The New Lansdowne Road

sdanseo

Koloman wrote: »

I think you can argue with that. As Daysha has so eloquently put it, why would you want two stadiums of 70,000 plus in a country as small as ours?

As I have said before Denmark is another country with a similar population to us and it's soccer team play in a ground that holds 40,000 and no more. A 50,000 stadium in Dublin is looking quite spacious when you compare it to Denmark!

The temporary little arrangement of Croke Park has clouded many peoples judgement as to what is realistic for us.

PS; Look at the lovely green seats!

http://www.lrsdc.ie/gallery/singlecategory.asp?PCID=126

Fact of the matter is there has been a bigger turnout than 50,000 at nearly all of the home soccer internationals from my guess (was at all bar Saturday week) - with notable exceptions; Montenegro and Georgia. Can't comment on rugby as I don't follow it as closely.

The new stadium does not meet demand and with the current team getting only stronger demand will be increasing. The FAI also have confirmed that there will be no such thing as general admission any more, with block booking (i.e. you get a ticket if you're in the top 39,000 on the list), 1,000 schoolboy and 10,000 premium seats in the place.

It's an absolute and utter shambles; probably breaking competition law somewhere there too. Absolute bull****.

bk

Koloman wrote: »

As I have said before Denmark is another country with a similar population to us and it's soccer team play in a ground that holds 40,000 and no more. A 50,000 stadium in Dublin is looking quite spacious when you compare it to Denmark!

The temporary little arrangement of Croke Park has clouded many peoples judgement as to what is realistic for us.

Logically I would agree with you, Dublin probably doesn't need two 70,000 seater stadiums.

If both Lansdowne Road and Croker's ownership was transfered to Dublin City Council or a similar independent body and then GAA matches could be played in Lansdowne or Rugby/Soccer played in Croker, depending on the demand for the game, then I would agree with your point.

Unfortunately due to the history involved and pig headedness, this will never happen and therefore Rugby/Soccer really do need a 70,000+ seater stadium of their own.

I'm a Rugby fan who has been really enjoying the matches in Croker, I'll be very unlikely to get tickets for Lansdowne Road, I just don't have the old boy network connections

Kristian_

With all the doom and gloom surrounding the issues with the new stadium,:( and I do agree with many of the points being made here. I for one am still looking forward to seeing the stadium when complete:D. Also I am pleased that finally our national teams will have a home to be proud of;)

ohnoigotsick

bk wrote: »

If both Lansdowne Road and Croker's ownership was transfered to Dublin City Council or a similar independent body and then GAA matches could be played in Lansdowne or Rugby/Soccer played in Croker, depending on the demand for the game, then I would agree with your point.

Why would or should the GAA want to transfer ownership of their ground to Dublin city council or anyone else for that matter?

Setanta_og

I took these shots of Lansdowne Road today it is really coming into shape including two fantastic video screens which are just about the right size to shove up Sepp’s arse
His condescending remarks at the fifa news conference today were regrettable but not surprising coming from a character with his pedigree what an absolute joker his reference to Costa Rica v Uruguay game is a total fabrication to deflect the pressure away from him, his mates and the corrupt association he represents.

The gross wrong that was witnessed by the world in Paris can not be rewritten or diminished in anyway by throwing out a red herring by inventing controversy regarding the Costa Rica v Uruguay game. Unless my eyes are deceiving me the clips on YouTube showing the Uruguay goals in both games show them to be as legit as you can get so what’s story is he spinning here.
The bottom line is his pal Michel Plattini head of uefa and well known Frenchman asked for a favour and got it actually he probably asked for three.
1.A seeded draw for the play off games assuring French prospects
2.Home advantage for the second leg to the top seeded team
3.If the above two didn’t succeed then make sure to have a referee appointed that, no matter how “well respected in the game” he was would if given the opportunity at any time during the game be momentarily struck down by blindness for the benefit of Michele team GET IT!

Check this link out all the answers are there:
http://www.transparencyinsport.org/

bk

ohnoigotsick wrote: »

Why would or should the GAA want to transfer ownership of their ground to Dublin city council or anyone else for that matter?

Well how about the fact that half the redevelopment cost of Croker was paid for by the Irish tax payer?

My believe is based on the idea of the municipal sports grounds, so common throughout Europe. Where many different sports use the same facilities as all sports are considered to be equally important and should be promoted.

Rather then having multiple redundant facilities in every city, town and village, often which lack investment and proper maintenance that we have here, you end up with far better facilities due to them being shared by different sporting bodies.

I'd like to see far more partnership between sporting bodies here in Ireland and the sharing of facilities throughout the country.

ohnoigotsick

bk wrote: »

Well how about the fact that half the redevelopment cost of Croker was paid for by the Irish tax payer?

majority of that money was from the national lottery and not the tax payer.

bk

ohnoigotsick wrote: »

majority of that money was from the national lottery and not the tax payer.

Which comes from where?

The people of Ireland.

ohnoigotsick

bk wrote: »

Which comes from where?

The people of Ireland.

who have a choice to play it or not - not like tax payers and you orginally said.

i'm pretty sure people dont play the lotto to fund croke park or the new lansdowne road - but to win a jackpot

spacetweek

I'm not socialist at all so my attitude is that Croker is privately owned so "hands off". If it's to be brought into public ownership the Gov'll pay the market rate for the facility and there's not a chance in hell of affording that right now.

It is entirely up to the public if they want to gamble on the Lotto - hardly the same as taxpayers in general paying for the stadium.

Carawaystick

bk wrote: »

My believe is based on the idea of the municipal sports grounds, so common throughout Europe. Where many different sports use the same facilities as all sports are considered to be equally important and should be promoted.

Rather then having multiple redundant facilities in every city, town and village, often which lack investment and proper maintenance that we have here, you end up with far better facilities due to them being shared by different sporting bodies.

I'd like to see far more partnership between sporting bodies here in Ireland and the sharing of facilities throughout the country.

I don't know how many association football matches you've seen in Croke Park but the pitch is lost in the middle of a hurling pitch. If you were to take Cork city's ground, I'd imagine it'd fit entirely on the pitch of Páirc Uí Caoimh Which is 90mx147m or so. This is in the third biggest city in Irleand.

Even Windsor park'd nearly fit in Casement.


How many rugby matches should be played on a golf links? especially if the links got some govt funding.

spank_inferno

New pics on the Lrsdc.ie website including a pretty good night shot

Linky

Kristian_

should be major strides in the January pics!:)

spank_inferno

The January arial shots are now available to view here..

Not a huge amount of progress during the holiday month, and the weather probably wouldnt have helped.

I dont know what has to be done but I dont think this project will meet its deadline.

Koloman

It looks like it will be a nice tight ground which will make the atmosphere more electric.

http://www.lrsdc.ie/gallery/singlecategory.asp?PCID=130

Kristian_

Koloman wrote: »

It looks like it will be a nice tight ground which will make the atmosphere more electric.

http://www.lrsdc.ie/gallery/singlecategory.asp?PCID=130

Yeah it's coming along nicely! That big screen is massive at the small end, could be a bit annoying for player's as i'd imagine it would distract.:eek:

Joey Joe-Joe Jr

On the website - won't be long now. :cool:

http://www.lrsdc.ie/gallery/photocategory.asp?PCID=34&NCID=0

Joey Joe-Joe Jr

http://www.lrsdc.ie/gallery/photocategory.asp?PCID=34&NCID=0

Son of Stupido

looking good,

roof struts look strange tho.

Hope they complete the havelock end sometime in the future.

Would be 65,000 then. Perfect size.

Dutchie

I was on a tour with project manager 2 weeks ago.
Stadium is small compared to Croke park. Hvaelock square end looks terrible with only one tier of seating. It will never be developed because of proximilty of residents. A real pity because it looks half fininshed and will leave the stadiulm obout 15000 under capicity.

donvito99

Dutchie wrote: »

I was on a tour with project manager 2 weeks ago.
Stadium is small compared to Croke park. Hvaelock square end looks terrible with only one tier of seating. It will never be developed because of proximilty of residents. A real pity because it looks half fininshed and will leave the stadiulm obout 15000 under capicity.

I think it gives it a bit of character. Obviously, we all want as many people in the ground as possible, but it leaves the stadium more open to the elements. I like it.

dowlingm

spacetweek wrote: »

I'm not socialist at all so my attitude is that Croker is privately owned so "hands off". If it's to be brought into public ownership the Gov'll pay the market rate for the facility

Which is why when the Government is giving money to large stadiums, it should be in the form of a share investment, not a grant.

If government support to CP was in the form of shares they might be paying a nice dividend now...

Koloman

Dutchie wrote: »

I was on a tour with project manager 2 weeks ago.
Stadium is small compared to Croke park. Hvaelock square end looks terrible with only one tier of seating. It will never be developed because of proximilty of residents. A real pity because it looks half fininshed and will leave the stadiulm obout 15000 under capicity.

For a country of our size to have a stadium as big as Croke Park is a bit of an anomaly in the first place. The Croke Park stadium is skewing the debate on what is appropriate for Lansdowne.

50,000 is around the right capacity for the new Lansdowne. It makes even more sense now given the economic downturn the country is facing for the foreseeable future.

A lot of the corporate boxes in Croke Park were empty at the last rugby match which speaks for itself. Croke Park also struggles to fill itself past the halfway mark for most Gaelic football/hurling matches apart from when Dublin is involved in the championship.

The worst case scenario would've been to have built a massive second Croke Park sized ground for rugby/soccer which probably would have just become a white elephant with massive running costs.

Lansdowne road and its "quirky" design will quickly grow on people and will be a fine platform for our football and rugby players.

Some people will always see a glass half empty, although on this occasion the glass is overflowing!

Interesting clip below of the progress.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl7MQ89VjlA

citycentre

Quirky? Have you seen the Havelock Square end? Quirky is definitely the polite way of describing how it looks... From an architectural perspective I think it looks godawful as do the clumsy and overscaled roof trusses... Also the fact there are so few seats at the Havelock Square end means that the atmosphere of the whole place will be adversely affected and the TV pictures will look terrible. I hate to say it but even Murrayfield will be a better venue purely because it at least has a proper sense of enclosure.

Deedsie

Koloman wrote: »

For a country of our size to have a stadium as big as Croke Park is a bit of an anomaly in the first place. The Croke Park stadium is skewing the debate on what is appropriate for Lansdowne.

50,000 is around the right capacity for the new Lansdowne. It makes even more sense now given the economic downturn the country is facing for the foreseeable future.


A lot of the corporate boxes in Croke Park were empty at the last rugby match which speaks for itself.

Poulation of Ireland = 6,197,100
Landsdowne Road = 50,000

Poulation of Scotland = 5,168,500
Murray Field = 67,500

Against Italy in fairness. Wales and Scotland will sell out. Is something like 15000 of the Landsdowne seating not corporate?

murphym7

Havelock Square end looks like a joke - the sporting world TV viewers will think Ireland has a fetish for half finishing stadium's.

donvito99

BTH wrote: »

I hate to say it but even Murrayfield will be a better venue purely because it at least has a proper sense of enclosure.

Murrayfield is an atrocious stadium, you sit about 40 metres from the pitch and its god awful ugly. I'll take the New lansdowne any day.

Son of Stupido

donvito99 wrote: »

Murrayfield is an atrocious stadium, you sit about 40 metres from the pitch and its god awful ugly. I'll take the New lansdowne any day.

The performance of the local team doesn't help things either!!:D:D

Steviemak

Deedsie wrote: »

Poulation of Ireland = 6,197,100
Landsdowne Road = 50,000

Poulation of Scotland = 5,168,500
Murray Field = 67,500

Against Italy in fairness. Wales and Scotland will sell out. Is something like 15000 of the Landsdowne seating not corporate?

Add in Wales too

Population of Wales = 3 million
Millennium Stadium = 74,500

Deedsie

Steviemak wrote: »

Add in Wales too

Population of Wales = 3 million
Millennium Stadium = 74,500

So per capita, we have by far the smallest stadium in the six nations. We have no problem getting 80000 into Croker, but the powers that be figured a 50000 stadium was sufficient.

It is perfect for the soccer side, but this is a rugby stadium too.