Liverpool v Stoke

spockety

eagle eye wrote: »

You should take a look at the stats I posted back a bit.

If the top four never played each other last season, Liverpool would still have finished 4th.
I cannot see Liverpool taking 10 points from those games even with 3 points already. I can see 8 points as a possibility. That won't change the placings from last year. Its how you get on against the bad teams that makes the difference as was the case last year. Thats why the one point today is unacceptable.

What are you basing all of this on? Liverpool only finished 2 points shorter than United last year on non top 4 games, and United were champions. The only evidence we should really be looking at this season is how Liverpool have performed so far, and in games against other top 4 opposition, they have already beated Manchester United. Surely this evidence would suggest that Liverpool have a much better chance this season? Or are we not allowed to use that evidence "just because", as it's not anecdotal or opinionated?

PHB

Arguing about whether Babel is young or not is just stupid, I don't know why anyone would want to get involved in that argument. [The irony is obvious to me btw]

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For me, this was bound to happen. Liverpool have done well so far this season, but imo, they've yet to put in a truly impressive creative offensive performance. Everyone has been saying, 'we're playing badly, but we're winning, that's the sign of champions'. But the thing is, its not just about playing badly and winning, its about playing well most of the time, but when you play badly, you win. If you play badly in general, eventually you are going to drop points.

People will say, oh we should have had a goal. There is no doubt about that in my mind. There is also no doubt about the fact that in order to win the league, you still have to overcome that. No doubt Rafa's complaing, and he's right to complain, because in the future, more marginal decisions will go his way probably, but he knows himself, excuses aren't good enough.

In the grand scheme of things, its just 2 points dropped of course. But in reality, its a bad psychological blow. Liverpool were on top, and now they aren't. A win yesterday would have put them top of the league, even if only by a small margin, that is psychologicaly important.

spockety

PHB wrote: »

In the grand scheme of things, its just 2 points dropped of course. But in reality, its a bad psychological blow. Liverpool were on top, and now they aren't. A win yesterday would have put them top of the league, even if only by a small margin, that is psychologicaly important.

I call manure of male cow.

Any player who takes psychological blows from seeing the table after only 4 or 5 games in should spend some of their 10/20/50/80/120K a week on therapy.

Yesterdays draw will be forgotten by the players when they line up against Everton next week. Unless of course you can back up your "psychological blow" claims by giving us details of the psychology sessions you have had with Liverpool players yesterday evening? Or is there some sort of patient confidentiality clause attached to your discussions with the team?

Maybe you could give us some ideas of the pyschological blows suffered by Manchester United players after losing at Anfield last week, or drawing at home to Newcastle, or maybe the state of mind of Arsenal players after losing to Fulham?

I might suggest that the next time you're having one of these psychology sessions with Liverpool players, you tell them a fable about how Manchester United players overcame the psychological blows inflicted on them at the start of last season by Reading, or the mind blowing damage done by Manchester City to them last year, before they went on to lift the league title at the end of the season?

estebancambias

Well done Stoke.

jesus_thats_gre

Third_Echelon wrote: »

From looking at the replays it looked offside to me. Torres was ahead of the last defender when the ball was delivered. He made an attempt to go for the ball, therefore he was 'active'. Therefore offside. Tight decision, but I reckon the linesman got it right.

Agreed. Twas defo offside for me..

Nalz

This thread has consisted of either arugments that could go on forever and won't bear fruit until a good few games in, or are just plain and simple stupid from the off:

- Babel is young, oh no he's not :rolleyes:

- Liverpool havent improved their squad this season, oh yes they have :rolleyes:

- offside / onside (very hard to tell lads lets be fair)

- Stoke, what do you mean teams like Stoke? Sure that doesnt make sense. You couldnt catergorize teams like that :rolleyes:

- The ins and outs of Psychological blows for a premiership footballer :rolleyes:

and finally

- the good oul bashing, bickering and nitpicking :mad:

spockety

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Agreed. Twas defo offside for me..

But the linesman never raised his flag for offside, nor did the referee disallow the goal for offside. In fact, as of this moment (unless it's put in a public match report, I don't know?) there is only one person who can explain the disallowed goal, and that's the ref.

ntlbell

gixerfixer wrote: »

Em Riera and Keane

Oh right well there's two world beaters

em

jesus_thats_gre

spockety wrote: »

But the linesman never raised his flag for offside, nor did the referee disallow the goal for offside. In fact, as of this moment (unless it's put in a public match report, I don't know?) there is only one person who can explain the disallowed goal, and that's the ref.

I don't really care what the referee called it for. Not to sound like a dick or anything.

Some Liverpool fans seem to be hanging onto the "we were denied a perfectly valid goal" card. We were denied a perfectly valid goal. That is really all I care about.

jesus_thats_gre

ntlbell wrote: »

Oh right well there's two world beaters

em

It is 30 million worth of talent.

You can talk **** all you like but adding Keane to the squad has a possibility of adding anything up to 20 goals a season. You can argue anything you like but arguing against Keane's record over the past few seasons will just prove how little you do actually know.

ntlbell

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

It is 30 million worth of talent.

You can talk **** all you like but adding Keane to the squad has a possibility of adding anything up to 20 goals a season. You can argue anything you like but arguing against Keane's record over the past few seasons will just prove how little you do actually know.

and united and chelsea have added as much and more?

so by your thinking

as you were

????

this penny seems to have a very long drop on this issue..

gixerfixer

Boggles wrote: »

Rafa


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/7627492.stm

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