Match Thread: Liverpool V Manchester United [All Pre/During/Post Match Discussion]

Handsome Bob · 09-09-2008 8:33pm

I'm expecting a big, big game from Mascherano. I trust him when he says he has learnt from Old Trafford last season (it was from interview with newstalk).

PHB · 09-09-2008 8:36pm

I'd imagine he won't get sent off if thats what you're saying. Otherwise, he'll be his usual excellent self. Since Ronaldo isn't as good, its going to be even tougher to get through the middle with Mascherano in there. Berbatov will need to win his battles with the Liverpool CBs.

Pighead · 09-09-2008 8:40pm

It really is amazing how well Utd have done (result wise) against Liverpool over the past few years. Out of the last 12 league games played between the sides Man Utd have won 10, drew 1 and lost 1

Unreal, and that includes 5 wins and a draw in the last 6 matches at Anfield. For such a fierce rivalry thats some record for United.

Handsome Bob · 09-09-2008 8:44pm

PHB wrote: »

I'd imagine he won't get sent off if thats what you're saying. Otherwise, he'll be his usual excellent self. Since Ronaldo isn't as good, its going to be even tougher to get through the middle with Mascherano in there. Berbatov will need to win his battles with the Liverpool CBs.

In a volatile game like this, if he hasn't learned, I fear he'll be at risk. Especially if he gets a yellow early (like he did at Old Trafford).

The defence was run ragged by Berbatov and Keane in the 2-2 draw at Anfield last season. However with Skrtel in instead of Hyypia I am encouraged.

PHB · 09-09-2008 8:53pm

Pighead wrote: »

It really is amazing how well Utd have done (result wise) against Liverpool over the past few years. Out of the last 12 league games played between the sides Man Utd have won 10, drew 1 and lost 1

Unreal, and that includes 5 wins and a draw in the last 6 matches at Anfield. For such a fierce rivalry thats some record for United.

Fergie has the better of Rafa tactically. That statement is so ludicrous for somebody like Fergie, who never has the better of anyone tactically. But he has it of Rafa. The amount of times we've beaten them in tactical victories of those 12 is just silly.

I'm hoping for a slightly more open game though, but without Torres and Gerrard, I can't see it.

Harpy · 09-09-2008 9:11pm

Mr Alan wrote: »

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as for stolen melodies, the get a job,gerrard one,tevez/o shea to the melody of the torres/st john tune,won it two times to the snoop john b tune....as i said, the only thing sadder than the lack of originality, is the obsession with us

actually i can remember the o'shea one being sang before ye even signed torres..
and i also think for the gerrard one seen as we're singing about yer player it makes it more annoying to the opposition supporters to sing a song to a tune they usually use..

on the match..i think we should win if torres and gerard are missing we should win, torres gone is going to make a big difference because he is such a huge threat..
i'd love to see berbatov start but i don't think he will but hopefully we'll see him at somestage throughout the match

leninbenjamin · 09-09-2008 9:17pm

Apologies, i'm sure it's been mentioned already, but is Hargreaves available for this match or has that knee injury still kept him sidelined?

ibh · 09-09-2008 9:40pm

Harpy wrote: »

actually i can remember the o'shea one being sang before ye even signed torres..

I think that one was adapted from an old Liverpool one from years ago hence Mr Alan referencing St John. As in Ian St John from the Pool team of the 60's.

lordgoat · 09-09-2008 10:16pm

Stolen songs- Boo frickin Hoo. Awww try not to whinge anymore about it. I'd be more concerned at losing more points to man u than songs.

CyberWaste · 09-09-2008 10:50pm

Id love nothing more than Keano to score early on, 'pool defend for most of the match, with passes going to berbatov, that arnt on a six pence, and berbatov starts throwing a hissy fit. And Liverpool win 1-0. Oh how id love that....:p

Dave! · 09-09-2008 11:10pm

Keep dreaming

Keane's not gonna score this season

RasTa · 10-09-2008 1:54am

Melion wrote: »

Obsessed much?

If its such a highlight why dont you go over for the weekend anyway?

Going to Stockholm to ogle Swedish ladies instead.

Xavi6 · 10-09-2008 2:21am

RasTa wrote: »

Going to Stockholm to ogle Swedish ladies instead.

If you don't bring us back pics then it never happened

ITT-Pat · 10-09-2008 2:54am

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

4-1 to United. Berbatov hat trick, Vidic and Keane with the others.

There is no way Vidic is gonna score an OG

hussey · 10-09-2008 3:38am

PHB wrote: »

but without Torres and Gerrard, I can't see it.

Is anyone else really doubtful that these two will not be fit?
I reckon one of them will start

Smegball · 10-09-2008 3:46am

hussey wrote: »

Is anyone else really doubtful that these two will not be fit?
I reckon one of them will start

Torres will def start me thinks

The Rooster · 10-09-2008 8:28am

hussey wrote: »

Is anyone else really doubtful that these two will not be fit?
I reckon one of them will start

Official word all along has been that while there is doubt surrounding both, they are hopeful over Torres, but less hopeful over Gerrard (and he has told the media that he doesnt think he'll be ready).

If Torres and Gerrard are both fit enough to start, then I'd pretty confident in predicting that Keane will be on the bench.

RasTa · 10-09-2008 11:08am

Xavi6 wrote: »

If you don't bring us back pics then it never happened

I'll try, I'm sure they have some sort of beautiful peoples club's over there.

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ITT-Pat · 10-09-2008 1:41pm

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Boggles · 10-09-2008 1:50pm

CyberWaste wrote: »

'pool defend for most of the match,

You'll get that part of your wish I'd say.

herbieflowers · 10-09-2008 1:56pm

Utd should win, but you never know with these matches. Could be a moment of lunacy or a dodgy decision that decides it. That said, if Liverpool are without Gerrard or Torres I can't see them scoring. United, on the other hand, have matchwinners all over the pitch. But, as I said, it's one of these matches...

Nalz · 10-09-2008 2:03pm

First time I fancy United in 4 years at Anfield so they'll probably lose!

Mr Alan · 10-09-2008 2:28pm

i was thinking the same, first time i dont fancy our chances in quite a while so we'll probably win

Cyrus · 10-09-2008 2:28pm

herbieflowers wrote: »

Utd should win, but you never know with these matches. Could be a moment of lunacy or a dodgy decision that decides it. That said, if Liverpool are without Gerrard or Torres I can't see them scoring. United, on the other hand, have matchwinners all over the pitch. But, as I said, it's one of these matches...

well in keane we have a ready made replacement for whoever of torres or gerrard doesnt play

and i dont think on current form that united have 'match winners' all over the park!

herbieflowers · 10-09-2008 3:00pm

Cyrus wrote: »

well in keane we have a ready made replacement for whoever of torres or gerrard doesnt play

and i dont think on current form that united have 'match winners' all over the park!

ah they do

it'll probably be a borefest, and it'll test Liverpool's title credentials, too. Wonder what the odds on JOSH popping up to score an injury-time winner are?

jesus_thats_gre · 10-09-2008 4:31pm

RasTa wrote: »

I'll try, I'm sure they have some sort of beautiful peoples club's over there.

Was over in Stockholm and Copenhagen two weeks ago myself.. The ladies are off the ****ing chain!

Handsome Bob · 10-09-2008 4:40pm

herbieflowers wrote: »

ah they do

it'll probably be a borefest, and it'll test Liverpool's title credentials, too. Wonder what the odds on JOSH popping up to score an injury-time winner are?

:rolleyes::p

Robbie Keane has to be a contender for quote of the week. "I'm surprised John O' Shea doesn't play for Man U every week." Ha ha, good one Robbie!:D

jaykay74 · 10-09-2008 4:44pm

LZ5by5 wrote: »

:rolleyes::p

Robbie Keane has to be a contender for quote of the week. "I'm surprised John O' Shea doesn't play for Man U every week." Ha ha, good one Robbie!:D

Are you sure he didn't say "I'm disappointed John O' Shea doesn't play for Man Utd every week". Saying that he did alright for Ireland the other night, i.e. didn't fcuk up overly much.

slingerz · 10-09-2008 4:46pm

LZ5by5 wrote: »

:rolleyes::p

Robbie Keane has to be a contender for quote of the week. "I'm surprised John O' Shea doesn't play for Man U every week." Ha ha, good one Robbie!:D

to was a response to fergie saying he wasnt worth £20m

Handsome Bob · 10-09-2008 4:52pm

jaykay74 wrote: »

Are you sure he didn't say "I'm disappointed John O' Shea doesn't play for Man Utd every week". Saying that he did alright for Ireland the other night, i.e. didn't fcuk up overly much.

"I'm very surprised John O'Shea doesn't play for United every week," said Keane. "

http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,1776_4125903,00.html

He's not quite at the levels of McShane in terms of calamity, but he can be a mistake waiting to happen. Every team has one, Hyypia is ours.

The Rooster · 11-09-2008 9:20am

Okay, apart from "home" (for want of a better word) internationals what players from ManU and Pool were involved in internationals yesterday:

Hyypia Finland - 90 minutes
Agger Denmark - 90 minutes
Skrtel Slovakia - 90 minutes
Dossena Italy - 90 minutes
Benayoun Israel - 90 minutes

Lucas Brazil - 60 minutes
Kuyt Holland - last 20 minutes
Alonso Spain - last 35 minutes

Reina and Babel were unused subs. Riera and Arbeloa were not in the Spanish squad, Mascherano was suspended.

Vidic Serbia - 90 minutes
Nani Portugal - 88 minutes plus a goal

Evra had played the 90 for France at the weekend, but was dropped in favour of Clichy yesterday and remained an unused sub.
Berbatov played 90 minutes for Bulgaria at the weekend, which should be a big boost to his fitness, but they had no midweek game.
Tevez was suspended and Anderson was not part of the Brazil squad (injured, not picked, suspended???)

Mitch Connor · 11-09-2008 9:39am

The Rooster wrote: »

Okay, apart from "home" (for want of a better word) internationals what players from ManU and Pool were involved in internationals yesterday:

Hyypia Finland - 90 minutes
Agger Denmark - 90 minutes
Skrtel Slovakia - 90 minutes
Dossena Italy - 90 minutes
Benayoun Israel - 90 minutes

Lucas Brazil - 60 minutes
Kuyt Holland - last 20 minutes
Alonso Spain - last 35 minutes

Reina and Babel were unused subs. Riera and Arbeloa were not in the Spanish squad, Mascherano was suspended.

Vidic Serbia - 90 minutes
Nani Portugal - 88 minutes plus a goal

Evra had played the 90 for France at the weekend, but was dropped in favour of Clichy yesterday and remained an unused sub.
Berbatov played 90 minutes for Bulgaria at the weekend, which should be a big boost to his fitness, but they had no midweek game.
Tevez was suspended and Anderson was not part of the Brazil squad (injured, not picked, suspended???)

Anderson was withdrawn from the squad because of an injury, but there hasn't been any word on what the injury actually was, or if he will be out/fit for the game on saturday.

ROCKMAN · 11-09-2008 9:56am

Cyrus wrote: »

well in keane we have a ready made replacement for whoever of torres or gerrard doesnt play

and i dont think on current form that united have 'match winners' all over the park!

To name a few

Nani just scored on international break
Rooney best game for England in a while, One goal and an assist,
Throw in the goal machine that is Fletcher OR the goal poacher that make Liverpool shiver John O Shea

OH have I mentioned Tevez ,Berbatov , Scholes or even Giggs

kida · 11-09-2008 10:44am

Or Ferdinand

Ruskie4Rent · 11-09-2008 1:33pm

ROCKMAN wrote: »

Rooney best game for England in a while, One goal and an assist,
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One goal ant Two assists.

Boggles · 11-09-2008 1:51pm

Ruskie4Rent wrote: »

One goal ant Two assists.

Indeed, he was involved in all 4 goals. Masterclass for Rooney, would like to see it more often.

Mr Alan · 11-09-2008 1:56pm

I think Rooney is the most over rated player around. decent game last night though.

Find it hilarious this "Utd have more match winners" ****e, surely the last few years show match winners mean **** all in these games with people like Silvestre,Brown,O'Shea providing the goals?!

Boggles · 11-09-2008 1:58pm

Mr Alan wrote: »

I think Rooney is the most over rated player around. decent game last night though.

Find it hilarious this "Utd have more match winners" ****e, surely the last few years show match winners mean **** all in these games with people like Silvestre,Brown,O'Shea providing the goals?!

Well United have won the matches, so I guess they have more match winners.

Waster · 11-09-2008 2:17pm

I'm flying to the south of France on Sat and hope to catch the end of the match in a bar in Biarritz. Anybody know of a good one? Same for San Sebastian.

Unearthly · 11-09-2008 2:25pm

Man Utd win, can't see Liverpool scoring, and Man Utd have a more goal threat

Mitch Connor · 11-09-2008 2:27pm

Mr Alan wrote: »

I think Rooney is the most over rated player around. decent game last night though.

Again, it is well documented that loads of people have been disappointed with him over the last two seasons, so how is he the most over-rated player around. If people were saying he has been world class over the last two years then yeah, but they haven't. People have said they feel he has an amazing selflessness on the pitch and that his workrate and determination are fantastic, but well, thats all true.

Mr Magnolia · 11-09-2008 2:32pm

Folks, what did Fergie say about Keane earlier in the week? One of the RTE panel alluded to it last night.

Mr Alan · 11-09-2008 2:37pm

said he was suprised 20m was paid for him.

Tauren, you are living under a stone if you dont think Rooney has been praised like made the last 2 years, he is recorded by most Utd fans and pundits as one of the top strikers in the world. nowhere near imo.

when he came on the scene i thought he would be, but thus far he has failed to deliver on his amazing potential over the last couple of seasons.

we agree with eachother so it aint an issue, but loads of people, incl boardsies here disagree with us both

Mitch Connor · 11-09-2008 2:38pm

Mr Magnolia wrote: »

Folks, what did Fergie say about Keane earlier in the week? One of the RTE panel alluded to it last night.

can't find the exact quote, but when he was asked if he was surprised by any transfer business this summer, he said he was surprised at Liverpool paying 20millioin for Keane.

Boggles · 11-09-2008 2:40pm

Mr Alan wrote: »

when he came on the scene i thought he would be, but thus far he has failed to deliver on his amazing potential over the last couple of seasons.

Yeah is has certainly failed the last 2 seasons with him winning 2 Premier leagues and a champions league medal, not to mention United never looking the same when he doesn't play.

Bloody underachieving 22 year old. :rolleyes:

Mitch Connor · 11-09-2008 2:42pm

Mr Alan wrote: »

Tauren, you are living under a stone if you dont think Rooney has been praised like made the last 2 years, he is recorded by most Utd fans and pundits as one of the top strikers in the world. nowhere near imo.

Really? I haven't seen that to be honest. United fans do praise him, cause despite his poorness in front of goal he is very important to United. Without him in the team we don't look as cohesive going forward, he makes us tick. But top striker? Nah - sure why would we have been crying out for a striker if that was the case? United fans see him as a very important player for us, but not for his striking abilities.

Mr Magnolia · 11-09-2008 2:44pm

Thanks folks.

I would have also said Rooney has underperformed in the last 2 seasons, if only by his own standards.

Mitch Connor · 11-09-2008 2:45pm

Boggles wrote: »

Yeah is has certainly failed the last 2 seasons with him winning 2 Premier leagues and a champions league medal, not 2 mention United neverly looking the same when he doesn't play.

Bloody underachieving 22 year old. :rolleyes:

Traore has a CL medal - does that mean he has performed brilliantly?

Jeez Boggles - Rooney is important to us, but does that mean he is a fantastic striker? No - cause he doesn't score enough. Has he improved much in scoring goals over the last few years, no, cause he doesn't score enough. His play making abilites are great and important to United - we don't look the same without him - but I don't think there'll be many people who would say he has progressed as they imagined he would. Hell, even Fergie himself has said Rooney has not progressed as he would have liked, but blame himself for playing him out of position.

Mr Alan · 11-09-2008 2:45pm

Tauren wrote: »

Really? I haven't seen that to be honest. United fans do praise him, cause despite his poorness in front of goal he is very important to United. Without him in the team we don't look as cohesive going forward, he makes us tick. But top striker? Nah - sure why would we have been crying out for a striker if that was the case? United fans see him as a very important player for us, but not for his striking abilities.

exactly, i get that.

he's your Dirk Kuyt

Mitch Connor · 11-09-2008 2:46pm

Mr Alan wrote: »

exactly, i get that.

he's your Dirk Kuyt

Blatant trolling. Reporting that.

:mad:

Match Thread: Liverpool V Manchester United [All Pre/During/Post Match Discussion]

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