3x01;02: The Second Coming; The Butterfly Effect **SPOILERS**

Overheal

I liked it a lot.

but one thing that really bothered me was the Sylar-Claire thing. Why didnt he just pin her up against the wall as soon as he got there? Incredibly Dumb.

And know we at least know Sylar doesn't eat the brains. Fun.

I was also really weirded out by that turtle.

Sherifu

Here's hoping for a decent season.

oleras

Good season premiers. Looking forward to the rest of them.

And WTF ? Angela Petrelli :

Sylars real mother ?

Stench Blossoms

oleras wrote: »

Good season premiers. Looking forward to the rest of them.

And WTF ? Angela Petrelli :

Sylars real mother ?

I thought she only wanted him to think she was his mother

Brilliant opening to the season. Can't wait for the next episode.

doonothing

Pretty good alright! Coulda done without a lot of the evil peter and tracy strauss crap though. Why doesn't Pete just morph and get the hell out of there?
The police video in the car of them going after Sylar was cool
I cringed so much when Matt started talking to the turtle, I thought heroes had hit a new low!
Good ep, looking forward to the next, for a change

Oh and Mohinder and Maya, just **** off already!

Overheal

That turtle was awesome. Shut up.

By the way if you missed any of it the premiere is being replayed on G4 tonight (USA Only).

Faith

I thoroughly enjoyed that! Great to see Sylar back on form, and loved the "Claire, that's disgusting" bit.

I think Heroes is back on form so far anyway.

Cina

Bloody hell, it's turning in to Lost, so many different plot elements and characters that it's becoming very confusing, especially having not seen the previous series since it first aired.

BArra

good start, dear god maya is hot

abelard

Thought it was very good on the whole, bar a few small things

As was said, the Claire/Sylar scene was a bit dumb, but ended well. It was small things that annoyed me about it - eg why Claire could't grow her skull back, why Sylar didn't hear her coming before she stabbed him, why he didn't just pull open the door with his powers etc etc. Just nitpicking I know, but how and ever. Also big plus point of the Claire story - no West!

Mohinder has been changed into a more interesting character. I was a bit unconvinced at him becoming suddenly hungry for powers when before it was always about finding a cure. It will be interesting to see what he becomes now, though, and if he'll become a villain, or devolve into some sort of beast.

Future Peter thing was a little confusing, but good on the whole. I guess one of the main arcs of the season will be him dealing with the consequences of changing the past, while Present Peter struggles with the crazies let loose from the Prison.

I wonder if Tracy is (was?) actually Nikki or not....? If not she must be some form of twin (ridiculous sounding I know). Or else someone else with a power of illusion or transformation. I thought at first it was just Nikki acting. Then Nikki with some sort of memory loss. Then some other split personality of Nikki. But the ice power was a bit of a surprise. It may have been a latent power of Nikki's all along (which would explain where Peter got the ice power at the end of season 1), but you never know.

Hiro and Ando's arc was a bit weak I thought, but hopefully will get better. Dunno if I like speed girl (daphne was it?) but her "boss" sounds more intriguing. The future vision was typically apocalyptic, but it was interesting to see Ando with a power.

Questions - did Linderman actually heal Nathan? It seems to be suggested that Nathan is just imagining him, but if so, who healed him?

And remind me, how did Noah end up in the prison too?

BArra

think he went to see sylar in the prison and sylar broke free but not before locking him in there, was near the end of season two

i wonder whats gonna happen to kirsten bells char now that she is out on her own...

but at least sylar didnt kill her

20 Times 20 Times

Am I the only one feeling slightly disappointed by the first two episodes ? I was expecting Heroes to come back with a bang. It failed to deliver for me. Now that is my personal opinion.

There was a few positives to take from the first two episodes though. I enjoyed the new bad guys at the end. I think these three/four will be essential to the progression of the show.

Linderman , The question here is : Is he just a figure of Nathans imagination or is he actually there. Should really try to phrase that question better.

Anyway , I shall be reserving judgement until i see the next couple of episodes.

Overheal

abelard wrote: »

no West!

abelard wrote: »

But the ice power was a bit of a surprise. It may have been a latent power of Nikki's all along (which would explain where Peter got the ice power at the end of season 1), but you never know.

Sylar got the Ice power in one of the webcomics, which is what he displayed for his mother. When he used it at the end of season 1 iirc that was when Peter inherited it.

Hiro and Ando's arc was a bit weak I thought, but hopefully will get better. Dunno if I like speed girl (daphne was it?) but her "boss" sounds more intriguing. The future vision was typically apocalyptic, but it was interesting to see Ando with a power.

On the contrary I found the Hiro arc to be great. They picked a good nemises for him.

Questions - did Linderman actually heal Nathan? It seems to be suggested that Nathan is just imagining him, but if so, who healed him?

Who the hell knows. Linderman is meant to be dead isnt he? Maybe his power made him into a living spirit.

And remind me, how did Noah end up in the prison too?

Im pretty sure that happened at the end of season 2.

Ri_Nollaig

it said "special guest star kristen bell", she not a main character any more?


actually, (from tv.com) next episode:
"Hrg Will Have A New Partner; Hiro & Ando Track Daphne To Germany; Tracy Strauss Searches For Answers About Niki; 4 New Villains Introduced"
Wonder who his new partner will be :rolleyes:

ixoy

Pretty enjoyable all round, bar the usual moments when you wonder why they didn't use their powers in a certain way.

Mohinder's perchance for idiocy never disappoints...

I assume Nikki's power is something to do with opposites - first it was herself and her mirror/opposite. Then she gets trapped in fire, so her power manifests itself in its opposite - ice.

Basq

Fell asleep during episode 1, didn't move onto episode 2. Not a good sign!

Will go back and watch them over the weekend but what I saw of episode 1 left me feeling all kinds of underwhelmed.

Ah well!

Mr E

Good theory ixoy.

Great episodes overall.... lots of nice glimpses of the future which are bound to come true in some form or another.

What bugged me the most - For Nathan's shooting at the start, why the f**k didn't the cops at the back of the audience not grab Peter? They were right beside him, he shot an unsilenced gun so it was obvious who did it, but they seemed more interested in rubbernecking....

krpc

Good episode(s) although a little convoluted; that said, it was to be expected as it sets up the plot for the season.

I'm hoping this season marks the end of Mohinder and his wh0re, as beautiful as she is.

calex71

can someone recap what happened to clair bennete's dad in season 2 i really cant remember, i just saw him in episode one and was liek awe yeah yer man with the glasses what happened to him at the end.

So far though feel totally meh about it , a lot of stuff that happened i felt like ahhhhhhhh why didnt i pick up on that in season 2 , but i guess its only obvious after it happens

Toto Wolfcastle

Just watched the first two episodes. Much better than Season 2, but that was to be expected I think!

The Mohinder story is the one thing I hated about the first 2 episodes. Hopefully it will get better or he will die because he's really starting to annoy me! (I wont hold my breath!)

calex71

janeybabe wrote: »

Just watched the first two episodes. Much better than Season 2, but that was to be expected I think!

The Mohinder story is the one thing I hated about the first 2 episodes. Hopefully it will get better or he will die because he's really starting to annoy me! (I wont hold my breath!)

yes i hope he's killed off soon as he super annoyed me too, seemed a little quick to switch him to the dark side really just like that, like oyu blink now he's bad and stoopid

Did anyone else think claire looked especially hot in the future?

krpc

calex71 wrote: »

can someone recap what happened to clair bennete's dad in season 2 i really cant remember, i just saw him in episode one and was liek awe yeah yer man with the glasses what happened to him at the end.

So far though feel totally meh about it , a lot of stuff that happened i felt like ahhhhhhhh why didnt i pick up on that in season 2 , but i guess its only obvious after it happens

Courtesy of Wikipedia.

In "Truth & Consequenes", second last episode of Season 2, Mohinder tells Noah Bennett that he was revived with Claire's blood and that Claire is at home, thinking he is dead. During the episode, with Noah still in the hands of The Company, Bob visits the Bennet's home with an urn telling them that it contains Noah's ashes.

In "Powerless", the last episode of Season 2, Noah returns to his family, clearly shocking them all as he is allegedly dead. He tells them that he was brought back using Claire's blood, and that he made a deal with The Company which will allow his family to lead a normal life with one condition—he must stay with the company. Noah then leaves his family.

Cue Season 3.

calex71

i-bloodhound wrote: »

Courtesy of Wikipedia.

In "Truth & Consequenes", second last episode of Season 2, Mohinder tells Noah Bennett that he was revived with Claire's blood and that Claire is at home, thinking he is dead. During the episode, with Noah still in the hands of The Company, Bob visits the Bennet's home with an urn telling them that it contains Noah's ashes.

In "Powerless", the last episode of Season 2, Noah returns to his family, clearly shocking them all as he is allegedly dead. He tells them that he was brought back using Claire's blood, and that he made a deal with The Company which will allow his family to lead a normal life with one condition—he must stay with the company. Noah then leaves his family.

Cue Season 3.

Ah ok so im not the only one wondering how he got to wher ehe is in s3 :pac:

For me the Niki Sanders line is the most interesting so far as is parkman's maybe as theres more mystery to those

krpc

calex71 wrote: »

Ah ok so im not the only one wondering how he got to wher ehe is in s3 :pac:

For me the Niki Sanders line is the most interesting so far as is parkman's maybe as theres more mystery to those

Indeed; regarding Parkman - the age old mystery of who ate all the pies is on the verge of being solved :pac:

Regarding Niki, I'm not sure if this is known or not about Niki and her abilities etc, so if you do not want to know or haven't figured it out/guessed something along these lines, do not read the following.

Niki's body contains alternate personalities. Each personality has a different ability. So, one can assume Tracy Strauss has taken control as the prominent personality and therefore would/could have a separate power to that of the personalities of Jessica, Niki, Gina.

calex71

i-bloodhound wrote: »

Indeed; regarding Parkman - the age old mystery of who ate all the pies is on the verge of being solved :pac:

Regarding Niki, I'm not sure if this is known or not about Niki and her abilities etc, so if you do not want to know or haven't figured it out/guessed something along these lines, do not read the following.

Niki's body contains alternate personalities. Each personality has a different ability. So, one can assume Tracy Strauss has taken control as the prominent personality and therefore would/could have a separate power to that of the personalities of Jessica, Niki, Gina.

this is exactly why i think she's the most interesting

Agamemnon

Two great episodes, they're keeping the plot pumping along nicely this season. Having a gang of villains to fight will give new life to the show, after two seasons of the heroes mostly fighting Sylar.

The new direction for Mohinder is a welcome change - hopefully he'll evolve into a time-travelling, talking turtle and that really was him talking to Parkman. The serum that gave him his powers will presumably give Ando his as well. Wonder what would happen if someone who already had powers took it?

Weird new direction for Nikki though - wonder what happened to Micah and Monica? Were they killed when the building blew up? Fingers crossed.

Best of all, Claire is back in my life! \o/

Double C

basquille wrote: »

Fell asleep during episode 1, didn't move onto episode 2. Not a good sign!

Me too, but I watched ep 2 and it held my attention alot better than the first one.

Plenty of interesting stuff going on, especially the Sylar bits. Mohinder can definitely fùck off as soon as possible, although he did do the best thing he's done in any episode so far, namely Maya

Anyone notice Marlo from the Wire in there? I also saw Andre Royo's (Bubbles) name credited but didn't notice him in the episode at all!

krpc

Agamemnon wrote: »

Two great episodes, they're keeping the plot pumping along nicely this season. Having a gang of villains to fight will give new life to the show, after two seasons of the heroes mostly fighting Sylar.

The new direction for Mohinder is a welcome change - hopefully he'll evolve into a time-travelling, talking turtle and that really was him talking to Parkman. The serum that gave him his powers will presumably give Ando his as well. Wonder what would happen if someone who already had powers took it?

Weird new direction for Nikki though - wonder what happened to Micah and Monica? Were they killed when the building blew up? Fingers crossed.

Best of all, Claire is back in my life! \o/

I think Monica might have gone ka-boom. Micah wasn't in the building though and is credited in the episodes. Sorry, Agamemnon

CodeMonkey

Agamemnon wrote: »

Weird new direction for Nikki though - wonder what happened to Micah and Monica? Were they killed when the building blew up? Fingers crossed.

How the hell did they go from her being blown up to being an important aid to some senator? Tracy Strauss has been there in that position for a while, got the nick name ice queen cause of her personality and got ice powers. That can't be Nikki.

The two episodes were too convoluted and became very boring like season 2. So many dumb moments with characters acting out of character or just not using their powers intelligently.

Mohinder acts like an idiot and that's even before he injected himself. Nathan acts like an idiot who found god. Hiro acts like an immature idiot. Claire is a now an emo. Sylar's now going to be Angela's puppy who'd be used against the other bad guys judging from her vision. The new escaped villains are just evil caricatures, boring. Mr. Bennett playing the hero for no reason cause the company would most likely go after the escapees. Oh and the real Peter is disabled...again...boring.

Overheal

Intriguing Nikki Sanders theory there about alternat personalities.

Dord

Episode 2 was definitely better than 1. I can't wait til the next one.

leninbenjamin

it did enough for me to probably continue watching the series, but it still contains the exact same problems series 2 did. again characters acting weird and out of context with their usual personalities and abilities, and so many different plots that it becomes hard to watch in places.

i also thought there was a severe lack of originality in some of the scenes, kinda comes across as a modern interpretation of Xmen i think...

i mean the German and that whole gang, it's exactly the same as Magneto and his villains.

Maya is the character that causes me the most grief. so hot, yet such a badly written character i can hardly watch at times...

why would she bed Mohindar when she was revolted by his behaviour in earlier scenes?

also, Mohindar = the new Beast.

also, the time travel thing has got to stop. at least tone it down. so many plot holes,

why doesn't Hiro just go back in time and replace the formula with a fake in the safe and then let it all play out?

i'll keep watching cause it's quite entertaining when you stop trying to analyse it, but it's far from the show that had so much promise in season 1

AlmightyCushion

Why didn't Peter just go back in time about 10 minutes before nathan gives his speech and tell him not to yap on about their powers as it fúcks everything up? The future changes and he doesn't have to kill his brother. Everyone's happy.

Ivan

If you really want to nitpick, you'll find alot wrong with television shows. In most cases though, you can make up some reason. Like star trek or something; plug plot holes with some techno babble, or call it fate or divine will, whatever.

If you cant enjoy a show, for the story, then maybe it just isnt for you

I found the first 2 episodes really very good. The second being better than the first.
One of the things I've always loved about the characters in heroes, is each of them has a dark side. Super-heroes and by extension, super-villains have a nasty habit of being one dimensional. They are wholesomely good, or insanely evil. Heroes has found a middle ground and for that, I love it.

Claire cant regenerate large patches of tissue, we've never seen anything to contradict that. When she was cut open, she folded the skin over and it regenerated. In the glimpse of the future she has her head cut or broken off and she is clearly dead or disabled, presumably until such time as her head is re-attached. Therefore, she couldnt re-attach her head but would probably lie there until such time as someone found her and put he skull top back on so she could regenerate.

Peter couldnt go back to before the speech and ask nathan not to reveal their secret because he probably wouldnt have been able to change his mind. And in a desperate situation as he clearly was in, the simplest, most effective option is usually the first option.

Regarding Peter and his new body, I'm confused as to how that is going to be played out. Is the original character still there or is he merely going to be used as a substitute for peter.

Matt's scenes got interesting for the first time since I dont know when.

If future Ando had powers, despite Hiro still having the half of the formula (whatever it is) does that mean that Mohinders research grants people super-powers in the future?

Mrs. Petrelli is such an interesting character now that we know a little bit about her. Her comments about Peter's first powers confused me for a few minutes, until I remembered the dream sequences, very good.

All in all, a quality outing that answers some questions and asks alot more, but for once, I dont feel cheated.

Oh and how cool was it when Sylar made his gun gold?

lostexpectation

what is it the sylar does to take people powers?

I enjoyed them both, but am worried about the whole

ma-petrelli-is-Sylers-ma-thing. Could it be a powers thing?

leninbenjamin

lostexpectation wrote: »

what is it the sylar does to take people powers?

I think it goes back to the whole being a watch maker thing; he can figure out how things tick i.e. just look at the brain and watch the nerve endngs fire to see how people's powers work

Basq

I did notice Weevil from Veronica Mars pop up shouting "I'm Peter Petrelli" at the end of episode 1.. will re-watch them tonight!

Cabaal

Great double episode, I'd say its done alot to renew alot of people's faith in Heroes in general especially after the poor start of Season 2.

As for syler, yes he "takes" powers by using his power which allows him to figure out how things work

Cabaal

Ivan wrote: »

Claire cant regenerate large patches of tissue, we've never seen anything to contradict that. When she was cut open, she folded the skin over and it regenerated. In the glimpse of the future she has her head cut or broken off and she is clearly dead or disabled, presumably until such time as her head is re-attached. Therefore, she couldnt re-attach her head but would probably lie there until such time as someone found her and put he skull top back on so she could regenerate.

But as with other characters her powers have increased over time,

Cabaal

leninbenjamin wrote: »

also, the time travel thing has got to stop. at least tone it down. so many plot holes,

why doesn't Hiro just go back in time and replace the formula with a fake in the safe and then let it all play out?

Maybe he does do this but he hasn't done it yet so he doesn't know he did it,

KevIRL

Top marks from me anyway. A much stronger start than season 1 and season 2, which can only mean good things.

As an aside why do people continue to put spoilers into posts in a thread which has ***SPOILERS*** in the title. Particulary as the 'spoilers' are about the episode being discussed and not future episodes.

11811

Ivan wrote: »

Claire cant regenerate large patches of tissue, we've never seen anything to contradict that. When she was cut open, she folded the skin over and it regenerated. In the glimpse of the future she has her head cut or broken off and she is clearly dead or disabled, presumably until such time as her head is re-attached. Therefore, she couldnt re-attach her head but would probably lie there until such time as someone found her and put he skull top back on so she could regenerate.

didn't her toe grow back when she cut it off?

but yeah i see your point about plot-holes, its a show, a very enjoyable one at that, loved the new episodes, so far much better than season 2

gazzer

CodeMonkey wrote: »

How the hell did they go from her being blown up to being an important aid to some senator? Tracy Strauss has been there in that position for a while, got the nick name ice queen cause of her personality and got ice powers. That can't be Nikki..

That bugged me as well. Episodes 1 and 2 were only set a few days after the events of the season 2 finale. How is Nikki/Tracey so immersed in a politicians life already? Unless some type of mind magic has been done

User45701

BArra wrote: »

good start, dear god maya is hot

i still want her dead andout of the season very annoying charactor butthat could just be memories of season 2 - her demanour seems to have changed aswell as her posture and attitutide and accent.

abelard wrote: »

Thought it was very good on the whole, bar a few small things

As was said, the Claire/Sylar scene was a bit dumb, but ended well. It was small things that annoyed me about it - eg why Claire could't grow her skull back, why Sylar didn't hear her coming before she stabbed him, why he didn't just pull open the door with his powers etc etc. Just nitpicking I know, but how and ever. Also big plus point of the Claire story - no West!

Agree on every point, i said every point (remember when she was on front of the train? i screamed ****ing **** is back when he swept in to save her but im just glad it wasent west)

abelard wrote: »

I wonder if Tracy is (was?) actually Nikki or not....? If not she must be some form of twin (ridiculous sounding I know). Or else someone else with a power of illusion or transformation. I thought at first it was just Nikki acting. Then Nikki with some sort of memory loss. Then some other split personality of Nikki. But the ice power was a bit of a surprise. It may have been a latent power of Nikki's all along (which would explain where Peter got the ice power at the end of season 1), but you never know.

Hmm, we learnt in this episode that each person has a differnet power/reaction to having powers. Its possible that each split personality within nikki/jessica/Tracy each would product different levels of Seratonan & adrenaline depending on your personality. - just a guess. Besides that i dont think its nikki because i dont think it will be comman for anyone besides a small small few to have more than one power.

abelard wrote: »

Questions - did Linderman actually heal Nathan? It seems to be suggested that Nathan is just imagining him, but if so, who healed him?

I dont know but it was simmilar to peters experience with wildmore? oh no wait is that the guy in lost? who is the guy who peter was taking care of in season 1 then went back to at the end of season 1 and could hear/talk/interect with him in the past?

Power seemed allot like that.

ixoy wrote: »

I assume Nikki's power is something to do with opposites - first it was herself and her mirror/opposite. Then she gets trapped in fire, so her power manifests itself in its opposite - ice.

Hmm - Very interesting i had forgotten she was in t he fire.

In any case its no coincidence that Jessica served Linderman and now "Tracy" serves someone who has the same goal as dead and "spirit linderman" to get Nathan into a positition of power.

abelard wrote: »

Mohinder has been changed into a more interesting character. I was a bit unconvinced at him becoming suddenly hungry for powers when before it was always about finding a cure. It will be interesting to see what he becomes now, though, and if he'll become a villain, or devolve into some sort of beast.

?

I think he is going spider/insect because his strgenth has increased and so has his agality & he can climb walls

Mr E wrote: »

Good theory ixoy.

Great episodes overall.... lots of nice glimpses of the future which are bound to come true in some form or another.

What bugged me the most - For Nathan's shooting at the start, why the f**k didn't the cops at the back of the audience not grab Peter? They were right beside him, he shot an unsilenced gun so it was obvious who did it, but they seemed more interested in rubbernecking....

I assumed invisibality? we know peter could see your man when they where both invisible 1st season

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Overheal

KevIRL wrote: »

Top marks from me anyway. A much stronger start than season 1 and season 2, which can only mean good things.

As an aside why do people continue to put spoilers into posts in a thread which has ***SPOILERS*** in the title. Particulary as the 'spoilers' are about the episode being discussed and not future episodes.

people still jump in to see the poll results, first impressions, etc.

regarding nikki and the senator wasnt she missing for most of volume 2?

mewso

I thought both episodes were ok. I must have a look at some of the first episodes from season 1 because I don't remember things moving along at 100 miles per hour. It's the worst thing about it is you get maybe 30 seconds before it moves on to someone else. Far too fast.

Gummy Panda

why did future peter have a scar on his face when he can regen?

4Xcut

Gummy Panda wrote: »

why did future peter have a scar on his face when he can regen?

To look badass.

eVeNtInE

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lostexpectation

Cabaal wrote: »

Great double episode, I'd say its done alot to renew alot of people's faith in Heroes in general especially after the poor start of Season 2.

As for syler, yes he "takes" powers by using his power which allows him to figure out how things work

so why does he need to take off their head and find a particular point on their brain, and he touched it ,took something from it??