepathic gelling, not unlikely giving the 3 players' extraordinary talents and football brains. Like others I anticipate a 4-2-3-1 with no wingers just attcking fullbacks supported by Tevez/Rooney/Anderson. I think Fletcher will be rewarded for recent form with a place in midfield with Scholes:
VDS
Brown--Ferdinand--Vidic--Evra
----Fletcher----Scholes
--Tevez--Rooney--Anderson--
Smokatov

That's an interesting team. Personally, I'd rather have Anderson partner Scholes in midfield. He's more tough-tackling, and willing to get involved in the nitty gritty of a game than Fletcher. Then stick Nani/Park (are either of them available?) supporting Berbie.

bUILDERtHEbOB · 09-09-2008 2:44am

Is Carrick out as well?

jesus_thats_gre · 09-09-2008 3:05am

niallk wrote: »

VDS
Brown--Ferdinand--Vidic--Evra
----Fletcher----Scholes
--Tevez--Rooney--Anderson--
Smokatov

IIRC, the last time United played such an attacking team was during the Munich memorial when AF got carried away and seemed to want to beat City 20 nil. Didn't work out too well..

niallk · 09-09-2008 3:20am

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

IIRC, the last time United played such an attacking team was during the Munich memorial when AF got carried away and seemed to want to beat City 20 nil. Didn't work out too well..

They played this formation two weeks ago against Portsmouth actually with Rooney on top, Fletcher further up and John O'Shea as a holding Mid with Scholes. I think it worked pretty well as Tevez was very effective at supporting the full backs in attack as did Fletcher. It's not as attacking a formation as it may appear as Anderson would be tracking back as would Tevez to a certain degree.

Against Portsmouth (especially in the first half) there was great fluidity with the front four interchanging. I think this formation with Berba spearheading it would be effective and great to watch. My mouth is watering at the prospect and I think there's a very good chance this could be the future with Ronaldo taking Anderson's place in the front 4.

Handsome Bob · 09-09-2008 9:03am

Pellegrino wary of Tevez threat

Liverpool's first-team coach Mauricio Pellegrino believes countryman Carlos Tevez will be Manchester United's danger man in Saturday's clash.

Pellegrino reckons the Argentinian forward will be a more prominent figure in the absence of Cristiano Ronaldo.

He told Liverpool's official website: "Cristiano is an important player but it won't make a massive difference to them because they have a lot of good players.

"Carlos is a good player. He is very strong and a fighter. He fights until the end of every game.

"The key in these games is to score goals and play better than them! I think we are ready to do a strong job against them, and we are ready to beat them. I have a lot of confidence in the players."

___________________________________________________

Good ol' Pellegrino, short and to the point!:pac:

gixerfixer · 09-09-2008 9:30am

Liverpool to win 1-0. This game will be the usual rubbish. Biggest game in club football? Yeah right. I cant honestly remember one good or even average game between these two the last few years.The standard is always low and the big name players always go missing. Im actually hoping gerrard doesnt make the starting eleven for this one as he always goes missing for this fixture anyways.

Handsome Bob · 09-09-2008 10:29am

According to a rag that shall remain nameless, Ferguson has taken an indirect dig at Liverpool and Robbie Keane.

When asked if any pre-season transfers impressed him, Fergie said: “The big surprise was Liverpool paying £20million for Keane.”

Not surprised that Ferguson is trying to get inside Keane's head, considering how he showed Man U the damage he could do in the FA Cup last season. C'mon Robbie, show Fergie what you're made of on Saturday!

*note I did not buy this rag, got it online from papertalk on Teamtalk.*

Mitch Connor · 09-09-2008 10:31am

LZ5by5 wrote: »

According to a rag that shall remain nameless, Ferguson has taken an indirect dig at Liverpool and Robbie Keane.

When asked if any pre-season transfers impressed him, Fergie said: “The big surprise was Liverpool paying £20million for Keane.”

Not surprised that Ferguson is trying to get inside Keane's head, considering how he showed Man U the damage he could do in the FA Cup last season. C'mon Robbie, show Fergie what you're made of on Saturday!

*note I did not buy this rag, got it online from papertalk on Teamtalk.*

could you explain your comment regarding the FA Cup? I'm lost on that one.

Handsome Bob · 09-09-2008 10:32am

Tauren wrote: »

could you explain your comment regarding the FA Cup? I'm lost on that one.

I thought he played well against Man U last season in the FA Cup even though Spurs lost 3-1.

Mitch Connor · 09-09-2008 10:36am

Oh right - fair enough. Forgot we had even played spurs in the FA Cup.

Handsome Bob · 09-09-2008 10:39am

Tauren wrote: »

Oh right - fair enough. Forgot we had even played spurs in the FA Cup.

I don't think Spurs fans can forget it, Dawson at his most calamitous.:pac:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/fa_cup/7197729.stm

Mr Alan · 09-09-2008 10:41am

Keane for £20m is a hell of a lot better value than Berbatov for £30.75m!

Mitch Connor · 09-09-2008 10:43am

Mr Alan wrote: »

Keane for £20m is a hell of a lot better value than Berbatov for £30.75m!

Utter Rubbish! (:D)

I disagree - both are way over priced, but i would still say Berbatov is worth more than Keane, he is a better player. I know which one i'd prefer playing for Ireland.

Pighead · 09-09-2008 10:46am

Mr Alan wrote: »

Keane for £20m is a hell of a lot better value than Berbatov for £30.75m!

Do you think Robbie Keane will outscore Berbatov this season?

Mr Alan · 09-09-2008 10:52am

I think he'll be pretty close...as he has been for the last 3 years. there is no way there is 10m between the two of em, a couple of million MAYBE, but if you had of given me the choice of Keane (at 20m) or Berba(at 31m) at the start of the summer, i know which i would have chosen.

Match Thread: Liverpool V Manchester United [All Pre/During/Post Match Discussion]

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