RTE 1 Tonight - Customs and VRT

furtzy

steve06 wrote: »

that it's up to the driver to declare it, not the nosy neighbour!

Look we all pay into a big pot and this pot goes to revenue be it VRT, PAYE or VAT etc. Do you think its fair that someone who doesn't pay their fare share in this case VRT to get the benefits of what this big pot of money is spent on i.e road infrastructure etc?

Compare it to a lotto syndicate where the guy who doesn't pay puts his hand out for a share of the winnings.....surely you wouldn't like to see him get his share

smash

furtzy wrote: »

Look we all pay into a big pot and this pot goes to revenue be it VRT, PAYE or VAT etc. Do you think its fair that someone who doesn't pay their fare share in this case VRT to get the benefits of what this big pot of money is spent on i.e road infrastructure etc?

Compare it to a lotto syndicate where the guy who doesn't pay puts his hand out for a share of the winnings.....surely you wouldn't like to see him get his share

look, my whole point is that it's begrudgery - someone's getting away with something and because it doesn't suite a nosy neighbour they'll rat him in!

yet if like my previous post, the nosy neighbour get's offered a deal that suits him - he'll take it. Guaranteed they wouldn't call the revenue and say "I just paid a builder in cash - make sure he pays tax on it so he's contributing to the big pot"

Victor_M

steve06 wrote: »

that it's up to the driver to declare it, not the nosy neighbour!

I wouldn't deal with any builder that may not be accountable for the work he is doing, so I'll check he's insured and registered first. Can't do that with cars unfortunately.

2 Friends of mine have had their cars totalled by non insured, non taxed, non vrt'd drivers (Eastern European) they we on both occasions very lucky not to have been killed. Drivers did a runner on both occasions, one was caught but he moved from the rental address he provided by the time the guards caught up with him.

If I report a car and they are above board, no harm done, I'm not prepared to find out the hard way that the lad up the road who forgot to pay his tax also forgot to pay his insurance, and as Diffin' Dan to dipsh!te so eloquently put it earlier, he shares the same well thought out views as yourself BTW, these drivers are above the law in terms of speed checks and points and can driver as they please.

This and the fact of course that it's unashamed tax dodging.

As I said, I'd love to pick and choose the laws I approve of but can't unfortunately.

L1011

steve06 wrote: »

look, my whole point is that it's begrudgery - someone's getting away with something and because it doesn't suite a nosy neighbour they'll rat him in!

yet if like my previous post, the nosy neighbour get's offered a deal that suits him - he'll take it. Guaranteed they wouldn't call the revenue and say "I just paid a builder in cash - make sure he pays tax on it so he's contributing to the big pot"

Its assumed a tradesman is legitimate. Its quite unlikely that someone you see with a foreign registered car day in day out for a year or more is legitimate.

There is this terrible attitude in Ireland of "ah, let people get away with it, they'll get their comeuppance in the end" or, even worse, applauding those that do defraud the rest of us for getting away with it.

smash

I'm not applauding anyone, I've paid the VRT on my last 3 cars no problem... it just doesn't bother me if someone else doesn't! And I never said "these drivers are above the law in terms of speed checks and points"

mixer101

steve06 wrote: »

I'm not applauding anyone, I've paid the VRT on my last 3 cars no problem... it just doesn't bother me if someone else doesn't! And I never said "these drivers are above the law in terms of speed checks and points"

Fine, Steve06, you've made your point, you've no problem with someone evading the same taxes the rest of us all have to pay, that's your opinion & you're entitled to it....
But the rest of the posters here have their opinion and that is they don't agree with the spongers and evaders. Sure, we all hate paying this tax, we all agree that the roads etc. are in sh!te, but the fact is we live here, we drive cars and we are obliged to pay our VRT, road taxes and insurance.
I would hazard a guess that you would not be a happy bunny if your brother/sister/parents/children were ploughed out of it (and their car written-off ) by one of these untraceable foreign-registered vehicles driven by an uninsured (and no-fixed-abode) [EMAIL="b@stard"]b@stard[/EMAIL] who ran away and left the innocent victims on the roadside not caring if they live or die.....? And that fooker gets away with it, 'cos he nor nobody else ever brought it to the attention of the authorities that here's yet another vehicle on our roads that's badly-maintained and totally 'exempt' from taxes, insurance, toll charges, speeding fines, dangerous driving, penalty points....etc.

If they drive our roads they pay the taxes same as everyone else.

smash

no the thing is that I have a serious issue with someone not having insurance, I have an issue with eastern European cars over here because most ore in bits and they're all LHD and they're never re-registered! but I'm just not bothered about the UK reg thing... I guess in my mind if I see a UK reg car I think 1 of 2 things

1: There's someone over for a stay in Ireland
2: There someone who got himself a bargain, fair play - I'm sure he'll sort out the VRT soon.

I know that VRT is a b!tch to sort out and I had to wait 9 weeks to get the cert of export from the DVLA because they lost the V5, then they sent me the wrong one... so I don't just jump up and say "he hasn't paid" because I know I've had issues and others I know have had the same problems too. But I've always got the insurance sorted out.

L1011

And when you see the same car around every day for a year, do you still assume they'll "sort the VRT out soon"?

smash

I know of someone with a UK reg Merc, I've seen it twice a day for nearly 2 years now and a few months ago this is how a conversation went...

me: "better get the VRT done before the July cut off and they put it up"
them: "Well I don't know anything about that but the garage we bought it from lost the documents"
me: "call the DVLA"
them: "No, it was there mess up... they can deal with it"
me: "been a while though, have you not been stopped"
them: "yea but I just explained the situation and it's insured and everything"
me: "so what are the garage doing about the ownership documents"
them: "I don't know, must call them again actually"

but it's insured so I'm just gonna leave them at it.

L1011

So, he doesn't actually give a ****e about it, and hasn't been paying our road tax for those two years either...

Fyr.Fytr

rocky wrote: »

good program, anyone catch how they knew about the girl with the cigarettes? Was a dog used to sniff those too? or they show up while scanning the luggage?

Risk profiling or a tip off

Victor_M wrote: »

I've been looking at a UK reg'd CL500 for the last 4 years (at least) parked across the road form the Italian restaurant in Castleknock village, not to mention numerous 4.8is X5's and a handful of RR's as well as a couple of cayennes passing through the village on a regular basis.

I'd say the lack of Eastern European cars is down to the construction industry more than compliance IMHO.

Ring and report, no point sitting back and moaning about it

furtzy wrote: »

Enjoyable enough programme but the incident was the "student" in the Mini pissed me off. He should have had the car seized and made pay the full fine. Can't believe they fell for his sob story.

They really need more of these patrols. In my town the number of foreign regs is on the increase. Two in my estate have been on UK plates for 4 years now!

Yup seriously under resourced

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

You could always report it, you know, if it bothers you that much:p

Exactly

listermint wrote: »

Anyone else noticing they had the Dog searching in brand new non registered Land Rovers. Probably just off the boat. They did have plastic seat covers on but the dog was scratching over the centre console plastic. I would be bullling
if i bought that car..

Have to say the lad running into the Glass Automatic Doors in the airport trying to get away was class. Sore head!!:D

Dogs normally wear neoprene boots to protect car interiors, hes a passive drugs dog and shouldt scratch, just sit and stare.

Rowley Birkin QC

ep1k-w1n wrote: »

316i ....diffin her round in circles

Pics or GTFO.

furtzy

Fyr.Fytr wrote: »

Risk profiling or a tip off


Ring and report, no point sitting back and moaning about it


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have tried but got no reply...if you know a number or e-mail I can use that someone actually reads and replies I'd be grateful

minxie

place where i work here in galway has twice been "targeted" by the customs, ie they are waiting at nightshift end in the morning catching people leaving and entering company carpark.
they got 6 vehicles 2 mths ago by doing this, also from what i hear in work that a small percentage of people here are bringing the cars in from the uk, not paying the vrt and selling them on to people working there...
sort of we will do the work by bringing in the cars the rest is up to you.
one car been on the uk reg plates nearly a year now....:rolleyes:

smash

MYOB wrote: »

So, he doesn't actually give a ****e about it, and hasn't been paying our road tax for those two years either...

yea well it seems the cops don't care either.... like I was told, they've been stopped before!

Fyr.Fytr

furtzy wrote: »

Fyr.Fytr wrote: »

Risk profiling or a tip off


Ring and report, no point sitting back and moaning about it


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have tried but got no reply...if you know a number or e-mail I can use that someone actually reads and replies I'd be grateful

Ill do some digging and get back to you

Where you located?

EDIT: Here ya go, you give them all the details you can theyll pass it onto the evasion units

VRT Prosecution Unit
Áras Ailigh,
Bridgend,
Co. Donegal
Ph: 074 9368836
Fax: 074 9368802
vrodoneg@revenue.ie

knuth

I think the programme was nice for a change but it's attempt at scaremongering failed flat on it's face.

Come on.. a student in a Mini Cooper being publicly waivered 50% of a fine, even though he had admitted that he was driving around on it months. Most average folk can't even afford a Mini Cooper.

Still to this day though, I have not seen one Customs vehicle on the Dublin roads.

L1011

lordlame wrote: »

I think the programme was nice for a change but it's attempt at scaremongering failed flat on it's face.

Come on.. a student in a Mini Cooper being publicly waivered 50% of a fine, even though he had admitted that he was driving around on it months. Most average folk can't even afford a Mini Cooper.

Still to this day though, I have not seen one Customs vehicle on the Dublin roads.

Drive on any of the dual carriageways in Dublin at weekends, you'll see plenty over a short period of time. Usually customs cars, garda cars (scooping the same people for other offences) and car transporters.

furtzy

Fyr.Fytr wrote: »

furtzy wrote: »

Ill do some digging and get back to you

Where you located?

EDIT: Here ya go, you give them all the details you can theyll pass it onto the evasion units

VRT Prosecution Unit
Áras Ailigh,
Bridgend,
Co. Donegal
Ph: 074 9368836
Fax: 074 9368802
vrodoneg@revenue.ie

Excellent I will contact them. Theres plenty in my estate that should interest them

Mylow

Customs must spend all there time around Drogheda. They are regularly out in the morning stopping yellow plates only. They have car transporter with them to take away cars. Regular spots for them are Millmount, Brymanstown and Grange Rath. You can always tell when they will be pulling cars, they normally drive around the evening before checking cars on driveways. they then wait at entrance/exit of estates following morning.

G-Money

I was a bit surprised that the student got away with a reduction. It looked like a fairly flashy car for a student.

It was a decent enough program. It was funny yer man running into the glass alright.

knuth

MYOB wrote: »

Drive on any of the dual carriageways in Dublin at weekends, you'll see plenty over a short period of time. Usually customs cars, garda cars (scooping the same people for other offences) and car transporters.

I average about 500 miles a week and have not seen any of this - a radius from O'Connell Street to Blanchardstown, Dundrum, Swords etc.

I think they do more work down the sticks than up here.

L1011

lordlame wrote: »

I average about 500 miles a week and have not seen any of this - a radius from O'Connell Street to Blanchardstown, Dundrum, Swords etc.

I think they do more work down the sticks than up here.

I do about the same, albeit mostly around the country; and I've only ever seen them on the Outer Ring and along the N11 - but I've seen them a few times.

DJ Hafez

I live around the corner from where two of the cars were pulled in Cork and I have never seen them on the road there before, or anywhere in cork really, just the odd time outside industrial estates 'n that

tinofapples

Why aren't the car dealers who specialise in importing UK cars subjected to the 3 day rule as well as everyone else in the country ??

Must say I had the same reaction to most last night when yer man said "I need it for college", jaysus come on you need one of them mini's for college because WHY ?

Robbo

tinofapples wrote: »

Why aren't the car dealers who specialise in importing UK cars subjected to the 3 day rule as well as everyone else in the country ??

Because if they're proper legitimate dealers, they have trade plates and only have to VRT the car when it's sold.

nobodythere

Anyone record this and feel like sharing?

Dave147

galwaytt wrote: »

++ 1 on yanking him for that - a student in Cooper - who's he kidding.

They should have taken the car, though.

My wife's not happy, though........she want's to know why they're not pulling all the foreign reg cars which are clearly here permanently, and thus avoiding VRT in the first place............I won't even start on what she thinks is a major road safety argument for banning them too - left hand drive.

I know a bunch of east european cars here on their LT/LV/RU/CZ/SK plates, and, tbh........it pisses me off. No tax, NCT, no VRT, and lord knows about insurance.....

LT97 - 7 series in Galway for years.
PO TTTT - has appeared on 2 different Audi's in Salthill over a 4 yr period......
And the only thing wrong with the late 90's blue A4 with LT plates......? Oh, nuthin'.........it's just RHD is all...........yeah, right. What I give to see the VIN on that one.........

Does it piss you off that VRT is illegal in the rest of europe? VRT is great isn't it.. What exactly are we paying for by the way? Corrupt ministers to be chauffered around for the year? It's a disgrace, I have an A4 since February and I still haven't cleared it. And of course I am well aware of every repercussion so no high horses please..

ep1k-w1n

MYOB wrote: »

Drive on any of the dual carriageways in Dublin at weekends, you'll see plenty over a short period of time. Usually customs cars, garda cars (scooping the same people for other offences) and car transporters.

ive never seen them, or maybe they just havnt seen me yet.

furtzy wrote: »

Fyr.Fytr wrote: »

Excellent I will contact them. Theres plenty in my estate that should interest them

well i hope it give you a lovely warm feeling to be as low as to rat some one out for such a heinous offence, a a rat of the highest order.

i hope you never get reported for breaking an illegal law, by a jealous begudging busy-body with little else to do but try inform on people so they can feel big and self important.


yeah you guys are so right, what was i thinking not wanting to contribute to all these wonderful roads that havnt been paid for yet.
ill send the cheque to the revenue tomorrow.
actually on second thoughts im actually goin to take a picture of my car and send it to them with a note appended telling them how they have never caught me, and never will get a penny out of me to fund the corrupt inbred network of pieces of filth that pass for politicions(mostly)
and i buy all my fags in a polski skelp.

what does a TD do actually?
they only sense i ever hear talked id from the opposition.
well worth each and every one of the 100,000 thousand euro they so richly deserve.

fúck em and their law*




*read illegal tax contrary to Art 81 of the european constitution, regarding the freedom of movement of goods and retraint of trade.

Fyr.Fytr

lordlame wrote: »

I average about 500 miles a week and have not seen any of this - a radius from O'Connell Street to Blanchardstown, Dundrum, Swords etc.

I think they do more work down the sticks than up here.

ep1k-w1n wrote: »

ive never seen them, or maybe they just havnt seen me yet.

How would you spot a customs vehicle then? They're unmaked bar 3 jeeps, unlike garda cars most have no extra aerials and no "covert" lights to spot

furtzy wrote: »

well i hope it give you a lovely warm feeling to be as low as to rat some one out for such a heinous offence, a a rat of the highest order.

i hope you never get reported for breaking an illegal law, by a jealous begudging busy-body with little else to do but try inform on people so they can feel big and self important.

It gaves me a lovely feeling, similar to that of a warm brandy, on christmas eve beside a roaring log fire

Reporting criminals, low lifes et al is a great hobby.


I obey the law and pay all the taxes im liable for, regardless of wether i like them or not (who likes vat, paye, prsi, excise duty, road tax etc etc??) we have no choice its the LAW!