Absolute bastards..

Call Me Jimmy

taibhse wrote: »

I actually don't eat corn flakes, no

that's not the point and you know it... you don't eat any cereal? you don't eat peanuts, anything that is harvested in a field?

taibhse

Maximilian wrote: »

If you are equating somebody who ate at KFC with someone who blew up a swan, you're really not worth debating with. Assuming of course that's what you meant, I'm not sure.

I'm equating the cruelty involved in both situations to be of a similar level. I just don't see how someone can be horrified at one and then maybe support the other, it doesn't make any sense.

kraggy

CPT. SURF wrote: »

Nothing new

Of course intelligence and suffering are not related.

Though it would appear that the possession of intelligence and good looks may garner more sympathy for an animal from human beings.

That was the point I was making.

Oh we're agreed on that. Unfortunately that is the case.

kraggy

CPT. SURF wrote: »

Excellent point, and one that is unavoidable and uncomfortable for the type of person you were addressing.

A couple of years ago I was traveling through Morocco with some friends. One of them lambasted me for buying a Nestle ice lolly. Went off on me about how they had failed to relieve Ethiopia of some milk debt or something. Which was probably true, and terrible of course.

His moral high ground stance did not sit well with me so I had to point out the fact that he was smoking a Marlboro cigarette at the time and wearing his favorite pair of Nike runners. That shut his ass up right quick

So do you think the consumer is absolved of all responsibility then?

Jebubs

Mairt wrote: »

Is there really words to describe the type of person who could have carried out this act on an innocent Swan, or any living thing for that matter?.


I'd love to get my hands on the little bastard who done this and put a few fvcking bangers in the cvnts mouth and see how happy my little act that makes him.

I nearly got sick with rage when I heard this on the news this morning.

What type of person wants to put a few bangers in the mouth of another person? That is equally sick.

Better to educate them on the errors of their ways one would imagine.

Violence only breeds violence. They probably thought it was an ok thing to do after hearing their father utter some outrage like "I'd cut the balls of that guy" while reading the Sun.

:eek:

CPT. SURF

kraggy wrote: »

So do you think the consumer is absolved of all responsibility then?

I don't know, perhaps not. Though can we ever measure this responsibility? Certain companies may be worse than others but trying to quantify an individual consumer's responsibility would appear very difficult. Difficult enough in that we all have varying levels of responsibility, unless you are en eskimo of course.

0utpost31

thelordofcheese wrote: »

Also there is nothing wrong with fox hunting.

Congratulations.

Now everybody here knows what kind of person you are. I could go into detail, but I'll get banned. All I'll say is that you deserve what happened to that swan.

thelordofcheese

taibhse wrote: »

1)The only dairy I would support is from an organic goat farm in Italy. He is an artisan cheese maker and 2) yes it is feasible. I have spent time working on the farm and know they are well looked after. 3) Other than that no I do not buy any dairy. and 4) yes I do know what I'm talking about. 5) maybe you should learn how to spell vegetarian

you havn't a clue. You have ideals, sure, but reality and they don't seem to intersect that much.

Oh, and good luck meeting the worlds needs for dairy products with small, organic farms.
Factory farming didn't come about because people have a hard on for putting cattle indoors

0utpost31 wrote: »

Congratulations.

Now everybody here knows what kind of person you are. I could go into detail, but I'll get banned. All I'll say is that you deserve what happened to that swan.

Cry me a river, they're vermin.

CPT. SURF

0utpost31 wrote: »

Congratulations.

Now everybody here knows what kind of person you are. I could go into detail, but I'll get banned. All I'll say is that you deserve what happened to that swan.

"In Kazakhstan we love animals!"

"Why do you shoot them then?"

"Emmm.......for fun"

taibhse

thelordofcheese wrote: »

Oh, and good luck meeting the worlds needs for dairy products with small, organic farms.
Factory farming didn't come about because people have a hard on for putting cattle indoors

Yeah because look where that got us, one of the worst things to come from factory farming was BSE or CJD in humans.

Dinter

taibhse wrote: »

Yeah because look where that got us, one of the worst things to come from factory farming was BSE or CJD in humans.

Also food, of an admittedly low quality in parts, became cheaper and more affordable for all.

taibhse

Dinter wrote: »

Also food, of an admittedly low quality in parts, became cheaper and more affordable for all.

cheaper and more affordable for all= epidemic of obesity in the western world, famines, death in some third world countries where some products come from

Poccington

Jebubs wrote: »

What type of person wants to put a few bangers in the mouth of another person? That is equally sick.

Better to educate them on the errors of their ways one would imagine.

Violence only breeds violence. They probably thought it was an ok thing to do after hearing their father utter some outrage like "I'd cut the balls of that guy" while reading the Sun.

:eek:

Educate them on the errors of their ways?

These aren't poor little unfortunate misguided youths that didn't realise what they were doing.... They're little scumbags that thought it would be hilarious to do what they did to that Swan.

If I ever met these people walking down the street, I'd do serious damage to them. They're ****ing scum.

carlybabe1

Jebubs wrote: »

What type of person wants to put a few bangers in the mouth of another person? That is equally sick.

Better to educate them on the errors of their ways one would imagine.

Violence only breeds violence. They probably thought it was an ok thing to do after hearing their father utter some outrage like "I'd cut the balls of that guy" while reading the Sun.

:eek:

tthe phrase GET REAL springs to mind, as does the whole NOTHING LIKE S TASTE OF YOUR OWN MEDICINE TO REMEDY WHAT AILS YE
Id kick the ****in crap outta them, and id put the firework down thier ****in pants and fall round laughin at thier panic, the way they did that poor swan. ****HEADS :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

CPT. SURF

taibhse wrote: »

Yeah because look where that got us, one of the worst things to come from factory farming was BSE or CJD in humans.

You do realize that the methods you are suggesting would mean starvation for a majority of the world's poor and malnourished population.

It is cute that you are an idealist, it means you are a good person. I am sure that working in a natural environment with a rustic Italian cheesemaker was a lovely experience. Though the implications of the philosophies that the experience manifested in you are extremist and very naive.

Dinter

taibhse wrote: »

cheaper and more affordable for all= epedemic of obesity in the western world, famines, death in some third world countries where some products come from

Obesity is not caused by the quality of food available. It's pretty much laziness. Too lazy to exercise, too lazy to cook. I could go on.

I think you'll find that the famines are usually caused by farmers there not having access to the same modern methods of farming that the west take for granted. The fact that they're kept poor due to protectionism is a whole different thread.

Famines are also caused by desertification. What's the man cause of desertification especially in the sub sahara? It's the old fashioned "natural" method of allowing your livestock graze the land to ruin. That wouldn't happen if cattle are penned and fed by farmer.

Natural rarely means better.

Kiera

I could only get as far as page 3 in this thread and started bawling. The poor little mite. The sadness and anger I'm feeling right now is off the scale!

taibhse

CPT. SURF wrote: »

You do realize that the methods you are suggesting would mean starvation for a majority of the world's poor and malnourished population.

the majority of the worlds poor survive on what? crops, vegetables with some access to fish. If you go to a "poor" country you will not find them loading up on meat and dairy because of the great factory farming system that is now in place

CPT. SURF

taibhse wrote: »

the majority of the worlds poor survive on what? crops, vegetables with some access to fish. If you go to a "poor" country you will not find them loading up on meat and dairy because of the great factory farming system that is now in place

That cheesemaker did some number on you. Did you guys get frisky or what?

Dinter

taibhse wrote: »

the majority of the worlds poor survive on what? crops, vegetables with some access to fish. If you go to a "poor" country you will not find them loading up on meat and dairy because of the great factory farming system that is now in place

Em, that's exactly why it would benefit them if modern farming practices were implemented. They're using the natural i.e. crap way.

Honestly do you see how much you pay extra for organic food compared to processed. Which do you think would be of more benefit to poor people?

Kiera

Arent we going off topic here?

Dinter

Kiera wrote: »

Arent we going off topic here?

Em yes actually, you're right.

Though once you condemn it and explain some imaginative sort of punishment you'd mete out to the perpetrator there's not a whole lot else.

CPT. SURF

Reminds me of the classic Chris Rock routine Bring The Pain. In which he says: "Theyre aint no lactose intolerant people in Africa. Theyre aint no vegetarians in Africa. You give them a steak and I guarantee you they gonna bite the **** outta that muthaf$$ka!"

Jebubs

Poccington wrote: »

Educate them on the errors of their ways?

These aren't poor little unfortunate misguided youths that didn't realise what they were doing.... They're little scumbags that thought it would be hilarious to do what they did to that Swan.

If I ever met these people walking down the street, I'd do serious damage to them. They're ****ing scum.

carlybabe1 wrote: »

tthe phrase GET REAL springs to mind, as does the whole NOTHING LIKE S TASTE OF YOUR OWN MEDICINE TO REMEDY WHAT AILS YE
Id kick the ****in crap outta them, and id put the firework down thier ****in pants and fall round laughin at thier panic, the way they did that poor swan. ****HEADS :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Is that how you two are going to bring up your kids? If you ever have any.

Tell them it is ok to use fire crackers for a use other than they were intended? For reasons of vigilante justice?

You both probably think smacking your kids is ok to no doubt. Any wonder society is as fuked as it is.

Did it ever occur to either of you that maybe the people who did this had fuked up childhoods? Parents who were thick, possibly abusive?

Wait, it is an ickle white Swan. Sorry I lost the run of myself.

Perhaps we should skin the people who did it and then starve them to death on Grafton Street. We can all watch them die.

CPT. SURF

Jebubs wrote: »

Is that how you two are going to bring up your kids? If you ever have any.

Tell them it is ok to use fire crackers for a use other than they were intended? For reasons of vigilante justice?

You both probably think smacking your kids is ok to no doubt. Any wonder society is as fuked as it is.

Did it ever occur to either of you that maybe the people who did this had fuked up childhoods? Parents who were thick, possibly abusive?

Wait, it is an ickle white Swan. Sorry I lost the run of myself.

Perhaps we should skin the people who did it and then starve them to death on Grafton Street. We can all watch them die.

The point you are trying to make is so pedantic and pathetic. Use your thoughts more constructively

Dinter

Jebubs wrote: »

Parents who were thick, possibly abusive?

Stop defending your children. Ring the police and hand them over before they start abusing you!

Maximilian

taibhse wrote: »

I'm equating the cruelty involved in both situations to be of a similar level. I just don't see how someone can be horrified at one and then maybe support the other, it doesn't make any sense.

Similar? So you regard say free range chickens the same as antibiotic ridden battery hens crammed in a cage? I think you're reaching now.

Poccington

Jebubs wrote: »

Is that how you two are going to bring up your kids? If you ever have any.

Tell them it is ok to use fire crackers for a use other than they were intended? For reasons of vigilante justice?

You both probably think smacking your kids is ok to no doubt. Any wonder society is as fuked as it is.

Did it ever occur to either of you that maybe the people who did this had fuked up childhoods? Parents who were thick, possibly abusive?

Wait, it is an ickle white Swan. Sorry I lost the run of myself.

Perhaps we should skin the people who did it and then starve them to death on Grafton Street. We can all watch them die.

Are you actually being serious?

What does thick parents have to do with sticking fireworks in a swans mouth!? This whole thing has nothing to do with people being thought right or wrong, nothing to do with peoples childhoods..... IT'S COMMON ****ING SENSE!

You don't put a firework in something mouth unless you're a little piece of **** scumbag. For somebody to do something like that and then say "Oh I didn't know what I was doing was wrong" is absolute horse****. What did they think was gonna happen? Flowers were gonna grow out of the swans mouth!?

This has nothing to do with how they were raised or any of that crap.... The simple fact of the matter is, they quite willingly and happily put a firework in a swans mouth and lit it. They knew full well what the results would be and I'm sure they had great joy in watching it.

As for catching the people that did it, if they're ever caught I hope they get a severe hiding because they're nothing more than rodents.

Kiera

Jebubs wrote: »

Perhaps we should skin the people who did it and then starve them to death on Grafton Street. We can all watch them die.

Now you're taking sense! But i'd stick them on Henry street. More damage would be done to them there!

thelordofcheese

taibhse wrote: »

Yeah because look where that got us, one of the worst things to come from factory farming was BSE or CJD in humans.

BSE and human variant CJD aren't a direct result of factory farming.

It is a result of poor choices and lack of regulation on what goes back into the food chain.
Your reasoning is spurious, while the feeding of dead animals back to their living brethern was a terrible mistake, it's not something that's an inherant part of factory farming.

Dinter

Kiera wrote: »

Now you're taking sense! But i'd stick them on Henry street. More damage would be done to them there!

Yeah and I could do without having to walk downwind of them on my way to work.

Still good thinking that man.

carlybabe1

Jebubs wrote: »

Is that how you two are going to bring up your kids? If you ever have any.

Tell them it is ok to use fire crackers for a use other than they were intended? For reasons of vigilante justice?

You both probably think smacking your kids is ok to no doubt. Any wonder society is as fuked as it is.

Did it ever occur to either of you that maybe the people who did this had fuked up childhoods? Parents who were thick, possibly abusive?

Wait, it is an ickle white Swan. Sorry I lost the run of myself.

Perhaps we should skin the people who did it and then starve them to death on Grafton Street. We can all watch them die.

I wonder how long Id get banned for tellin someone to **** off and cop on.
My kids love animals, and yes if I caught them hurting one they would definitely be punished, but then again I take a very active roll in raising my kids, i.e they dont go anywhere without telling me, they dont go anywhere were I cannot see them, and some of the nicest parents have some of the most spoilt and cruel little bastards, why? cause thier kids have no respect for them end of. And I can tell ye hear and now, neither of my kids will be roaming the streets at night, never mind in a ****in park after dark, teenager or not.

Kiera

Did you just call me a man?

Morlar

Kiera wrote: »

Arent we going off topic here?

I'd say so too. Would anyone be surprised if these guys get caught then prosecuted at great expense then come up with some sob story and get a slap on the wrist /suspended sentence then go brag to their mates about it?

Eamonn Brophy

Definitley some little scummer. he'll get him cumuppence.
Still though....shoving roman candle down his neck would be satisfying.

taibhse

Dinter wrote: »

Em, that's exactly why it would benefit them if modern farming practices were implemented. They're using the natural i.e. crap way.

Honestly do you see how much you pay extra for organic food compared to processed. Which do you think would be of more benefit to poor people?

If you actually compare diets you will find that they eat a lot healthier than the average person in the western world. This has been proven.

Study after study has shown that with an increase in the diet of meat and dairy, the incidence of cancers and heart disease goes up too. It's a direct correlation.

Maximilian

If it makes anyone feel better, I think swans are reasonably safe from us nasty carnivores. Taste like crap apparently.

"Tough and fishy," writes one unhappy swan eater.

"I second the tough and fishy opinion," writes someone else.

AlmightyCushion

0utpost31 wrote: »

Congratulations.

Now everybody here knows what kind of person you are. I could go into detail, but I'll get banned. All I'll say is that you deserve what happened to that swan.

Banned. This type of behaviour is not tolerated.

taibhse

thelordofcheese wrote: »

BSE and human variant CJD aren't a direct result of factory farming.

It is a result of poor choices and lack of regulation on what goes back into the food chain.
Your reasoning is spurious, while the feeding of dead animals back to their living brethern was a terrible mistake, it's not something that's an inherant part of factory farming.

And why did farmers turn to cheaper feeds with meat and bone in them? Because they were cheaper. That is the whole ethos of the factory farm system. Raise the animal from baby to plate, in the shortest space of time feasible, produce as much from them as you can and cram as many into one space as you can for the least amount possible.

SV

That is an aboluste disgrace and I have to admit made me very very angry when I read about it...

it's a bloody disgrace that people can be so uneducated that they think this is a way to have fun..****, hope they look forward to their lives as homeless alcoholics.

Daithi McGee

Jebubs wrote: »

Is that how you two are going to bring up your kids? If you ever have any.

Tell them it is ok to use fire crackers for a use other than they were intended? For reasons of vigilante justice?

You both probably think smacking your kids is ok to no doubt. Any wonder society is as fuked as it is.

Did it ever occur to either of you that maybe the people who did this had fuked up childhoods? Parents who were thick, possibly abusive?

Wait, it is an ickle white Swan. Sorry I lost the run of myself.

Perhaps we should skin the people who did it and then starve them to death on Grafton Street. We can all watch them die.

Good thought but badly presented IMO. Some people do have issues and society does have a lot to answer for. Yes some parents too do have a lot to answer for also. Yes, you can bring your kids up as best you can but they do hear things they were never meant to. The rows, the fighting. It can have an effect on them.

Your cut the balls off them comment is apt considering this thread. So much hate towards people who did something wrong. Is that hate a good thing? Is it right? What does it lead to?

More dead Swans?

/dispair

SV

Oh and by the way, I don't care that the Swan Died.

I don't care about the death of anyone or anything really, as long as it's humane.
Torture is the worst ****ing thing ever and the people who do anything even similar deserve the same back.

thelordofcheese

taibhse wrote: »

And why did farmers turn to cheaper feeds with meat and bone in them? Because they were cheaper. That is the whole ethos of the factory farm system. Raise the animal from baby to plate, in the shortest space of time feasible, produce as much from them as you can and cram as many into one space as you can for the least amount possible.

And it was a mistake, that's why it's not done in the same way anymore, cheaper production methods only work if people will buy it at the end of the day, otherwise what's the point?

Kiera wrote:

Did you just call me a man?

Oh Shiii---- RUN LADS, RUN!

taibhse

thelordofcheese wrote: »

And it was a mistake, that's why it's not done in the same way anymore, cheaper production methods only work if people will buy it at the end of the day, otherwise what's the point?

Are you serious? if that was the case every aldi and lidl in the country would be out of business. Of course a lot people want the cheapest food.
Very little has changed in the way of factory farming since those CJD outbreaks. One of the only things being the cattle aren't fed meal with bone in it. Many other practices are still the order of the day.

AlmightyCushion

Can we keep this on topic please.

Phototoxin

It saddens me that I belong to the same species as people who do stuff like this, taking some sort of sick pleasure in inflicting pain and suffering on an innocent and harmless animal. Someone who could do something like this is likely to be more than capable of harming people aswell, and belongs in prison. A public flooging would be too good for little cnuts like that.

one of my lecturers in criminology did her thesis on how kids who abuse animals are more likely to be dangerous to humans..

It wasn't me!

I know Liam Kinsella personally. He'll be very upset at this. It's unbelievably disgusting.

I've absolutely nothing against killing as long as it's for a good reason, but the best reason in the world doesn't make a cruel method okay. This is disgusting behaviour by unmitigated scum of people and there's no penalty in law that befits them, I'm sad to say.

bigpinkelephant

aidan24326 wrote: »

There is good reason to be concerned. A person who can harm an animal for fun lacks empathy, not just for anmals but almost certainly for people aswell. And people who lack empathy are potentially dangerous, at the very least capable of very anti-social behaviour but possibly worse. Some of the world's worst serial killers (the likes of Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacey and David Berkowitz for example) had a history of torturing and abusing animals before they moved on to killing and torturing people.

I remember reading somewhere that in some states in America, if a parent is reported for cruelty to an animal, Social Services will also visit and check on the wellbeing of the animal, simply because, someone who will be cruel to an animal will often be happy to do the same or worse to another human.

I also read somewhere that sex offenders often have a history of being cruel to animals but for some reason, it tends to be cats in particular. I know a lot of people dislike cats but I am talking about actual cruelty.

I need to find some links for both the above.

Edit:

Link between human and animal abuse

http://www.paws.org/help/report/connection.php

Google "connection human animal cruelty" also.

Will try and dig up something about the cat/sex offender thing.

Sharpshooter

l think these people ( and l use the term loosely ) are born without consciences.
There is seldom if ever any remorse.

JerryHandbag

Horrendous stuff, this sort of cruelty makes me ill...I shudder to think what a danger to society this little cowardly waster of a sh1tbag will grow up to be. Utter swine. :mad: