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Do you believe in A God?
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because.............the alternative is just too ****in bleak...if there isnt a god what i it that drives people to do/go above and beyond what society expects of them??? people like bob and his band aid, noels HQ mama theresa, and the Irish woman who moved over to help rowandan/romanian (?) orphans (Ill burn in hell cause I cant remember )
of course in the trdition of yin&yang if there is god there has to be a nemesis ENTER satan
If he doesn't exist then how????? do we explain such barbaric awful things that happen, child abuse/paedophilia/human torture/ parents losing children in completely horrendous/inexplicable/unforeseen circumstances etc.. No god no afterlife, right?
I'm not converting to religion just yet, I don't agree with your explanation.the alternative is just too ****in bleak...if there isnt a god what i it that drives people to do/go above and beyond what society expects of them???
That's a bit vague question.
Society is the collective term used to describe large groups of 'humans interacting'.
The thing is though, humans evolved over time, and this global society, let's just say the last 3000 years. This society evolved into what we are today. But the thing is, people have not really been given enough time to evolve since then.
So we as humans, are actually physically and mentally built to survive in conditions before this global society.
Humans have instincts, just like animals do. We, humans in the modern world society, have not yet evolved beyond our primitive instincts. Which evolved more along a timescale of 300,000 years.
Humans are what they are. The example you gave:
"drives people to do/go above and beyond what society expects of them"
Well, people are competitive. People are adaptive, people are ambitious, and intelligent. These are traits / instincts that have been with us for thousands of years. It is always important to visualize what life was like for the human-species whose instincts we have inherited through our genes. What were the social conditions that for the majority of the time, evolved through.people like bob and his band aid, noels HQ mama theresa, and the Irish woman who moved over to help rowandan/romanian (?) orphans (Ill burn in hell cause I cant remember )
Humans are capable of doing good things. Simple as. Humans are also capable of doing evil things. The thing is though, 'humans' on a large scale, cannot be simplified to 'good' or 'evil'.
Reality isn't that simple.
Why so? You have yet to explain why you believe in god, and you've begun talking about Satan. You're now saying that there is an opposition to god, because of yin and yang. Theories of men.of course in the trdition of yin&yang if there is god there has to be a nemesis ENTER satan
If he doesn't exist then how?????If he doesn't exist then how????? do we explain such barbaric awful things that happen, child abuse/paedophilia/human torture/ parents losing children in completely horrendous/inexplicable/unforeseen circumstances etc..
Again, humans are capable of good and also evil. People who I'd associate the above usually associate with personal disorders.
Skitzophrenia, Psychopaths, bi-polar disorder. The human mind is a complicated thing. And specific types of human personalities are capable of doing horrendous things.
But you have to remember, throughout the evolution of mankind, it was survival of the fittest. The good guys didn't always win back then. Aggression, violence, bullying, pathological thinking, all these things have carried through to modern genes through the genes of our ancestors. When it's survival of the fittest, what type of humans do you think provided us with our gene-pool.
In those times, humans who were willing to commit murder, were the ones who survived and lived on.
All the negative things in the world, are the result of negative behaviour/instincts inherited from our ancestors.
Humans today, do not know nearly enough about life and the universe to even begin to comprehend the concept of what or where an after-life could or would be.. No god no afterlife, right?
On the other hand, a load of Bronze-aged priests, reckoned they have the whole afterlife business Sussed out.
"Ehm, god, the man with the beard lives up there. If you're a good person, your soul will be taken up to heaven after you die, if you're a bad person, you go live with the evil one down in the fires underneath earth called hell."
These priests, in being part of a bronze-aged society, didn't realize that the earth was round. They didn't realize that the stars were in fact other suns a great distance away. 'Dreams', a persons ability to do so, was seen as your spirit/soul interacting with the 'other' world. They assumed that their dreams were setting place in the other world, which is where they'd be going permanently after they died in 'this' world.
Also it is worth noting that humans have been aware of astrology for quite some time. Look at New-grange in Ireland, and the Aztec pyramids in South America. Humans have recognised and been awear of the constellations for for the last 50,000 years or so.
It is in fact interesting to see that the story of Jesus, has links to the constelations. I'd recommend watching the following video:
This
It shines some light on the interesting link between what we know as the gospels, and other, older knoledge.
Around 50,000 years ago, we were capable of astrology, religions formed and evolved in a similar fashion to the evolution of human language.
In fact, with the story of Noah, Moses, scholars have found similar types of stories, dating back 3000 years before the old testement.
And note that only in the last 150 years or so have archaeologists actually figured out what the world was like back in the time of the bible. For a long time, people just assumed that genesis and the rest of the old Testement was accurate in terms of dates etc..
Only recently have people realised that the jews were not slaves of Egypt. We now know that the Jews were a race of people that were originally Caananites.
Anything in the bible, written about times before 300B.C completely contradict
what we have learned about the ancient worlds, in recent times. Anything before 300B.C, is in no way accurate. These books do however show inspiration from other religious beliefs of the time. Moses is thought to have actually immigrated from Eqypt with some of his followers.
The Eqyption records of the time, show a rebellion cause by a man that can be linked to Moses. The group of Egyptions that Moses lead, integrated their stories and beliefs with the people of Israel.
Religions evolve just like languages.
You should read up on things like this, it's very interesting stuff.
The bible is a collection of educated writings from the bronze/iron aged peoples. I commend the bible, as it contributed to the concept of 'law and order' in barbaric times.
And in retrospect, the whole creation theory put forth by Genesis is actually a pretty good hypothesis, when you bear in mind the resources, and assumptions of the world at the time. Before science, stories whose origins were based on observations of the stars. (Which was horribly, horribly misunderstood by these peoples.)
Stars : Can represent angles, they can tell stories.
Fire, death, suffering :These are represented by the Devil. Hell was considered to be beneath the earth.
The skies/heavens above the earth, is where light and rain comes from. Therefore associated with good things.
The Sun is God. The most powerful higher being, the brightest object in the sky.
I'm still waiting on an answer.
"I believe in god because............................"
A logical conclusion to that sentence?0 -
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HouseHippo wrote: »Well If anyone knows about Quantum Physics, which is the basis of our existance you can believe in 2 things.....
1. They know that the big bang was started by a thing called a "Quark" which is basically contained with in Protons and Neutrons. These exist in a state of nothingness until someone looks at them and they come into reality. Therefore there had to be something to look at the Quark before space and time existed to spark the beginning of the One isngle Universe we live in (a God If you will)
2. Quarks instead of becoming one reality expand themselves into other Parallel Universes.
So it's one or the other im afraid.
Unless you are a Creationistand don't believe in the Big Bang. Then you should hurry up and Die and stop wasting the intelligent people's air
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Sorry Aidan I was being unfair - accepting your self description as an ape ... doesnt change my belief that my bunch are created by God.
So my question is do you believe you are created by god or descended from apes.:D
I do not believe I was created by god. The evidence that we have evolved via natural selection is overwhelming. It's a remarkable theory, you should look it up.i-bloodhound wrote: »I'm ignorant to that, unfortunately. Who are the Gods of Wiccans? The Charmed ones?
There is a paganism forum here which will probably enlighten you better than I could. It's a mish mash of alot of different things, some of it very noble (respect for nature and the environment) and some of it very airy-fairy (crystals, witchcraft, magic etc)0 -
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But, and this isn't supposed to be insulting, I'm just very curious about beliefs like yours, how can you derive any comfort from such a stance? I mean, I can't fathom how you can get anything out of such a belief. There's not a whole lot of difference between believing a higher power, who you have no idea how it came about, created the universe and acknowledging you have no idea how the universe came about. I struggle to understand what exactly you have blind faith in and why?
Firstly, don't worry I'm not in the least bit insulted. And if I was, would you actually care? :P
And as for why I derive comfort in believing in a higher power - I honestly cannot explain. I just do. As ridiculous and unsatisfactory as that may sound to others, to me it's normal.
I'd be lying if I said I never question my beliefs: a few years ago I was quite a good Catholic but I've distanced myself from the Church because there are too many aspects of Catholicism that I disagree with.
I completely acknowledge that there is a chance I'm wrong. I don't think I'm wrong, but I could be. And if I am wrong, then so be it.
Something in the future may change my mind: you often hear about people finding God, maybe I might go the opposite direction and lose him! But I very much doubt that will ever happen.dlofnep wrote:If God exists, I think he'll forgive us for being human and only accepting what seems reasonable. If he doesn't, then he's not my kind of God anyways.
Lol, have to admit that's a good reply!why would you believe in something that you can't prove, that's just silly!
Well then I guess I'm silly.
wibble wobble ROFL jelly.0 -
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