Would You Vote for Present Goverment Again

paconnors

Sorry if in wrong forum but couldn't do a poll in politics

Taken from Rte.ie

The Green Party is gathering in Tralee, Co Kerry, this morning for a two-day meeting ahead of the resumption of the Dáil.
Ministers, TDs, senators and local councillors will meet in the Fels Point Hotel for the seminar before the Dáil resumes next week.
Now well into its second year of coalition, the party will look at how to strengthen its role in Government, including how to pursue a carbon tax and how to win more seats at next year's European and local council elections.

If the Carbon Tax was Brought in

chopperbyrne

You've no poll option for people who didn't vote for them in the first place.

Also, it's spelt government.

Honey-ec

chopperbyrne wrote: »

You've no poll option for people who didn't vote for them in the first place.
Also, it's spelt government.

+1

And it's spelled spelled, unless you're a Septic Tank. Spelt is a type of grain.

Nehaxak

No and I didn't vote for them in the first place either.

I also think the political parties in this country are total and utter shyte.

Fine Fail, Fine Gael, Labour, Green Party = All the same, very little if anything these days to even differentiate between them all.

Sinn Fein could've been different but instead farked it all up trying to fit in with the rest so arse to them too.

Who'se left ? Hmm, PD/Nazi's are finished, though who the feckin' hell ever voted for them in the first place other than inbreds.

Socialist and other communist type parties = Really, gtfo, not gonna happen, ever. Joe Higgins I have to say though was great to listen too but the ideals of it all are twisted, old and have always failed miserably.

If it's all the same as it was or is now come the next election - I might even consider not bothering my arse at all to even vote as i would have NOBODY to vote for. That or I'm spoiling my vote with a cock drawing.

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krpc

Nehaxak wrote: »

No and I didn't vote for them in the first place either.

I also think the political parties in this country are total and utter shyte.

Fine Fail, Fine Gael, Labour, Green Party = All the same, very little if anything these days to even differentiate between them all.

Sinn Fein could've been different but instead farked it all up trying to fit in with the rest so arse to them too.

Who'se left ? Hmm, PD/Nazi's are finished, though who the feckin' hell ever voted for them in the first place other than inbreds.

Socialist and other communist type parties = Really, gtfo, not gonna happen, ever. Joe Higgins I have to say though was great to listen too but the ideals of it all are twisted, old and have always failed miserably.

If it's all the same as it was or is now come the next election - I might even consider not bothering my arse at all to even vote as i would have NOBODY to vote for. That or I'm spoiling my vote with a cock drawing.

I agree on the latter part - I didn't vote last time because I believed no one deserved it. No one single candidate stood out that made me want to go and vote for them. I then got complained at about the fact that people died for the right to vote. Indeed, that is true, but those same people also died for freedom, justice et all, but the poiticians don't subscribe to those either. If I come across a politician, regardless of affiliation, that deserves the vote, I'll give it to them.

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Thanks

paconnors

chopperbyrne wrote: »

You've no poll option for people who didn't vote for them in the first place.

Also, it's spelt government.

My apologies Spelling wasn't my greatest subject

Cookie_Monster

we should just outsource the government, seems to be all the rage these days anyway:)

Sherifu

Never voted for the present government. Useless shower. Thought this was a casey thread, disappointing.

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

we should just outsource the government, seems to be all the rage these days anyway:)

Robert Mugabe may be interested.

Holsten

No, not a chance in hell.

I didn't vote for them last them neither will I next time.

KnifeWRENCH

Yes I would.

I think the alternative would be much worse. I have much more faith in Brian Cowen to lead our country than I have in Enda Kenny.

chopperbyrne

Honey-ec wrote: »

+1

And it's spelled spelled, unless your a Septic Tank. Spelt is a type of grain.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/spelt

Either spelling is acceptable.

ScumLord

I've never voted FF, I don't understand how their still in power. Their corrupt money grabbing attention whores. FG are just as bad their like the cheap whore that will do anything to get you to pick them instead of the popular whore.

I always vote for socialists, independent or SF, Not so much to get them into power but to take the vote away from the whores that are normally in power.

I have absolutely no faith in any politician their all, without exception, corrupt attention seeking whores.

ncmc

Yes, purely because there is no viable alternative. Enda Kenny as taoiseach, give me a break, he'd be a total embarressement. It's a sad state of affairs when the current government are the best we've got *shudders*

Darragh29

ScumLord wrote: »

I've never voted FF, I don't understand how their still in power. Their corrupt money grabbing attention whores. FG are just as bad their like the cheap whore that will do anything to get you to pick them instead of the popular whore.

I always vote for socialists, independent or SF, Not so much to get them into power but to take the vote away from the whores that are normally in power.

I have absolutely no faith in any politician their all, without exception, corrupt attention seeking whores.

I blame the cluchies for this situation. How do people like Beverly Flynn, Michael Lowry, Jackie Healy Rae & his "mini-me", Enda Kenny, in all reality get elected again and again?

ScumLord

ncmc wrote: »

Yes, purely because there is no viable alternative. Enda Kenny as taoiseach, give me a break, he'd be a total embarressement. It's a sad state of affairs when the current government are the best we've got *shudders*

I don't think they are, the fact is we haven't given any other setup a chance. We're as bad as the Americans now. Two parties that call you a fool for voting for anybody else. It's amazing that these whores have the whole country wrapped around their finger while they drive this country into the ground.

chopperbyrne

ScumLord wrote: »

I don't think they are, the fact is we haven't given any other setup a chance. We're as bad as the Americans now. Two parties that call you a fool for voting for anybody else. It's amazing that these whores have the whole country wrapped around their finger while they drive this country into the ground.

Exactly, Labour or a Sinn Féin not led by Gerry Adams* should be given a chance.

*Nothing particularly against the man, but he's far too busy up north to realistically be Taoiseach.

humanji

We should set up a Boards party. We've got our fingers on the pulse. How could we lose?

Baggsy Junior Vice President!

Prof.Badass

FF have become way too authoritarian for my liking.

Cowen is way too paternalistic, I don't think it's physically possible to be any worse, That's why at worst Enda kenny will be just as bad.

Darragh29

vinylmesh wrote: »

FF have become way too authoritarian for my liking.

Cowen is way too paternalistic, I don't think it's physically possible to be any worse, That's why at worst Enda kenny will be just as bad.

In the last few years, I learnt some very valuable lessons, the most valuable of them being that I've learnt to just my gut feeling.

My gut feeling tells me that Brian Cowen is completely out of his depth in the job, that he simply doesn't know what to do.

Mary Coughlan is hopelessly lost in her brief, she comes acorss as smug and condasending, between the two of them there isn't a shred of vision.

Imagine if we had a leader who inspired people, who made people talk about the new business they were starting up or the positive things they are doing in their lives, instead of sharing discussion with you of everything that is wrong with the country at the moment???

If I was taoiseacht, around 3 months ago, I would have voluntarily imposed a 10% pay cut on myself and every cabinet minister, effective immediately. Anyone who wasn't happy, no cabinet position. I'd have followed that up with a pay freeze, both public and private, for 24 months, exceptions none.

I'd open up the Dublin Bus market and allow private bus operators compete with Dublin bus. This would save a fortune, no more government capital expenditure required for new Dublin Bus stock and a couple of hundred jobs created as well, which means more income tax.

I'd open up the Irish rail network, more PAYE jobs, more licence money and bettter public service. If the unions didn't like it, grand, fu*k off then.

I'd replace the County Enterprise Boards with a numerous boards of actual business people who I could go to and pitch for seed capital which would allow myself and others who are in the business of creating jobs, to do so. In all reality, what would a fu*king political apointee to a County Enterprise board know about enterprise!?!?!

nobodythere

Well i didn't vote for them the first time around...

Wagon

You must be joking. Never voted for them in the first place.

Cookie_Monster

ncmc wrote: »

Enda Kenny as taoiseach, give me a break, he'd be a total embarressement.

And Biffo isin't?

BroomBurner

Nope. Though I'm not sure who I would vote for. If there was a Social Democrat party, with policies akin to the Scandinavian countries, I'd vote for them. A Social Democrat country with <common sense> Green leanings.

Mena

Honey-ec wrote: »

+1

And it's spelled spelled, unless your a Septic Tank. Spelt is a type of grain.

If you insist on correcting people's spelling and/or grammar, make sure you use the correct spelling/grammar in your post.

That would be "you're" not your!

:pac::pac:

Honey-ec

chopperbyrne wrote: »

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/spelt

Either spelling is acceptable.

Same with apologize/apologise but you won't catch me using the former any time soon...

Mena wrote: »

If you insist on correcting people's spelling and/or grammar, make sure you use the correct spelling/grammar in your post.

That would be "you're" not your!

:pac::pac:

Gah!!! I never do that!

*falls upon own sword*

all the stars

Think we shouyld get all new people...

Heeck the woman running for vice president in the U.S in only in politics in Alaska a few months... If they reacon she's fit to go for presidency (or vice p) then i certainly am...

All hail ME!! I dont charge tax... just get jobs and we all get along. Do whatever you want once you dont break the law (my laws) or suffer my wrath.

Reacon public flogging and hanging, drawing & quartering would be a good start... ooooh, and extra flogging for those who question my genius or wear Ugg boots (so last season and they look horraible wet- what with all the rain)

krpc

Darragh29 wrote: »

In the last few years, I learnt some very valuable lessons, the most valuable of them being that I've learnt to just my gut feeling.

My gut feeling tells me that Brian Cowen is completely out of his depth in the job, that he simply doesn't know what to do.

Mary Coughlan is hopelessly lost in her brief, she comes acorss as smug and condasending, between the two of them there isn't a shred of vision.

Imagine if we had a leader who inspired people, who made people talk about the new business they were starting up or the positive things they are doing in their lives, instead of sharing discussion with you of everything that is wrong with the country at the moment???

If I was taoiseacht, around 3 months ago, I would have voluntarily imposed a 10% pay cut on myself and every cabinet minister, effective immediately. Anyone who wasn't happy, no cabinet position. I'd have followed that up with a pay freeze, both public and private, for 24 months, exceptions none.

I'd open up the Dublin Bus market and allow private bus operators compete with Dublin bus. This would save a fortune, no more government capital expenditure required for new Dublin Bus stock and a couple of hundred jobs created as well, which means more income tax.

I'd open up the Irish rail network, more PAYE jobs, more licence money and bettter public service. If the unions didn't like it, grand, fu*k off then.

I'd replace the County Enterprise Boards with a numerous boards of actual business people who I could go to and pitch for seed capital which would allow myself and others who are in the business of creating jobs, to do so. In all reality, what would a fu*king political apointee to a County Enterprise board know about enterprise!?!?!

You've got my vote!

Darragh29

Honestly folks, this country deserves so so so much more than what we are getting from the current government. I've never seen a situation in this country before where so many people needed decent leadership... We could do so much more if there was decent leadership...

ScumLord

Darragh29 wrote: »

I blame the cluchies for this situation. How do people like Beverly Flynn, Michael Lowry, Jackie Healy Rae & his "mini-me", Enda Kenny, in all reality get elected again and again?

But the thing is they get the job done. They make promises, either to fix a road or school that's been ignored by the Dublin government and they actually do what they where elected to do. Happy campers all round. They may never do a days work again in their life's but the people that elected them see job done and vote for them again.

Eoin

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Exactly, Labour or a Sinn Féin not led by Gerry Adams* should be given a chance.

*Nothing particularly against the man, but he's far too busy up north to realistically be Taoiseach.

Yeah, because that's the best reason why he shouldn't lead the country.

Tricity Bendix

Darragh29 wrote: »

In the last few years, I learnt some very valuable lessons, the most valuable of them being that I've learnt to just my gut feeling.

My gut feeling tells me that Brian Cowen is completely out of his depth in the job, that he simply doesn't know what to do.

Mary Coughlan is hopelessly lost in her brief, she comes acorss as smug and condasending, between the two of them there isn't a shred of vision.

Imagine if we had a leader who inspired people, who made people talk about the new business they were starting up or the positive things they are doing in their lives, instead of sharing discussion with you of everything that is wrong with the country at the moment???

If I was taoiseacht, around 3 months ago, I would have voluntarily imposed a 10% pay cut on myself and every cabinet minister, effective immediately. Anyone who wasn't happy, no cabinet position. I'd have followed that up with a pay freeze, both public and private, for 24 months, exceptions none.

I'd open up the Dublin Bus market and allow private bus operators compete with Dublin bus. This would save a fortune, no more government capital expenditure required for new Dublin Bus stock and a couple of hundred jobs created as well, which means more income tax.

I'd open up the Irish rail network, more PAYE jobs, more licence money and bettter public service. If the unions didn't like it, grand, fu*k off then.

I'd replace the County Enterprise Boards with a numerous boards of actual business people who I could go to and pitch for seed capital which would allow myself and others who are in the business of creating jobs, to do so. In all reality, what would a fu*king political apointee to a County Enterprise board know about enterprise!?!?!

We already had a party that was pro-competition and pro-enterprise. Nobody voted for them.

As someone who actually did vote for government parties last time, I probably wouldn't switch my vote. Labour wouldn't have the balls to stand up to the unions at pay talks like the current government did, and Fine Gael wouldn't make spending cuts because, after years of being in opposition, they wouldn't want to be seen to be responsible for teachers' and nurses' strikes. And Sinn Fein are murderous marxist thugs.

greatgoal

it wouldnt be viable to vote for another party because lets face it,who could possibly make a bigger bo**ox of it than the current gangsters who are in power:D

irish_bob

Darragh29 wrote: »

In the last few years, I learnt some very valuable lessons, the most valuable of them being that I've learnt to just my gut feeling.

My gut feeling tells me that Brian Cowen is completely out of his depth in the job, that he simply doesn't know what to do.

Mary Coughlan is hopelessly lost in her brief, she comes acorss as smug and condasending, between the two of them there isn't a shred of vision.

Imagine if we had a leader who inspired people, who made people talk about the new business they were starting up or the positive things they are doing in their lives, instead of sharing discussion with you of everything that is wrong with the country at the moment???

If I was taoiseacht, around 3 months ago, I would have voluntarily imposed a 10% pay cut on myself and every cabinet minister, effective immediately. Anyone who wasn't happy, no cabinet position. I'd have followed that up with a pay freeze, both public and private, for 24 months, exceptions none.

I'd open up the Dublin Bus market and allow private bus operators compete with Dublin bus. This would save a fortune, no more government capital expenditure required for new Dublin Bus stock and a couple of hundred jobs created as well, which means more income tax.

I'd open up the Irish rail network, more PAYE jobs, more licence money and bettter public service. If the unions didn't like it, grand, fu*k off then.

I'd replace the County Enterprise Boards with a numerous boards of actual business people who I could go to and pitch for seed capital which would allow myself and others who are in the business of creating jobs, to do so. In all reality, what would a fu*king political apointee to a County Enterprise board know about enterprise!?!?!

when and where are you running , il move house so as to be in your constituency

Darragh29

b.ie curious wrote: »

We already had a party that was pro-competition and pro-enterprise. Nobody voted for them.

As someone who actually did vote for government parties last time, I probably wouldn't switch my vote. Labour wouldn't have the balls to stand up to the unions at pay talks like the current government did, and Fine Gael wouldn't make spending cuts because, after years of being in opposition, they wouldn't want to be seen to be responsible for teachers' and nurses' strikes. And Sinn Fein are murderous marxist thugs.

I honestly couldn't believe it when I heard a 6% pay increase was the outcome of those talks. If anything, it should have been -6% I think. When you're not prepared to lead, you can't expect anything better.

arybvtcw0eolkf

If I thought The Greens would be in it, not a snowballs chance in hell.

Although I've lost faith in politics/government I will always exercise my right to vote and just remain hopeful I guess.

irish_bob

as bad as the goverment led by cowen are , i believe they will win the next election , think about it , as bad as things are right now be it with issues that are or are not within the goverments control , they are still more or less ahead of the opposition in the polls , the torys are 20 points ahead of labour , fine gael and labour should be at least 10 points ahead here , just what has to happen or how badly does the goverment have to screw up for the opposition to gain some ground , if the torys were only neck and neck with labour right now , cameron would have a knife in his back , i was going to say kenny has to go but appart from the capable but not really leader quality richard bruton , who could replace him

Eoin

irish_bob wrote: »

i was going to say kenny has to go but appart from the capable but not really leader quality richard bruton , who could replace him

Simon Coveney could be an option in a few years.

Prof.Badass

BroomBurner wrote: »

Nope. Though I'm not sure who I would vote for. If there was a Social Democrat party, with policies akin to the Scandinavian countries, I'd vote for them. A Social Democrat country with <common sense> Green leanings.

Sweden is mega strict (no fun allowed ) nanny-state. They're not far off saudi arabia.:eek:
Would absolutely hate to live there.


I'm not sure about Norway,or finland (are they part of scandanavia) but Denmark seems to be ok (ok being better than here).

What Ireland is missing is a liberal party. They mightn't get voted in, but they'd provide much needed balance to the political process.

LightningBolt

In my area I voted FF because the candidate actually does something. I gave my second vote to Labour because she also gets things done.

To be honest, as a young person I see no leader of any of our parties having the balls and know how to step up and guide us through our current downtourn. It will get better eventually but not as quick as it should.

CiaranC

Darragh29 wrote: »

Honestly folks, this country deserves so so so much more than what we are getting from the current government. I've never seen a situation in this country before where so many people needed decent leadership... We could do so much more if there was decent leadership...

No it doesnt, the country has been electing and reelecting the same clowns for decades. And it will reelect them again at the next election. The country has the government it deserves.

xOxSinéadxOx

well seeing as i didn't vote for them in the first place...

Tricity Bendix

Darragh29 wrote: »

I honestly couldn't believe it when I heard a 6% pay increase was the outcome of those talks. If anything, it should have been -6% I think. When you're not prepared to lead, you can't expect anything better.

Given the relative bargaining positions, the government actually did quite well. Pay rises that would meet inflation were inevitable.

The government can 'lead' as much as it wants, but it is not like they are omnipotent overlords who can just command inflation to stay put or create jobs out of thin air. Rather, they are actors in the economy. The unions and the employers are both legitimate power centres, and neither can be bullied or browbeaten into submission.

Stephen

No I wouldn't vote for them, and I didn't vote for the bastards the last time round either.

HalloweenJack

No.

Cowen and Lenihan are terribly incompetent. Harney's Americanising our health system. Cowen has a lot to answer for considering he was Minister for Finance for the last four years and Lenihan is stubborn by refusing to borrow money when we could.

Darragh29

b.ie curious wrote: »

Given the relative bargaining positions, the government actually did quite well. Pay rises that would meet inflation were inevitable.

The government can 'lead' as much as it wants, but it is not like they are omnipotent overlords who can just command inflation to stay put or create jobs out of thin air. Rather, they are actors in the economy. The unions and the employers are both legitimate power centres, and neither can be bullied or browbeaten into submission.

Yeah, nobody can make anyone do anything, I accept that. If there was some leadership demonstrated and the government showed some restraint themselves and a bit of forward thinking and demonstrated an ability to make some long overdue sacrifices, I think people would get behind them. We all pay ourselves too much, prices won't come down when we are giving ourselves these type of pay increases. What was needed here was a surgeons knife to pay and what we got was lollipops for the kids...

Answer me this, do you feel inspired when you see Mary Coughlan sneering and people and making one excuse after the other for the problems we have??? One thing I've learnt while working for myself is that I know a dopey cu*t when I see one...

irish_bob

Darragh29 wrote: »

Yeah, nobody can make anyone do anything, I accept that. If there was some leadership demonstrated and the government showed some restraint themselves and a bit of forward thinking and demonstrated an ability to make some long overdue sacrifices, I think people would get behind them. We all pay ourselves too much, prices won't come down when we are giving ourselves these type of pay increases. What was needed here was a surgeons knife to pay and what we got was lollipops for the kids...

Answer me this, do you feel inspired when you see Mary Coughlan sneering and people and making one excuse after the other for the problems we have??? One thing I've learnt while working for myself is that I know a dopey cu*t when I see one...

thanks for helping me find the word ive been searching for to describe mary coughlan , DOPEY

mikemac

Darragh29 wrote: »

We all pay ourselves too much,

Will you do your patriotic duty and take a pay cut or maybe a pay freeze for 2-3 years which will be a pay cut after inflation?
I note you're self-empoyed so it mightn't apply to you

Darragh29 wrote: »

prices won't come down when we are giving ourselves these type of pay increases..

A few years back the government cut VAT from 21% to 20% so in theory prices should come down. This is similar to your idea.

What happened was the business absorbed the benefits and consumers didn’t see any price drops. So the government put VAT back to 21% since all it was doing was taking tax revenue and putting in the hands of businesses. The consumer didn’t benefit at all!

LeahBaby

I see no "i'm too good looking to care" option..

I kid i Kid..

I voted no because I'd like there to be a lot more enviromental laws put in place..

ScumLord

For me it has nothing to do with inspiring the people I'd be happy if we at least got some development.

Just about every county outside Dublin has been ignored. Road works set back or dropped absolutely no sign of any kind of long term planing.

Claregalway is a perfect example of how badly the current leadership has failed the west. They've ignored a painfully obvious traffic problem and instead of fixing the problem they've just aloud it to get worse and worse. I've seen roadworks that make the road worse when their finished. House aloud to pop up in places that just don't make any sense. I've had friends that had to bribe the local TD and planning authority to put these houses up.

There's no argument that can be put in front of me in favor of this government because I've witnessed their corruption and stupidity first hand.