McLaren appeal ruled Inadmissible

ven0m

Catcher86 wrote: »

First of all whats the difference, its insulting either way.



If you watched the interview before the '07 Monaco GP on ITV you would have heard him say " I am better off at the front and away from the monkeys at the back" with regards to turn 1.

I suppose now you are going to tell me that you watched it on Setanta, except they made reference to at the next GP in Canada, but I suppose you were watching it on ITV that day.
Moreover it was well documented on online F1 sites and forums at the time.

Sorry, I am not disputing he used a reference with monkey in it, but if you are going to quote someone, either state the exact quote, or state you're paraphrasing. Also, not a singe person stated the tone in which he made the comment. I've seen alot of his comments in print & the way they are portrayed, only to see the footage of them & the printed version being a total injustice to the spirit, manner & tone he used in what he was saying.

So get off your high horse.

vectra

LIGHTNING wrote: »

He never won a wc fairly? Are you taking the p*ss? You dont win 91 races and 7 championship by cheating or whatever you think he did, he won them because he is one of the greatest ever racing drivers of all time. Ask anybody in the F1 paddock and they will say the same thing. Granted not all of them will admit the like the man but thats a different thing.

BY NOT CHEATING YOU SAY...??
I am surprised you forgot to mention something like the time he TOOK HILL out to win the WC.

Did he not try it again with Villenouve ??

How many wins did Irvine..Barichello & Massa hand over to him to secure his crown..

How amny times was Barichello sent out in qualifying so as Schumacher could literally draft off him to gain that extra few MPH to try to get pole when Barichello himself could have had it? :rolleyes:


OH
Maybe you are right .. maybe he and Ferrari just "SLIGHTLY BENT" the rules to suit him.
Amazing how GOOD Schumacher is and couldnt beat Alonso when push came to shove :P

v10 wrote: »

He did win the championship last year fair enough, I never said he wasn't a good driver or inapable of winning a championship but I genuinely believe if Schumacher was in Kimi's car last year he would have scored far more points that Kimi managed.

an off season ? is that what it is ? maybe he's actually only a good driver and not a great driver ?

Schumacher possibly would have scored more points than Kimi last year without a doupt..
WHY??
Simply because it took Kimi time to adjust to

A) The Transition from Michelin to Bridgestone

The Transition from Short wheelbase Mclaren to Long Wheelbase Ferrari

Both aspects of which Schumacher would be familiar with.
Then again..
Wasnt schumacher a waste of space for his last 2 seasons with Ferrari when along came kimi and won the title straight out..??

Does that not suggest anything to you?

One other thing
Kimi has had his share of problems this year.
Ferrari have stated they have found the problem with their car in the wet.
lets wait and see.

Scenario.
Kimi wins the next 2 races with Massa finishing out of the points and Lewis developing HIS SHARE of bad luck

Would make an interesting championship end

And dont say "That cant happen"
We all know anything can happen in this sport

Catcher86

ven0m wrote: »

Except you forget several facts.

3. Lewis has never referred to anyone as a 'grid monkey' & ...

ven0m wrote: »

Sorry, I am not disputing he used a reference with monkey in it...

I think its you who needs to jump down beside us, not me. I've done nothing but state fact. I am not interested in getting personal.

Edwardius

Re the race card: One of the reader comments on crash.net went as follows: "the FIA want to ensure that a black man will never win the WDC". It's only a matter of time before the sun starts something similar, possibly adding mosely's naked practicing of the german accent as "evidence" of racism :rolleyes:

Grim.

ah the comments on crash.net i always look at them for laughs so much trolling and no moderators

Oblomov

And dont say "That cant happen"
We all know anything can happen in this sport

I'll speak to the script writers

ven0m

Hey, I'll just be happy as a pig in s**t that someone like Mass can/could win a word championship, considering he was such a crashalot kamikaze in a Sauber years ago, shows someone who has learned & put the time & effort in.

Either way, I've had a happy two years of races & championships for the first time where a number of people could have walked home with the big one, & everyone should be thankful for that.

Again, the think with Villeneuve in the Williams when he raced alongside Hill, yes that was another 'bloody impressive' debut season (I probably enjoyed HIS debut F-1 year more than any other drivers I've seen, & also because he was not afraid to open his mouth & say how great he thought he was!)

The sooner F-1 shakes off it's trend the last few years of 'PC' drivers, the better. God I miss the days of Eddie & his 'spongey brake pedal', or Villenueve's legendary outbursts in Driver conferences, or Montoya's inability to play nice with anyone.

Even DC has maaged to shake off his 'play nice' tag as he's gotten older.

The decision from the FIA, still alot of ropyness around it & still alot of stuff that as someone who's supported F1 for years, travelled to races all over the world still has me going 'WTF'.

Edwardius

Grim. wrote: »

ah the comments on crash.net i always look at them for laughs so much trolling and no moderators

Lol, they're right up with youtube comments! That site has gone to the dogs of late.

vectra

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Im sorry mate but your a complete clown if you think he only won the 7 WC due to either a) cheating or b)pushing people off the track. Sure he did some dodgy things on the track so have plenty of other drivers. Remember Senna ramming prost in Suzuka.

You nor anyone else in this universe can stand up and say he wont all of those 7 on his own merit.. YOU are a CLOWN of the highest degree if you think so .

By the way.
We are are not talking Senna quality here. He is a legend that will NEVER be matched

vectra

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Yes Schumacher only won his 7 titles due to cheating or pushing people off the track. Go back to your rocking chair mate and keep dreaming! You are the only person I have ever heard saying such crazy things. And considering the I work in the Motor Racing industry thats saying a lot. Most of my mates dont like the chap but wouldnt say what you think as they have more sense.

Please point out to me where exactly i stated he won the FULL 7 TITLES due to cheating or pushing people off the track??
I couldnt care less what you work at.. Maybe you have your head stuck so far up your teammate Ar$se that you dont know what is going on around you as you already DID state that you held up other RACERS so as your teammate could beat them .. CHEATER YOURSELF :rolleyes:

vectra

LIGHTNING wrote: »

As above "he never won a wc fair and square". Can I ask do you have any motor sport history? Because you come across as somebody who thinks the F1 is all gentleman racing and should comprise of the drivers driving the track wearing googles and scarfs waving at each other.

Rich comments coming from a number two driver ( you helping the better driver in the team )

triple h

McLaren appeal ruled Inadmissible

I have said this before and i will most likely be saying it again before the end of the year ---- Ron Dennis should move over to the Indy Racing League, it is as clear as daylight that the FIA have something against McLaren.

A message for Ron Dennis --- the IRL have some sort of a charity race ( or god knows what, i forget what kind of race it is) around the 26th of october, why don't you go to it and have a look around, talk to the teams and Tony himself, you never know ..........

amacachi

:rolleyes:

Manic Moran

Even football has professional adjudicators - F1 has no professional adjudicators at events, apart from Charlie.

This was discussed on the American broadcast. Apparently it had been contemplated, but the current system was deemed to be more fair. The problem was that they couldn't find enough F1 professionals who knew the job but who were not associated with having come up through any particular team or driver, so they wouldn't be able to make a single decision without someone claiming favouritism on the part of one or more of the Stewards. At least with the current setup, it would be hard to say that the head of the Singapore Circuit Stewards was biased towards team X because he used to be their technical director, or was an X drivers' manager or something. Thus there is no definitive standardisation between tracks, but it is fair.

NTM

Oblomov

The comment of not being able to find unbiased but expeienced people at a race meeting only shows a lack both understanding and knowledge of organisation of racing circuits.

F1 brings it own complete event organisation, the stewards are drawn from the national motor sport organisation but within the circuit will provide Scrutineers both national and international, Marshals, of all grades. They all come from different trades and professions, and all conversant with the rules.
The clerk of the course, normally, employed at both National and international meeting could adjudicate, again, Secretary of the meeting, Race Directors all with extensive knowledge and immense practcal expereince

The clerks of the course usually dispenses justice and fines at meetings with a speed and expertise to be admired.

Mitch Connor

Oblomov wrote: »

The comment of not being able to find unbiased but expeienced people at a race meeting only shows a lack both understanding and knowledge of organisation of racing circuits.

F1 brings it own complete event organisation, the stewards are drawn from the national motor sport organisation but within the circuit will provide Scrutineers both national and international, Marshals, of all grades. They all come from different trades and professions, and all conversant with the rules.
The clerk of the course, normally, employed at both National and international meeting could adjudicate, again, Secretary of the meeting, Race Directors all with extensive knowledge and immense practcal expereince

The clerks of the course usually dispenses justice and fines at meetings with a speed and expertise to be admired.

The comment didn't say race people, it said F1 professionals.

FrostyJack

The comment of not being able to find unbiased but expeienced people at a race meeting only shows a lack both understanding and knowledge of organisation of racing circuits.

So what your saying is lets get say an Italian steward an English one and a French one... then if Hamilton drives over everyone in the pits and shoots Massa, when he gets penalised you can say well the Italian and the French guy are biased because hamilton is English. No thanks, the system is fine, it's the cheating drivers and rules that need to be amended.