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The New Lansdowne Road

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    #512
    Carawaystick
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    I had a look at the outside of Landsdowne Road and Croke Park from the train this morning. It seems that the Fai and Irfu took the approach of having a stadium that looks lovely from the outside, while compromising the inside views some amount, while the Gaa have all their structural work holding up the roof outside the stadium, and not compromising the view.

    However the roof in Croker isn't up to much when it rains.


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    #513
    Seamu$
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    Carawaystick wrote: »
    However the roof in Croker isn't up to much when it rains.

    That's for sure, don't think I'll ever forget the Kerry v Galway Quarter Final in 2008....the lower tiers emptied!


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    #514
    Kristian_
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    Bluetonic wrote: »
    I care about it as it could have been avoided.

    Would have to agree with you here, seating with any type of obstucted view in a new modern stadia just should not happen.


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    #515
    df1985
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    i hate the irish mentality of "ah sure its grand, itll do."

    the stadium is good yes, and is 100 times better than what was before it, but its not 100%. For the money it cost in these times we should only accept the best in my opinion.


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    #516
    Kristian_
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    Next years Europa League Final:
    "Due to UEFA rules against corporate sponsorship outside the federation, for the final the stadium will be referred to as the "Dublin Arena"


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    #517
    ofjames
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    dublin arena?

    what the hell's wrong with lansdowne road?

    what sort of dick came up with that


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    #518
    Carawaystick
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    ofjames wrote: »
    dublin arena?

    what the hell's wrong with lansdowne road?

    what sort of dick came up with that

    Michel Platini?


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    #519
    DWCommuter
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    ofjames wrote: »
    dublin arena?

    what the hell's wrong with lansdowne road?

    what sort of dick came up with that

    A similar Dick to the many that greenlit this stadium and continue to believe it is world class, when it isn't even close. (unless you are either an FAI/IRFU drone or a very naieve supporter thats been conditioned by years of spin into believing that this stadium is fantastic.

    Its not.

    The Sponsorship issue is old news, but I guess we are so deprived in Ireland that we embrace it as controversy.:rolleyes:


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    #520
    Clanket
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    DWCommuter wrote: »
    A similar Dick to the many that greenlit this stadium and continue to believe it is world class, when it isn't even close. (unless you are either an FAI/IRFU drone or a very naieve supporter thats been conditioned by years of spin into believing that this stadium is fantastic.

    Its not.

    In your opinion


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    #521
    Kristian_
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    DWCommuter wrote: »
    A similar Dick to the many that greenlit this stadium and continue to believe it is world class, when it isn't even close. (unless you are either an FAI/IRFU drone or a very naieve supporter thats been conditioned by years of spin into believing that this stadium is fantastic.

    Its not.

    The Sponsorship issue is old news, but I guess we are so deprived in Ireland that we embrace it as controversy.:rolleyes:

    If the north end was the same as the rest of the stadium would you be happy?
    Forgetting about site restrictions etc for a min, if you were to choose any stadium in the world to replace the new stadium with, which would you choose?


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    #522
    Deedsie
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    Kristian_ wrote: »
    If the north end was the same as the rest of the stadium would you be happy?
    Forgetting about site restrictions etc for a min, if you were to choose any stadium in the world to replace the new stadium with, which would you choose?

    Twickers is pretty nice, don't what's wrong with Croker myself. Could have saved us a few euro


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    #523
    DWCommuter
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    Kristian_ wrote: »
    If the north end was the same as the rest of the stadium would you be happy?
    Forgetting about site restrictions etc for a min, if you were to choose any stadium in the world to replace the new stadium with, which would you choose?

    If the north end was the same, I'd be happy.

    As for what stadium I'd replace it with, well I'd choose the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff.


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    #524
    Kristian_
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    Deedsie wrote: »
    Twickers is pretty nice, don't what's wrong with Croker myself. Could have saved us a few euro

    No doubt the new stadium cost a hell of alot of money, IMO Croke was too big and clumsy for football & rugby. I believe a 65,000 seater would have been spot on. Would it really have been a travisty if they sold the LR site, moved to another site where they could have built what was required.


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    #525
    Enbee
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    Kristian_ wrote: »
    No doubt the new stadium cost a hell of alot of money, IMO Croke was too big and clumsy for football & rugby. I believe a 65,000 seater would have been spot on. Would it really have been a travisty if they sold the LR site, moved to another site where they could have built what was required.

    I wouldn't have a sentimental attachment to Lansdowne Road but I can't see how a alternative site could be found. Croke Park and Lansdowne Road both have great locations because they are so easily accessible. Somewhere like Wembley is a nightmare in comparison.


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    #526
    Bluetonic
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    Kristian_ wrote: »
    Would it really have been a travisty if they sold the LR site, moved to another site where they could have built what was required.
    Only to those who have a commercial interest in having a stadium where it is.
    Enbee wrote: »
    I can't see how a alternative site could be found.
    How much would the Lansdowne site have made at the time and how much would the Irish Glass site have cost? That is less the extra €100m the DDDA paid ontop of the next highest bid at the time. The site would have allowed more revenue enabling steams to be build on it too.
    Enbee wrote: »
    Somewhere like Wembley is a nightmare in comparison.
    You can't compare London and Dublin and expect it to be a fair comparison.


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    #527
    DWCommuter
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    Enbee wrote: »
    Somewhere like Wembley is a nightmare in comparison.

    Couldn't agree with that at all. Public transport access to Wembley Stadium is excellent.


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    #528
    PJTierney
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    DWCommuter wrote: »
    Couldn't agree with that at all. Public transport access to Wembley Stadium is excellent.
    The Tube is amazing alright..


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    #529
    Bluetonic
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    DWCommuter wrote: »
    Couldn't agree with that at all. Public transport access to Wembley Stadium is excellent.
    Having been at it twice last year I agree fully.

    Very easy to get there and back from central London along a number of alternative routes at minimal cost and fuss.


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    #530
    Enbee
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    The public transport to Wembley isn't bad but there's a lot to be said for siting a stadium within walking distance of a city centre.

    Wasn't Docklands proposed as a potential site years ago but then dropped?


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    #531
    Kristian_
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    DWCommuter wrote: »
    As for what stadium I'd replace it with, well I'd choose the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff.

    Good choice, quality stadium.
    Enbee wrote: »
    Somewhere like Wembley is a nightmare in comparison.

    I found Wembley very accessible, no hassle at all in getting there.
    Bluetonic wrote: »
    Only to those who have a commercial interest in having a stadium where it is.

    I know it wont happen for a long time but I do think the new Lansdowne will eventually be expanded to a four sided stadium.
    IMO I think the north end of the ground was designed with a view to future development.
    Apparently most of the material used (glass & steel) on the roof at the North end can be dismantled quite easily and possibly re-structured for use as part of a new roof at this end of the ground.


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    #532
    DWCommuter
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    Enbee wrote: »
    but there's a lot to be said for siting a stadium within walking distance of a city centre.

    Why?


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    #533
    Enbee
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    DWCommuter wrote: »
    Why?

    Where would you rather be before and after a game? Dublin city centre or, for example, Citywest?


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    #534
    DWCommuter
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    Enbee wrote: »
    Where would you rather be before and after a game? Dublin city centre or, for example, Citywest?

    It doesn't matter. If Dublin had a proper transport infrastructure, then Citywest would be fine. The siting of stadiums is not about being close to your traditional watering hole. As we were talking about Wembley, it has been on that site for many many years and functions fine with a fabulous atmosphere. People accept that you get there via a wide range of reliable public transport options. (in many cases quicker than the walk you describe to Landsdowne from Dublin city centre)

    I don't buy into all this traditional bull****. If your going to build a stadium, you do it right. If it can't be done on the existing site, you go elsewhere. When the players step out on the pitch they really don't give a flying **** if the fans have raced up the road from Donehy & Nesbitts in time for kick off.


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    #535
    Enbee
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    Huh? A central location has nothing to do with tradition. Tradition would be wanting to preserve the Lansdowne Road cottages or Wembley towers.

    You've said IF the public transport links were good enough to Citywest it'd be fine. IF! They're not so it isn't - otherwise I'd have said that it was a viable site and that the stadium should have been built there instead of a compromised design being shoehorned into an inadequate central site. The same applies to just about every green field site outside of Dublin city centre.


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    #536
    PJTierney
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    So long as the actual pitch is in good standing (compared to Wembley's mess of a surface), there's not much to complain about.


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    #537
    dowlingm
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    Stadiums form part of at least two major city skylines in Canada - BC Place in Vancouver and Skydome in Toronto. Croke Park and Lansdowne by contrast are difficult to appreciate except from above or from nearby.


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    #538
    Craig Fay
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    dowlingm wrote: »
    Stadiums form part of at least two major city skylines in Canada - BC Place in Vancouver and Skydome in Toronto. Croke Park and Lansdowne by contrast are difficult to appreciate except from above or from nearby.

    Seen Landsdowne from near Three Rock Mountain two days ago. It looks like a fantastic big blue blob in the middle of the city... cool though :cool:


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    #539
    paulm17781
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    dowlingm wrote: »
    Stadiums form part of at least two major city skylines in Canada - BC Place in Vancouver and Skydome in Toronto. Croke Park and Lansdowne by contrast are difficult to appreciate except from above or from nearby.

    But these are cities which appreciate architecture instead of trying to hide everything new in with everything else.


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    #540
    dowlingm
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    Craig Fay wrote: »
    Seen Landsdowne from near Three Rock Mountain two days ago. It looks like a fantastic big blue blob in the middle of the city... cool though :cool:

    Interesting! Take a pic next time please!


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    #541
    dowlingm
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    paulm17781 wrote: »
    But these are cities which appreciate architecture instead of trying to hide everything new in with everything else.

    Here's another - Calgary Saddledome (20,000 seat (ice) hockey arena)


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