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Why dont we leave? Look at America
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18-09-2008 3:25pm#1
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It's lies that are the problem.Who is calling us ungrateful?
What sort of economic structure do you propose bearing in mind the severe risk of structural unemployment if we revert back to a protectionist 'self sufficient' pie in the sky economic system.
What do people need? Food, clothes and shelter and to be happy. It's not hard!
Food grows, we make clothes from these and we've too many houses. People have been converted by business men to thinking we need all this bull**** around us. They've made themselves think their above us, and we've forgotten what being human is about.
All I know is that if we continue on with the E.U, we will not be happy.
The people of Ireland dont have enough power at the moment to do anything about the state of their country, why should we give away more?
Here's some quotes from these people we have leading us.
“Public opinion will be led to adopt, without knowing it, the proposals that we dare not present to them directly … All the earlier proposals will be in the new text, but will be hidden and disguised in some way.”
- Former French President V.Giscard D’Estaing, who helped to draw up the EU Constitution which the French and Dutch rejected in their 2005 referendums and which is now being implemented through the Lisbon Treaty, Le Monde, 14 June 2007
“France was just ahead of all the other countries in voting No. It would happen in all Member States if they have a referendum. There is a cleavage between people and governments … There will be no Treaty if we had a referendum in France, which would again be followed by a referendum in the UK.”
- French President Nicolas Sarkozy,at meeting of senior MEPs, EUobserver, 14 November 2007
“The difference between the original Constitution and the present Lisbon Treaty is one of approach, rather than content … The proposals in the original constitutional treaty are practically unchanged. They have simply been dispersed through the old treaties in the form of amendments. Why this subtle change? Above all, to head off any threat of referenda by avoiding any form of constitutional vocabulary … But lift the lid and look in the toolbox: all the same innovative and effective tools are there, just as they were carefully crafted by the European Convention.”
- V.Giscard D’Estaing, former French President and Chairman of the Convention which drew up the EU Constitution, The Independent, London, 30 October 2007
“They decided that the document should be unreadable. If it is unreadable, it is not constitutional, that was the sort of perception. Where they got this perception from is a mystery to me. In order to make our citizens happy, to produce a document that they will never understand! But, there is some truth [in it]. Because if this is the kind of document that the IGC will produce, any Prime Minister - imagine the UK Prime Minister - can go to the Commons and say ‘Look, you see, it’s absolutely unreadable, it’s the typical Brussels treaty, nothing new, no need for a referendum.’ Should you succeed in understanding it at first sight there might be some reason for a referendum, because it would mean that there is something new.”
- Giuliano Amato, former Italian Prime Minister and Vice-Chairman of the Convention which drew up the EU Constitution, recorded by Open Europe, The Centre for European Reform, London, 12 July 2007
“Sometimes I like to compare the EU as a creation to the organisation of empires. We have the dimension of Empire but there is a great difference. Empires were usually made with force with a centre imposing diktat, a will on the others. Now what we have is the first non-imperial empire.”
Commission President J-M Barroso, The Brussels Journal, 11 July 2007
“The aim of the Constitutional Treaty was to be more readable; the aim of this treaty is to be unreadable … The Constitution aimed to be clear, whereas this treaty had to be unclear. It is a success.
- Karel de Gucht, Belgian Foreign Minister, Flandreinfo, 23 June 2007
“The good thing about not calling it a Constltution is that no one can ask for a referendum on it.
- Giuliano Amato, speech at London School of Econmics, 21 February 2007
And that's not the half of it, I strongly suggest to everybody to turn off their TVs, stop buying papers or at least dont take the news seriously. Do your own research.
The E.U leaders have made their intentions clear with these quotes, to mislead, misinform and to control an empire. Is New World Order still a dirty word?
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Smudgeyboy wrote: »It's lies that are the problem.
What do people need? Food, clothes and shelter and to be happy. It's not hard!
I certainly wouldn't be happy if that is all I had. Self fulfilment is essential for happiness. I am starting a career as a systems analyst which I have studied for for four years. I can't see myself feeling fulfilled in a largely agrarian based society nor would anyone else with an intellectual background.Smudgeyboy wrote: »Food grows, we make clothes from these and we've too many houses. People have been converted by business men to thinking we need all this bull**** around us. They've made themselves think their above us, and we've forgotten what being human is about.
You make it sound so simple when it's actually a very difficult thing to define. I probably don't share all the same desires as you and therefore the parameters by which we individually define 'being human' are very different. The beauty of a liberal capitalistic society is that everyone is free to define how they want to live instead of it being imposed from above.
What you aspire to sounds eerily similar to anti-intellectual socialist movements in Asia such as the Khmer Rouge. I don't think everyone was too happy in that system.Smudgeyboy wrote: »All I know is that if we continue on with the E.U, we will not be happy.
The people of Ireland dont have enough power at the moment to do anything about the state of their country, why should we give away more?
Yes they do, if we stop electing populist politicians big improvements can be made.Smudgeyboy wrote: »Here's some quotes from these people we have leading us.
Pffft. You have no idea the amount of times these quotes have been regurgitated on boards. All of them are small sound bites taken out of context.Smudgeyboy wrote: »Do your own research.
I strongly suggest you do the same and stop regurgitating what you read from some conspiracy theorist on the web.Smudgeyboy wrote: »The E.U leaders have made their intentions clear with these quotes, to mislead, misinform and to control an empire.
To what end? They already live very comfortable lifestyles, empires eventually fall and so do their leaders.Smudgeyboy wrote: »Is New World Order still a dirty word?
It at least helps us identify the youtube inaugurated.0 -
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