warning people of checkpoints???!

javaboy

javaboy wrote: »

So the speed traps are working obviously! :pac:

I'd still warn people though, if a particular section of road has a proven high "speed related" accident rate, then warning them to slow down reduces their risk of crashing (& getting a ticket).

belltinker

I know a guy who flashed cars oncoming to warn them! Unfortunatley for him, there was unmarked car coming in opposite direction, they proceeded to pull him over- breathalise him, check his tax, insurance, tread dept in his tyre's, all lights working properly and gave him a bollocking for what he did!

I used to flash becuase thought twas an act of kindness, but alas not anymore!!

Schism

Schism wrote: »

I wasn't going overly fast but I would have been over the limit by about 10mph so he saved me some points. It's a random act of kindness.

It's that attitude that has the road deaths as high as they are: "Ah sure it's only 10mph over the limit...." It's akin to saying "ah sure it's only an extra pint or two..."

Forky wrote: »

Everyone should flash. End of.

Great point, well made. :rolleyes:

Now.......Why?

newballsplease wrote: »

some of the speed limts are a joke tho, if i was to stick to some speed limits in certain areas(i mean tractor slow), it would cause more accicdents because more people would be attempting dangerous overtaking manovers.

But if everybody stuck to the limit, there wouldn't be any dangerous overtaking procedures. Your argument is flawed. Regarding the "... speed limts are a joke tho..." comment, see below.

Quazzie2002 wrote:

The speed limits and taxation on cars is a joke in this country.

In both your and newballs' opinions they are a joke. But that's all they are, opinions. I think the drug laws in this country are antiquated at best and downright draconian at worst, but if i came on here saying that i always tipped off drug dealers etc. there'd be, rightly, uproar.

DundalkDuffman wrote: »

It achieves the entire purpose of making people drive more carefully.

Bullsh1t it does. If it did there'd be no need for checkpoints at all. The whole point is to stop people speeding/drunk driving. Not to stop them speeding for 200 yards/evading the checkpoints when drunk.

My brother got a €500 (i think) fine for flashing oncoming traffic after a checkpoint. When he was stopped the guard made a point that has already been made on here. What if he flashed someone, they slowed down, and other driver then sped up and ploughed into a granny or a bus full of kids and was all over the news. How'd he (i.e. you) feel then?

ergonomics

I will never ever warn anyone of a checkpoint or a speedtrap.

Like someone said, what if the car has drugs or guns in it?

What if the driver is drunk?

What if someone/thing has been robbed in the area, or someone murdered, and you warn the person who did it and they don't get caught?

What if you warn someone speeding so they don't get caught and carry on speeding after the checkpoint and knock someone down or crash?

Yeah, karma is really gonna come back to all of ye, but not in the way you're hoping.

mozil

ergonomics wrote: »

What if you warn someone speeding so they don't get caught and carry on speeding after the checkpoint and knock someone down or crash?

What if they dont see you flashing them carry on speeding and still hit someone?

dub_skav

I don't flash drivers to warn them of speed-traps or chrckpoints. I don't speed and I don't think anybody else should either.

I do of course flash to warn of an obstacle/flooding etc

keane2097

Kiera wrote: »

Yeah i flash. I also pretend there's a checkpoint sometimes if a car is going too fast.

Good idea imo.

Quazzie

mozil wrote: »

What if they dont see you flashing them carry on speeding and still hit someone?

What if my aunt had balls would she/he be my uncle?

growler

wouldn't flash to warn of a checkpoint but would do so if I passed a speed trap on a relatively quite / straight stretch of road and saw another (non boy racer) vehicle travelling over the limit.

If garda speed traps were designed to make the roads safer then why do they set them up on roads / at times when travelling at 80mph would not be particularly dangerous? because they do it to make money and have no altruistic reason.

No doubt someone will say you can'f drive safely at over 60mph, but i've driven in the uk and in germany on motorways at much higher speeds and have seen plenty stupid and dangerous driving from idiots crawling along in the outside lane at 40 mph.

So i'll warn fellow drivers when I think I probably be doing the same thing in their position.

keane2097

javaboy wrote: »

On my car's speedo, I have to travel at about 54km/h to be actually breaking a 50km/h speed limit and 127km/h to break a 120km/h limit. Most cars will have a similar margin of error.

How do you figure this out?

mozil

mozil wrote: »

What if they dont see you flashing them carry on speeding and still hit someone?

And this would be the fault of the person who didn't flash? You're either trolling or very very stupid.

keane2097

Deleted User wrote: »

And this would be the fault of the person who didn't flash? You're either trolling or very very stupid.

Nah I think this is a fair retort to the people using the "what if" argument against flashing...

Both flashing AND getting caught by the guards will slow people down, so imo the only difference is the fine and the penalty points.

Flash away imo.

javaboy

keane2097 wrote: »

How do you figure this out?

I checked my speed on a long flat straight road with a couple of Satnav systems. Speedos are legally required to never underestimate speed. So usually manafacturers err on the side of caution and make them overestimate speed. The amount varies from car to car but almost all cars have some margin of error.

daveharnett

ergonomics wrote: »

What if the driver is drunk?

What if someone/thing has been robbed in the area, or someone murdered, and you warn the person who did it and they don't get caught?

What if you warn someone speeding so they don't get caught and carry on speeding after the checkpoint and knock someone down or crash?

What if someone is driving at the limit and strays above it slightly for a moment?
What if somebody has chosen to disregard a nonsensical speed limit?

I wouldn't be inclined to warn the punter driving against me at 200 miles an hour, but I would warn people who were driving normally.

Basically I use my discretion, in case the garda has none.

keane2097

keane2097 wrote: »

Nah I think this is a fair retort to the people using the "what if" argument against flashing...

Both flashing AND getting caught by the guards will slow people down, so imo the only difference is the fine and the penalty points.

Flash away imo.

Sorry, but that's bollocks (mozil's point, not yours). How could you possibly think that somebody getting knocked down near a checkpoint could be the fault of someone who didn't flash the driver who knocked them down?

You're right in saying that both flashing and getting lagged will slow people down but I'd be of the opinion that if someone got lagged for speeding then they'd be a bit more careful, if even for a little while, than they would if they were flashed, slowed down for 200 yds, and then resumed speeding. It would also implant a feeling of "Sure i'll drive at whatever speed i like, if there's a checkpoint, someone'll warn me".

keane2097

javaboy wrote: »

I checked my speed on a long flat straight road with a couple of Satnav systems. Speedos are legally required to never underestimate speed. So usually manafacturers err on the side of caution and make them overestimate speed. The amount varies from car to car but almost all cars have some margin of error.

Know any website or anything where I can get an idea of this??

EDIT: As in by car model or something?

What if someone is driving at the limit and strays above it slightly for a moment? It's been pointed out that there's a 5mph margin of error on the speed guns, so this would negate these people. Also, one could argue that they shouldn't have strayed over it at all, and should have paid more attention.

What if somebody has chosen to disregard a nonsensical speed limit? Tough shit. It's not up to them to decide what makes sense and what doesn't. As I posted up already, I think our drug laws are non-sensical (to a certain degree) but this doesn't give me the right to start selling heroin on O'Connell street or the right to expect everybody to keep sketch while i do it.

I wouldn't be inclined to warn the punter driving against me at 200 miles an hour, but I would warn people who were driving normally. It's not just speeders we're talking about here. Drunks can be seen to drive 'normally', as can wanted criminals etc.

keane2097

Deleted User wrote: »

Sorry, but that's bollocks (mozil's point, not yours). How could you possibly think that somebody getting knocked down near a checkpoint could be the fault of someone who didn't flash the driver who knocked them down?

In fairness I think this point is exactly equal in validity to the argument of "what if you flash someone and they don't get caught and then they hit someone". Essentially, both arguments are equally bollocks rather than both are valid.

Deleted User wrote: »

You're right in saying that both flashing and getting lagged will slow people down but I'd be of the opinion that if someone got lagged for speeding then they'd be a bit more careful, if even for a little while, than they would if they were flashed, slowed down for 200 yds, and then resumed speeding. It would also implant a feeling of "Sure i'll drive at whatever speed i like, if there's a checkpoint, someone'll warn me".

I don't know if I agree with this. I think often times if people gget a lucky escape it shakes them just as much. Also, I've heard people just after passing a speed trap say "Sure we can flake away now anyway cos there won't be another one for miles" loads of times after getting caught.

I'd say the two things probably just about balance one another out so I go ahead and flash. Good karma imo.

Cabaal

few years back someone I know was on their way to Waterford and they went through a checkpoint, after they passed it they flashed a few people to warn them of the checkpoint and then made there way to work.

8 hours later they were on their way home and the checkpoint was still there, they were stopped and told off big time for flashing cars earlier that morning as one of the cars was a unmarked detective unit.

After that the person never warned anyone again, for the same reason I will never do it either

Infact I really enjoyed seeing some muppet being pulled over this morning for doing 110 in a 80 zone,

pickarooney

I was flashed once coming home on my (push) bike to warn me about a police checkpoint handing out fines for missing lights. If you're reading this, thanks mate.

ibh

Deleted User wrote: »

What if someone is driving at the limit and strays above it slightly for a moment? It's been pointed out that there's a 5mph margin of error on the speed guns, so this would negate these people. Also, one could argue that they shouldn't have strayed over it at all, and should have paid more attention.

The margin of error is not on the speed gun but on the speedometer of your car. Couple of % built in as a safety device.

I am surprised that so many people don't use there common sense in relation to the rules of the road. There is very little difference in me driving at 125kmh as opposed to 120kmh.
What about the poor road markings in rural ireland? There is a blind corner close to my house with a broken white line as the road marking. I wouldn't attempt to overtake on it because i have adjudged it to be too dangerous.
If I am to go along with what we are told, i can attempt a passing manoevure if it is safe to do so. How the fcuk can it ever be safe when you can't see ahead.

If you live near the border you won't be long wearing out a headlight switch from flashing neighbours due to the Guards, PSNI or customs being on the road!!!;)

Kernel

Checkpoints aren't all about speed lads. Flashing oncoming drivers may give them time to turn off the road with that boot full of drugs, guns, pensioners belongings, maddie etc.

keane2097

keane2097 wrote: »

In fairness I think this point is exactly equal in validity to the argument of "what if you flash someone and they don't get caught and then they hit someone".

The difference being that if you did flash, they got away with it and then killed someone, you'd directly played a part in it.

keane2097 wrote: »

I don't know if I agree with this. I think often times if people gget a lucky escape it shakes them just as much. Also, I've heard people just after passing a speed trap say "Sure we can flake away now anyway cos there won't be another one for miles" loads of times after getting caught.

We'll have to disagree then on this one. If someone is prone to speeding I'd say they're much more likely to continue doing so after a checkpoint than a) someone who doesn't normally speed and b) someone who normally would speed but has just gotten a few penalty points and a couple of hundred €€€ fine.

The margin of error is not on the speed gun but on the speedometer of your car. Couple of % built in as a safety device.

Sorry, I was getting mixed up with Ponster when he said....

I believe they have a 5km/h leeway on the cameras

javaboy

keane2097 wrote: »

Know any website or anything where I can get an idea of this??

EDIT: As in by car model or something?

Nope I don't know of any site that has stats on it. There are other factors which affect the margin of error too such as wheel diameter, tyre pressures etc. Those factors would vary across individual cars within models so I'd say exact figures would be hard to come by.

SV

Cabaal wrote: »

few years back someone I know was on their way to Waterford and they went through a checkpoint, after they passed it they flashed a few people to warn them of the checkpoint and then made there way to work.

8 hours later they were on their way home and the checkpoint was still there, they were stopped and told off big time for flashing cars earlier that morning as one of the cars was a unmarked detective unit.

After that the person never warned anyone again, for the same reason I will never do it either

Infact I really enjoyed seeing some muppet being pulled over this morning for doing 110 in a 80 zone,

8 hour checkpoint?

I'm calling b/s.


I don't flash for checkpoints, I flash for speed cameras.
For the simple reason the only places they do speed checks are on long long roads with ridiculously low speed limits on them.
Money making crap.

You can do all the speed checks you want in towns and residential areas and near schools etc and I hope the people who speed in those areas are banned from driving tbh.

smemon

don't flash myself -why would i want to help strangers who break the law

unless there's a flood / crash / cow etc... on the road i won't flash :pac:

keane2097

javaboy wrote: »

Nope I don't know of any site that has stats on it. There are other factors which affect the margin of error too such as wheel diameter, tyre pressures etc. Those factors would vary across individual cars within models so I'd say exact figures would be hard to come by.

Damn :pac:

hexagramer

once the filth of garda is cleaned and regulated,(dickheads who love destroying peoples days IMO) roads properly sorted and PROPER road rules are put in place ill start to really feel right about our stupid 60year old-man made laws.

when or if the day comes that i can take my test at least a week of applying for it then my views of irish laws will be replaced.

and yes...i do flash, but not to 2 d*ickheads in a ford mondeo.

IMO.

jessie11

Laws are set for a reason...

if your speeding you deserve the points..

dont want the points...dont speed..simple:D

StiffLitlemicky

Mossy Monk wrote: »

Personally I hate it and will do that for no one if I see a check point. If there was a crash or something blocking part the road ahead I would flash then.

I reckon that if i seen you coming at me in a car going in the opposite direction, i'd crash straight into you.
Just to put you out of your misery.:pac:


What do you do for fun 'Mossy Monk' apart for writing one sentence replies to almost every thread on these boards?

You need to get your hole away son and have wash and get your hair cut.:pac:

SV

jessie11 wrote: »

Laws are set for a reason...

if your speeding you deserve the points..

dont want the points...dont speed..simple:D

I can see the thought you put into that post.


About on par with saying "I hate George Bush"

Kernel

hexagramer wrote: »

once the filth of garda is cleaned and regulated,(dickheads who love destroying peoples days IMO) roads properly sorted and PROPER road rules are put in place ill start to really feel right about our stupid 60year old-man made laws.

when or if the day comes that i can take my test at least a week of applying for it then my views of irish laws will be replaced.

and yes...i do flash, but not to 2 d*ickheads in a ford mondeo.

IMO.

You have issues brother! :pac:

fredzer

Maybe there should be different types of flashing...
1 flash for the filth.
2 flashes for a flood ... quite common these days!
3 flashes for a cow or other farm type animal.
4 or more flashes for Amanda Brunker!

brendansmith

fredzer wrote: »

Maybe there should be different types of flashing...
1 flash for the filth.

The filth! come on!

Warning dangerous drivers of speed traps is totally irresponsible imho.

Let them take their scald!

Sherifu

Don't flash.

hexagramer

Kernel wrote: »

You have issues brother! :pac:

ill always be a flasher

hexagramer

hexagramer wrote: »

ill always be a flasher

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