When is offside offside?

mike65

Is it when any part of the attacking players body is in line with any part of a defenders body?

Mike

Helix

in line is onside, behind the defender is not

amacachi

What about the "clear gap" thing? Does the gap have to be between all of the defender and all of the attacker, or just parts?

CHD

Depends on the linesman

ntlbell

mike65 wrote: »

Is it when any part of the attacking players body is in line with any part of a defenders body?

Mike

with the current standard of decision making or lack there of by linesmen does it really matter?

jesus_thats_gre

The clear light of day gap between players if complete crap.



You are quite simply offside if there is any part of your body that can score (leg or head basically) a goal is ahead of the last defender.


I am guessing this thread was prompted by Gerard's disallowed goal today. Torres was offside when the Gerard hit the ball initially and then interfered with play when he went for the ball while standing in front of the keeper and missed the ball.

mike65

Actually no (hadn't seen that yet) it was a goal in the Bolton/Arsenal game, Eboue I think it was, the goal stood. His trailing leg was level with the last mans trailing leg.

Mike

jesus_thats_gre

Eboue was defo offside!

OPENROAD

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Eboue was defo offside!

nice to get a decision.

Mr. Presentable

When it suits Fifa/Uefa.

Van Nistelrooj v Italy is a good example of this.

But, really, there is so much interpretation in the hands of the officials it's a very grey area.

Guy:Incognito

it's all a load of ****e. back to the old rule I say. if your off, your off. As it is, the linesman has to look at about 18 different things, it;s just not possible. Most is hit and hope from linesmen.

Third_Echelon

nipplenuts wrote: »

When it suits Fifa/Uefa.

Van Nistelrooj v Italy is a good example of this.

But, really, there is so much interpretation in the hands of the officials it's a very grey area.

The ref was 100% correct in that decision...

leninbenjamin

seems to be pretty much up to the ref these days.

FIFA.com wrote:

LAW 11 – OFFSIDE
Offside Position
It is not an offence in itself to be in an offside position.
A player is in an offside position if:
• he is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the
second last opponent
A player is not in an offside position if:
• he is in his own half of the field of play or
• he is level with the second last opponent or
• he is level with the last two opponents

Offence
A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the
ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of
the referee, involved in active play by:
• interfering with play or
• interfering with an opponent or
• gaining an advantage by being in that position

No Offence
There is no offside offence if a player receives the ball directly from:
• a goal kick
• a throw-in
• a corner kick

Infringements and Sanctions
In the event of an offside offence, the referee awards an indirect
free kick to the opposing team to be taken from the place where the
infringement occurred (see Law 13 – Position of Free Kick).

this bit is in the older handbooks, but doesn't seem to be in the new one, so i've no idea if it still applies or not.

FIFA.com wrote:

Decisions of the International F.A. Board
Decision 1
In the definition of offside position, “nearer to his opponents’ goal
line” means that any part of his head, body or feet is nearer to his
opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the second last opponent.
The arms are not included in this definition.
Decision 2
The definitions of elements of involvement in active play are as follows:
• Interfering with play means playing or touching the ball passed or
touched by a team-mate.
• Interfering with an opponent means preventing an opponent from
playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the
opponent’s line of vision or movements or making a gesture or
movement which, in the opinion of the referee, deceives or distracts
an opponent.
• Gaining an advantage by being in that position means playing a
ball that rebounds to him off a post or the crossbar having been
in an offside position or playing a ball that rebounds to him off an
opponent having been in an offside position.

amacachi

Why not just get rid of offside, would spread out the play a helluva a lot more.

mike65

No it wouldn't - there would be a bunch of Linekers in the 6 yard area waiting for the ball.

Mike.

leninbenjamin

mike65 wrote: »

No it wouldn't - there would be a bunch of Linekers in the 6 yard area waiting for the ball.

Mike.

the old name for them was 'kick throughs'

amacachi

Aye and a bunch of defenders back there. And the same at the other end. Players are spread out more.

Helix

amacachi wrote: »

Why not just get rid of offside, would spread out the play a helluva a lot more.

that wouldnt work, BUT i think at some stage in the future we might see a distance related change to the offside rule. as it stands you cant be offside behind the half way line, i wouldnt be surprised to see it pushed forwards, so maybe you cant be offside if youre further than 30 yards from goal

could work pretty well too

amacachi

Aye, was drunk when I said that last night and just thought I'd be pedantic now :P

I can't see what can be done to change the rule for the better tbh, any changes will just overcomplicate it, they can't even get the rules straight as it is.