Obama gets some advice...

Ludo

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/opinion/21dowd-sorkin.html?em



I think it is time for me to break out my WW dvds again...I miss it.

Otacon

If only Obama actually took it...

"GET ANGRIER! Call them liars, because that’s what they are. Sarah Palin didn’t say “thanks but no thanks” to the Bridge to Nowhere. She just said “Thanks.” You were raised by a single mother on food stamps — where does a guy with eight houses who was legacied into Annapolis get off calling you an elitist? And by the way, if you do nothing else, take that word back. Elite is a good word, it means well above average. I’d ask them what their problem is with excellence. While you’re at it, I want the word “patriot” back. McCain can say that the transcendent issue of our time is the spread of Islamic fanaticism or he can choose a running mate who doesn’t know the Bush doctrine from the Monroe Doctrine, but he can’t do both at the same time and call it patriotic. They have to lie — the truth isn’t their friend right now. Get angry. Mock them mercilessly; they’ve earned it. McCain decried agents of intolerance, then chose a running mate who had to ask if she was allowed to ban books from a public library. It’s not bad enough she thinks the planet Earth was created in six days 6,000 years ago complete with a man, a woman and a talking snake, she wants schools to teach the rest of our kids to deny geology, anthropology, archaeology and common sense too? It’s not bad enough she’s forcing her own daughter into a loveless marriage to a teenage hood, she wants the rest of us to guide our daughters in that direction too? It’s not enough that a woman shouldn’t have the right to choose, it should be the law of the land that she has to carry and deliver her rapist’s baby too? I don’t know whether or not Governor Palin has the tenacity of a pit bull, but I know for sure she’s got the qualifications of one. And you’re worried about seeming angry? You could eat their lunch, make them cry and tell their mamas about it and God himself would call it restrained. There are times when you are simply required to be impolite. There are times when condescension is called for!"

Black Swan

Humour is the ultimate weapon!

is_that_so

Some more advice for both and given recent circumstances the more presidential either comes across the better. Neither to date have. As the article observes there is nothing wrong with saying "I are sorry but we really need to raise taxes because of where we find ourselves. All the goodies we promised are not going to happen yet."

I reckon first Government appointment is likely to be the current "president" Hank Paulson.

If the events of recent days prove anything, it is that we cannot believe a word that John McCain or Barack Obama has said about what he will do as president. It's not that they have lied. Simply put, the underlying premise of everything the candidates have proposed -- that the economy is fundamentally sound -- is no longer operational.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/19/AR2008091903185.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Amusing all the same how the "inconsequential" Ms Palin is showing up in pretty much every thread.

banquo

Aaron Sorkin is the best goddamn dialogue writer out there bar none. This piece is just another in a line of examples.

Ludo

is_that_so wrote: »

Some more advice for both and given recent circumstances the more presidential either comes across the better. Neither to date have. As the article observes there is nothing wrong with saying "I are sorry but we really need to raise taxes because of where we find ourselves. All the goodies we promised are not going to happen yet."

I reckon first Government appointment is likely to be the current "president" Hank Paulson.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/19/AR2008091903185.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

That is a very good article. Pity though that there is no hope of either candidate doing it as they would immediately lose as the article says.

Otacon

is_that_so wrote: »

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/19/AR2008091903185.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

I'll just take the very next paragraph to the one you quoted...

"The candidates know that the economy needs help. Obama in particular has made clear that he believes that average people are hurting and need additional government assistance. McCain has been less willing to say so lest it reflect badly on the policies of George W. Bush, whose party he represents."

BTW, can you link to where Obama said 'the economy is fundementally sound', as this quote from the article seems to suggest he must have?

"Simply put, the underlying premise of everything the candidates have proposed -- that the economy is fundamentally sound -- is no longer operational."

is_that_so

Otacon wrote: »

I'll just take the very next paragraph to the one you quoted...

"The candidates know that the economy needs help. Obama in particular has made clear that he believes that average people are hurting and need additional government assistance. McCain has been less willing to say so lest it reflect badly on the policies of George W. Bush, whose party he represents."

BTW, can you link to where Obama said 'the economy is fundementally sound', as this quote from the article seems to suggest he must have?

"Simply put, the underlying premise of everything the candidates have proposed -- that the economy is fundamentally sound -- is no longer operational."

It doesn't suggest that at all. The logic of what he says is implied in the sentence and the highlighted word.
Written like this it is easier to read.

"Simply put, the underlying premise that the economy is fundamentally sound which is the basis of everything the candidates have proposed, is now no longer operational."

In other words ,if the economy were sound then their policies would have a chance of being implemented but now it isn't so they can't.

alastair

Both candidates tax/finance policy proposals are based on revenue projections that don't make any sense any more. In that respect they're both selling economic hokum.

Overheal

Otacon wrote: »

If only Obama actually took it...

"GET ANGRIER! Call them liars, because that’s what they are. Sarah Palin didn’t say “thanks but no thanks” to the Bridge to Nowhere. She just said “Thanks.” You were raised by a single mother on food stamps — where does a guy with eight houses who was legacied into Annapolis get off calling you an elitist? And by the way, if you do nothing else, take that word back. Elite is a good word, it means well above average. I’d ask them what their problem is with excellence. While you’re at it, I want the word “patriot” back. McCain can say that the transcendent issue of our time is the spread of Islamic fanaticism or he can choose a running mate who doesn’t know the Bush doctrine from the Monroe Doctrine, but he can’t do both at the same time and call it patriotic. They have to lie — the truth isn’t their friend right now. Get angry. Mock them mercilessly; they’ve earned it. McCain decried agents of intolerance, then chose a running mate who had to ask if she was allowed to ban books from a public library. It’s not bad enough she thinks the planet Earth was created in six days 6,000 years ago complete with a man, a woman and a talking snake, she wants schools to teach the rest of our kids to deny geology, anthropology, archaeology and common sense too? It’s not bad enough she’s forcing her own daughter into a loveless marriage to a teenage hood, she wants the rest of us to guide our daughters in that direction too? It’s not enough that a woman shouldn’t have the right to choose, it should be the law of the land that she has to carry and deliver her rapist’s baby too? I don’t know whether or not Governor Palin has the tenacity of a pit bull, but I know for sure she’s got the qualifications of one. And you’re worried about seeming angry? You could eat their lunch, make them cry and tell their mamas about it and God himself would call it restrained. There are times when you are simply required to be impolite. There are times when condescension is called for!"

Im Overheal and I disapprove of this oversized paragraph!

Ludo

Better than a bloody LongCat