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Short pre-party discussion on occultism, shamanism, language, time, determinism etc.
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23-09-2008 6:30pm#1The following short, radical conversation was held between me and a mate before a party. I thought it would be interesting to post it here and see what happens.
(16:46:42) Offering to send BurnedBooks.mp3 to CHRISCHRIST
(16:48:00) CHRISCHRIST: http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/cATZSHfl_TgL7vSn1mAjaiw3Hx6HOT4DznlgKYy8vD-0WciTXTY3PWpaGuFohEV0LphLYmowfdfwH-7ATuOXkW-3vdtaK6R-bZYwf-xelAUsEDP4c0H6nSNccKDERTIHrJpyxcPM/what%20is%20magick.txt
(16:48:04) CHRISCHRIST: dunno if yell get in
(16:48:12) CHRISCHRIST: but that Golden dawn yahoo forum
(16:48:18) CHRISCHRIST: has some really weird text files
(16:48:21) Dissident: hehe
(16:48:26) CHRISCHRIST: alot of good reading no doubt
(16:48:30) CHRISCHRIST: just joind ten mins ago
(16:48:32) Dissident: magick is what can't be explained my science
(16:48:41) CHRISCHRIST: lmaoo
(16:48:42) CHRISCHRIST: indeed
(16:49:22) CHRISCHRIST: Or what science explains to be unexplainable
(16:49:40) Dissident: exactly
(16:50:42) Dissident: i remeber the pagans saying to me "remember the feeling of the first time you discovered magick and hold onto that feeling"
(16:50:43) Dissident: lmfao
(16:50:50) CHRISCHRIST: Ahh
(16:50:52) CHRISCHRIST: lethal
(16:51:14) CHRISCHRIST: Its like a weird stare into the sky.. eyes gleaming with nothingness..
(16:51:18) CHRISCHRIST: just pure thought
(16:51:22) Dissident: im going to have a feat and loathing style weekend
(16:51:35) Dissident: yeah cloud watching
(16:51:40) Dissident: great passtime
(16:51:42) CHRISCHRIST: lmfaoo
(16:51:44) CHRISCHRIST: ME 2
(16:51:51) CHRISCHRIST: ill be lying out back wwwapeed
(16:52:43) Dissident: if you wanna travel through universal thought, dimensions and in a way time then let me know!
(16:52:44) Dissident: lmfao
(16:52:51) Dissident: im turning shaman
(16:52:53) Dissident: lol
(16:52:55) CHRISCHRIST: hahah
(16:53:11) CHRISCHRIST: Man you cant turn shaman
(16:53:15) CHRISCHRIST: you already where
(16:53:19) CHRISCHRIST: simple
(16:53:32) CHRISCHRIST: its like were only learning what we already knew
(16:53:33) CHRISCHRIST: #lmfaoo
(16:53:44) Dissident: very true
(16:53:51) Dissident: i see it like this
(16:54:04) Dissident: when you discover this information you experiance the stages of death
(16:54:23) CHRISCHRIST: hmm
(16:54:24) Dissident: if your strong enough you'll transcend the ego
(16:54:36) Dissident: and be able to interact with the um
(16:54:41) Dissident: matrix if ye will
(16:54:56) CHRISCHRIST: indeed man..
(16:55:13) CHRISCHRIST: Its like How people are afraid to say what they want or mean..
(16:55:19) CHRISCHRIST: because of the ego..
(16:55:21) Dissident: increasingly
(16:55:27) CHRISCHRIST: truth is simple. and beautiful
(16:55:37) Dissident: the ego is a door
(16:55:45) Dissident: i've shot some bullets through mine
(16:55:49) Dissident: so i can have a peak through
(16:55:56) Dissident: i could kick it through now if i wanted lol
(16:56:22) Dissident: mightn't be the best idea tho
(16:57:18) Dissident: brb
(16:58:00) CHRISCHRIST: np bud
(16:58:47) CHRISCHRIST: yes dog.. beware casting out you deamons.. you may e getting rid of the best part of you..
(17:00:46) Transfer of file BurnedBooks.mp3 complete
(17:15:35) Dissident: i don't do that ****
(17:15:50) Dissident: banishing or the likes
(17:18:57) CHRISCHRIST: Lolol
(17:19:01) CHRISCHRIST: just back got me dinner
(17:19:05) CHRISCHRIST: what ye saying..
(17:19:21) Dissident: saying that i don't do rituals so i don't do banishments
(17:19:37) CHRISCHRIST: true like..
(17:19:42) Dissident: besides i believe the entities are good
(17:19:50) CHRISCHRIST: So i dont love.. in turn i cannot hate
(17:20:01) CHRISCHRIST: Positive negative
(17:20:03) CHRISCHRIST: hm
(17:20:11) Dissident: theres a certian tribe in the amazon who punch eachother in the chest and knock eachother over after they take ayahausa
(17:20:29) Dissident: because when you take it you see the enities coming in and out of your chest
(17:20:35) Dissident: the idea is to force them to stay in
(17:20:42) Dissident: and absorb there engery
(17:20:48) Dissident: why would i want to banish them?
(17:20:51) Dissident: lol
(17:21:48) Dissident: or lets do it irish style, if you manage to get fairies on your side you don't tell them to **** off
(17:21:49) Dissident: lol
(17:22:07) CHRISCHRIST: lmaooo
(17:22:26) Dissident: you can see that im not big on the occult lol
(17:22:48) Dissident: i like my botanical consiousness-altering devices and my tarot
(17:22:51) Dissident: lol
(17:22:53) CHRISCHRIST: thats very philisophical mate..
(17:23:05) CHRISCHRIST: Dissident - You can't stop an idea whose time has come says:
or lets do it irish style, if you manage to get fairies on your side you don't tell them to **** off
(17:23:19) CHRISCHRIST: Seems were always doing that..
(17:23:19) Dissident:
(17:23:24) CHRISCHRIST: as in the populatin
(17:23:39) Dissident: its outside of the flocks control
(17:23:50) Dissident: think about this one
(17:24:18) Dissident: the moon, sun stars etc all have an effect on the planet and the organisms that dwell on this planet
(17:24:57) Dissident: wouldn't us putting metallic objects into orbit do the same thing?
(17:26:51) CHRISCHRIST: yea.. man
(17:27:04) CHRISCHRIST: everything is controled by cause and effect
(17:27:08) CHRISCHRIST: emphisis on everything
(17:27:12) CHRISCHRIST: lolol
(17:27:13) Dissident: determinism
(17:27:17) CHRISCHRIST: ahhha
(17:27:21) CHRISCHRIST: I agree
(17:27:25) Dissident: see i believe the past is merely a fading memory of the now
(17:27:32) CHRISCHRIST: Hmm
(17:27:43) Dissident: or even that time is fractal and that we are being pulled towards the future
(17:27:54) CHRISCHRIST: Well.. i see what yer saying...
(17:28:10) CHRISCHRIST: dETERMINISM.. IS in essence.. e
(17:28:14) Dissident: but as you know its hard to paint that picture due to the constrains of language
(17:28:18) Dissident: or limits of
(17:28:33) CHRISCHRIST: giving us life out of a continious randon change..
(17:28:37) CHRISCHRIST: big bang..
(17:28:41) Dissident: yes
(17:28:52) Dissident: and determinism rules out free-will
(17:29:00) CHRISCHRIST: jsut the word would makje ye think its a set thing..
(17:29:03) CHRISCHRIST: indeeed
(17:29:33) CHRISCHRIST: But uopon thinking .. How cycles change..
(17:30:02) CHRISCHRIST: Stars .. worlds .. universes. metaverses.. thennnnnnnnnnnnn it getts bigger..
(17:30:06) Dissident: its a very intuitive idea since we don't yet know what consiousness is and the mass definition of time isn't necessarily accurate
(17:30:14) CHRISCHRIST: But what about this smaller and smaller
(17:30:33) CHRISCHRIST: is right..
(17:30:35) Dissident: can we really say weather its smaller or bigger?
(17:30:41) CHRISCHRIST: lmaoo
(17:30:47) CHRISCHRIST: mybe thats our falicy..
(17:30:57) CHRISCHRIST: not know weather what we know is true
(17:31:40) CHRISCHRIST: or even that it could possibly be the simplist explaination of all..
(17:32:18) Dissident: the way we think humans can understand everything?
(17:32:18) CHRISCHRIST: You are a universe.. whole and incomplete.. constanty changeing and moving throught space/time. As am i.
(17:32:26) CHRISCHRIST: same with the plants and ****..
(17:32:31) CHRISCHRIST: yea lmaooo
(17:32:33) Dissident: when science put underscience is un-scientific
(17:32:33) Dissident: lol
(17:32:38) CHRISCHRIST: lolol
(17:32:55) Dissident: the plants are trying to communicate with us
(17:33:02) CHRISCHRIST: Yea... man..
(17:33:10) CHRISCHRIST: what about this super gods..
(17:33:14) CHRISCHRIST: have you watched it..
(17:33:17) CHRISCHRIST: on gv
(17:33:17) Dissident: no
(17:33:23) CHRISCHRIST: well ya should
(17:33:30) CHRISCHRIST: its maurice cotteriell.
(17:33:33) CHRISCHRIST: i think..
(17:33:38) CHRISCHRIST: Explains what god is.
(17:33:40) CHRISCHRIST: lmaoo
(17:33:45) Dissident: god is
(17:33:48) Dissident: whatever you think god is
(17:33:50) Dissident: lol
(17:33:58) Dissident: when you choose your god
(17:34:03) Dissident: you are creating your god
(17:34:08) Dissident: therefore you are god
(17:34:09) Dissident: lol
(17:34:49) Dissident: that's what i understand god to be
(17:35:02) Dissident: but i'll give it a gander
(17:41:39) CHRISCHRIST: indeed.
(17:41:47) CHRISCHRIST: We are our own representation of god..
(17:41:51) CHRISCHRIST: but in reality
(17:42:07) CHRISCHRIST: the Energy of electromagnatism..
(17:42:24) CHRISCHRIST: which is born out of alchemy..
(17:42:35) CHRISCHRIST: Is what holds onto the egg and sperm..
(17:42:39) CHRISCHRIST: that -2 volts
(17:42:51) CHRISCHRIST: plus the 2 volts of the egg.
(17:42:56) CHRISCHRIST: creats us ..
(17:43:02) CHRISCHRIST: human.. at 0 points
(17:43:10) CHRISCHRIST: weird
(17:43:13) CHRISCHRIST: lolol
(17:43:22) CHRISCHRIST: he explains much better lmfaooo
(17:44:44) Dissident: that's just your definition of when life begins, i could say that life behinds when the sperm is forming in the lads sack, or the look in his eye or during the act or when the sperm penetrates the egg, but the general argeement is that we refer to the act of violence
(17:45:24) CHRISCHRIST: Ach well i hear ya..
(17:45:25) Dissident: don't get me wrong i know what your talking about but remeber what i said above about the past being a fading memory of the now
(17:45:31) CHRISCHRIST: But life begun with a sound..
(17:45:33) CHRISCHRIST: a thought.
(17:45:45) Dissident: well the world is made of sound and language
(17:45:55) CHRISCHRIST: Hmm.. what is languange
(17:46:18) Dissident: darwinists think of it as a mutation
(17:46:31) CHRISCHRIST: mearly representations of symbols all meaning the same thing in each part of worllld. in all head
(17:46:44) Dissident: i think of it as a human advancement made from the mushrooms
(17:47:00) Dissident: true true
(17:48:06) Dissident: is language alive? hehe
(17:48:11) CHRISCHRIST: ILolol
(17:48:14) CHRISCHRIST: indeed
(17:48:23) Dissident: thats the real question isn't it
(17:48:38) CHRISCHRIST: was going to type somehthing..
(17:48:46) CHRISCHRIST: but thats a really good one like/
(17:48:52) CHRISCHRIST: its very much alaive..
(17:49:45) Dissident: man we'd have some savage convos if we had the chance lol
(17:50:34) CHRISCHRIST: I know dog,.
(17:51:54) CHRISCHRIST: one thing love.. is were always ight one the button even if were thinking about totaly different topics.. Its like.. Underneath weve the same questions. lol . like all humans i suppose..
(17:52:05) CHRISCHRIST: one thing I love**
(17:52:08) CHRISCHRIST: lmfaooo
(17:52:33) Dissident: lol i think of it slightly differantly
(17:53:02) CHRISCHRIST: seee
(17:53:05) CHRISCHRIST: lmffaooo
(17:53:11) CHRISCHRIST: proves my point
(17:53:38) CHRISCHRIST: but i bet you will explain... everything.. that i wanted to ask// know
(17:54:00) Dissident: we both slide away from the general nostaigia within the intellectual community and continue to look for truth dispite the pain it may cause, therefore we relate well cause we are both intellectual sado-masicists
(17:54:01) Dissident: lmfao
(17:54:34) CHRISCHRIST: thats correct
(17:54:45) CHRISCHRIST: but indeed your only sterotypping..
(17:54:52) CHRISCHRIST: But thats what were bred to do..
(17:55:04) CHRISCHRIST: So wheres the ego now..
Still sorting out the jocks from the emos
(17:55:07) CHRISCHRIST: :P
(17:55:15) Dissident: lol brilliant
(17:55:36) CHRISCHRIST: were to diamonds.. boy..
(17:55:44) CHRISCHRIST: not be long before the **** hits the fan
(17:55:48) CHRISCHRIST: and you know it i know it
(17:55:51) Dissident: i was just saying that we let our thoughts go through the darkness when alot would turn away and curl up in a ball
(17:55:57) Dissident: ye get what im saying anyways
(17:56:10) CHRISCHRIST: of course.
(17:56:23) CHRISCHRIST: I agree
(17:56:25) Dissident: the ten steps of fascism have been completed
(17:56:38) Dissident: so the famine is a coming
(17:57:17) Dissident: makes me think of buckmister fuller when he said "if it was upto me to save the world, what would i think, what would i do?"
(17:57:22) Dissident: or something along those lines
(17:57:42) CHRISCHRIST: i am a quite the depressive sadomasict.. type of person.. but i reakon so was einstein. so was dali.. so was tesla..
(17:57:50) CHRISCHRIST: al great minds think alike
(17:58:11) CHRISCHRIST: your explainations are superbe
(17:58:18) CHRISCHRIST: *****
(17:58:27) Dissident: isn't violence the only thing that shows us we are real?
(17:58:34) CHRISCHRIST: What about the taroth.. bro
(17:58:35) CHRISCHRIST: Hmmm
(17:58:57) CHRISCHRIST: it is.. in some sense..only way of proving mascuilinity of another..
(17:59:06) Dissident: "pinch me i'm dreaming"
(17:59:06) Dissident: lol
(17:59:28) Dissident: exactly!
(17:59:55) Dissident: that shows why great minds seem to embrace violance and pain doesn't it?
(18:00:52) CHRISCHRIST: hmmm
(18:00:54) CHRISCHRIST: fantastic..
(18:01:59) Dissident: back on topic, i have a few ideas of how to defend our island or sections of the grid
(18:02:19) Dissident: i'll share them with you when we're given the opportunity
(18:02:20) CHRISCHRIST: Explain
(18:02:27) CHRISCHRIST: Coool
(18:02:36) CHRISCHRIST: Write it down so ye dont forget..
(18:02:40) Dissident: lmfao
(18:02:43) CHRISCHRIST: well have PLENTY OF time to talk
(18:02:46) CHRISCHRIST: Hehehe..
(18:02:52) CHRISCHRIST: drugs are soo cooll
(18:03:03) CHRISCHRIST: make things so much weirder..
(18:03:05) CHRISCHRIST: lmfaoo
(18:03:11) Dissident: yeah like television
(18:03:12) Dissident: lol
(18:03:18) CHRISCHRIST: eirder than they already are
(18:03:18) Dissident: or the interwebs
(18:03:22) CHRISCHRIST: weirder
(18:03:28) Dissident: both are drugs
(18:03:33) CHRISCHRIST: indeed..
(18:03:45) Dissident: they change your neurochemsitry therefore they are drugs
(18:03:45) CHRISCHRIST: Theres many a peep addicted to tv..
(18:03:54) CHRISCHRIST: why not criminilise it
(18:03:56) CHRISCHRIST: lolol
(18:04:00) CHRISCHRIST: yes..
(18:04:02) CHRISCHRIST: Spot on
(18:04:13) CHRISCHRIST: because our body is a chemical computer
(18:04:14) Dissident: yep people are high on tv on average of 6 hours a day
(18:04:19) CHRISCHRIST: Jees.
(18:04:31) CHRISCHRIST: glad i fall into the 0 minute per day section
(18:04:35) CHRISCHRIST: Lmao
(18:04:42) Dissident: i still flick it on when im having my breakfast
(18:04:46) CHRISCHRIST: but the tv on alluc dot org..
(18:04:50) Dissident: the medium is the message afterall
(18:04:51) CHRISCHRIST: does that count too
(18:04:52) CHRISCHRIST: Lolol
(18:04:57) CHRISCHRIST: of course.
(18:05:08) CHRISCHRIST: and how the PERSOn is interpreting that said message
(18:05:17) CHRISCHRIST: well the persons SUbconcious
(18:05:29) Dissident: we should post this convo in a philosophy forum for the laugh lol
(18:05:48) Dissident: no audience, no show
(18:05:53) CHRISCHRIST: Lmaoo
(18:05:59) CHRISCHRIST: just a personal convo
(18:06:04) CHRISCHRIST: exhilerating
(18:06:14) CHRISCHRIST: sure save it to one and gimme the link
(18:06:20) Dissident: alright, i thought it would be interesting to see peoples reactions lol
(18:06:29) CHRISCHRIST: ill join and weell start anor disscusion
(18:06:32) CHRISCHRIST: it would mate
(18:06:41) CHRISCHRIST: Lets hear some outside opinnion
(18:06:51) Dissident: i was referring to tv when i said no auidence no show btw
(18:07:03) CHRISCHRIST: Llololopl
(18:07:12) Dissident: i'll post it now lol
(18:07:17) Dissident: boards.ie for the laugh lmfao
(18:07:20) CHRISCHRIST: cool..
(18:07:27) CHRISCHRIST: yea ill.. join up in a min,..
(18:07:35) CHRISCHRIST: brb 15 mins..
(18:07:42) CHRISCHRIST: way to shop for supplies
(18:07:45) Dissident: nay bother im gonna get some coffee
(18:07:46) CHRISCHRIST: this is an allnighter.................
(18:07:49) CHRISCHRIST: lololl
(18:07:50) CHRISCHRIST: cool
(18:08:10) CHRISCHRIST: **** i just exited that
(18:08:16) CHRISCHRIST: did you copy and paste
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