Blinkers Casino Tournaments and Cash Games

DeVore

RichardB2 wrote: »

MacPower is spot on.

Frankly I'm astonished at DeVores position here,
assuming he really wasn't aware of why his own moderators had placed a ban
on Blinkers posting advertisements subject to certain questions being answered.

His watering down of the forum moderators temperate and balanced position re: Blinkers seems craven and meally mouthed.
Nobody is being protected or well served by his position.
Not Vera, not JP, not the Boards posters and certainly not the players that participated that night.
Well maybe Blinkers who get to return without batting an eyelid.

Incidently there are people who know the truth.
Most of the rumours are outrageous but it wouldn't take much to quell them.

Or I'm trying to be fair to all parties and find the middle ground rather then reaching for the torches and pitchforks.

DeV.

tm2204

DeVore wrote: »

Yes, you have a point. I'm trying to get SOMEONE to come on and tell us what exactly happened with the prize pool. I'm sick of finding myself in the middle of all of this but it seems inevitable.

DeV.

Not being funny here Dev but you became stuck in the middle of this when your mods announced that your decision alone could/would overide their decision some time ago to ban Blinkers from posting on Boards until they answered the questions many Boards members put to them after Vera's party tourney debacle.

I know, I said I was finished with this but it all doesn't sit right with me. Can't help how I feel I guess.

DeVore

Yes, its unfortunate that ultimately the buck stops with the admins, sometimes it would be a lot easier for me if I wasnt an admin

The mods and I are discussing our options and I'm in contact with all concerned but sitting here I'm tending back towards my base operating approach which is to side with the players. I'm trying to get this solved *without* a big popcorn thread so give me a few days.

DeV.

BIG-SLICK-POKER

To be honest i am Dissappointed Jp's name is being tarnished by this and i really think the mods should keep to the topic rather than saying anything , Every other thread sticks to the Topic. I myself have spoken to the parties involved in this excluding the Casino, and my view is that i will back Jp Mc cann 100% .

The thread says that they are transparent but they are not , The reason Jp will not come on is that this will become a legal issue as his name is being brought down here. The Casino had no answers for Jp or the duffy Family when they were questioned at the event, and have the cheek to put up that they are 100% transparent(I can see through this anyhow).

Jp is a fellow organiser and a Friend and i feel that he should not be mentioned, he ran the game yes , But the casino is essentially 100% responsible for all handling of cash issues from the cage and is responsible for the payout and the integrity of the players.If they come on and respond well in good but to stay quiet in a matter like this just fuels the already burning fire.

I for one will not step inside the casino ever until the Questions to the Casino not the organiser is answered .

Regards

Neill Kelly

Sparks43

this is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard

Originally Posted by DeVore
Plus we have added those two questions into our list of questions that must be answered by tournie operators up front.

We can either ban Blinkers AND JP or neither. Its not fair to ban one and not the other. Right now we are favouring neither and moving on. I think the guaruntees we have secured are at least a partial solution and probably the best we can do.


DeV.

DeV u have lost the plot tbh


jp is one of the most honest people i have ever met and for the thought that you would ban him after he left on principle from blinkers sickens me

carfax

DeVore is getting caught in the middle here.

Agree 110% with your ref to JP.

Stephen.

JP Poker

To be honest i am sick of the whole thing.

I had the players best interest at heart, and will be seeking legal advice now as a shadow doubt remains over my head.

bohsman

Keep the head up JP, I dont see anyone accusing you of anything, people are making a mountain out of a molehill with this whole fiasco, at this stage Im not even sure what is supposed to have happened on the night.

tm2204

JP Poker wrote: »

To be honest i am sick of the whole thing.

I had the players best interest at heart, and will be seeking legal advice now as a shadow doubt remains over my head.

JP, having spoken to many players on this matter & having followed all the threads on Boards you can be reassured that not a single one doubts you in this whole affair. You have the support of the poker players 100%

DAMO72

tm2204 wrote: »

JP, having spoken to many players on this matter & having followed all the threads on Boards you can be reassured that not a single one doubts you in this whole affair. You have the support of the poker players 100%

+1

DeVore

I think thats the problem, no one seems to know what happened that night. Or at least no one wants to explain it to the people who's money went in the pot.

The more I think about it the more I am coming around to Macs' viewpoint that I should just side with the players and demand to know what happened to the prize pool rather than accomodate everyone.

DeV.

steoin

Sparks43 wrote: »

this thread is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard



DeV u have lost the plot tbh


jp is one of the most honest people i have ever met and for the thought that you would ban him after he left on principle from blinkers sickens me

fyp

DAMO72

DeVore wrote: »

I think thats the problem, no one seems to know what happened that night. Or at least no one wants to explain it to the people who's money went in the pot.

The more I think about it the more I am coming around to Macs' viewpoint that I should just side with the players and demand to know what happened to the prize pool rather than accomodate everyone.

DeV.

DeV after all that has been said on here by a lot of different people with a lot of different views , do you not think that its time for blinkers to put up or shut up . After all it is because of what happened in their club that every 1 is upset and they are the only ones that have failed to come on here and lay it on the line , be it good or bad it needs to be done .
They may well agree to be transparent in the future and more power to them if they are . But they were not in the past and action should be taken by the admins and mods to stop this madness now until the owners of blinkers explain to the players why they robbed them blind .
DeV as an owner and admin of this site i think its time you stood up and be counted for .

pppspecial

I know j.p. mc c on a poker level and a personal level and he is always and has always been transparant with every prizpool. The guy is seriously all about the players and for Improving poker in Ireland. Why you ask? its his living and he loves it.

F@~$ this. Jp gave his PokerRoom up because simply he could not controll 100% everything going onin there and this is where this all stemmed from. money was taken from the prizepool to pay for stuff that was associated with our lovely lady Veras birthday bash.managment took the money to pay for the room.jP washaving none off it. one thing lead to another and in the end Jps OWN MONEY was put into the prizpool ON HIS REQUEST so that the prizepool would not be affected. End off JPS STINT AS CARD ROOM MANAGER IN SO CALLED ESTABLISHMENT.
JP has been contacted since then and asked would he be invoved in a bigger casino and his answer. ONLY IF I HAVE FULL CONTROLL OFF EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON.
I MYSELF AS A WELL KNOWN PERSON WOULD GUARENTEE JPMCCANN WILL NEVER DO A THING WRONG ON THIS POKER COMMUNITY. I actually feel sick having to write this.

flushje

pppspecial wrote: »

I know j.p. mc c on a poker level and a personal level and he is always and has always been transparant with every prizpool. The guy is seriously all about the players and for Improving poker in Ireland. Why you ask? its his living and he loves it.

F@~$ this. Jp gave his PokerRoom up because simply he could not controll 100% everything going onin there and this is where this all stemmed from. money was taken from the prizepool to pay for stuff that was associated with our lovely lady Veras birthday bash.managment took the money to pay for the room.jP washaving none off it. one thing lead to another and in the end Jps OWN MONEY was put into the prizpool ON HIS REQUEST so that the prizepool would not be affected. End off JPS STINT AS CARD ROOM MANAGER IN SO CALLED ESTABLISHMENT.
JP has been contacted since then and asked would he be invoved in a bigger casino and his answer. ONLY IF I HAVE FULL CONTROLL OFF EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON.
I MYSELF AS A WELL KNOWN PERSON WOULD GUARENTEE JPMCCANN WILL NEVER DO A THING WRONG ON THIS POKER COMMUNITY. I actually feel sick having to write this.

Are you drunk?

pppspecial

no just sick off this shhhheite and jps name getting dragged down along with it. its absolutly shocking that this is still going on.

flushje

pppspecial wrote: »

no just sick off this shhhheite and jps name getting dragged down along with it. its absolutly shocking that this is still going on.

Can you explain in short to me what actually happened?

thepokerroom

JP Poker wrote: »

To be honest i am sick of the whole thing.

I had the players best interest at heart, and will be seeking legal advice now as a shadow doubt remains over my head.

the poker room ireland are 100% behind jp, he has made the poker scene in dublin with his honest views and good touraments . chin up jp.

regards jim and stephen

pppspecial

no as it wouldnt be fair or 100% accurate.

tylerdurden94

tm2204 wrote: »

JP, having spoken to many players on this matter & having followed all the threads on Boards you can be reassured that not a single one doubts you in this whole affair. You have the support of the poker players 100%

+1 keep the chin up JP

YULETIRED

:( this thread makes the devil smile :(

JP i look forward to your next event.....(even if the Pizza and beer gave me gut issues last time)

I vote => Lock this thread , it's like something the board of Newcastle United would contrive....

Theresalwaysone

**** locking this thread, make Blinkers answer the questions asked of them or tell them to **** off and stop using this board as a marketing tool for their Casino.

Jp's name is not getting dragged through any muck, everyone knows that he answered his questions. He was always 100% transparent.

The problem is with Blinkers.

doke

The Clamper wrote: »

yeah they do things differently over there

once accused, it is presumed you are guilty until proved innocent

I made the mistake of repeating this old canard over some roast canard with my French inlaws a few years ago. Unfortunately, it turns out it isn't true.

Doc Farrell

just wondering who is the owner in blinkers, the same owner as citywest? Paul only works there, who takes the profits?

Tom doesn't want this to get legal so he might be better off asking Paul simply not to post here anymore if his boss won't answer.

(none of my business, i'm just nosey, looking forward to playing in JP's next game, clamper please stop shouting, its bad manners, you know enough about the internet now to understand that)

Punter Bren

First I would like to ask you to change this night to be called Blinkers disaster night not Veras birthday so we won't be dragging the Duffy name into it as they are a very nice family .
Next is JP himself he came on here and gave a statement that he was leaving and he ANSWERED every question put to him unlike Blinkers .
Jp you a are very good tournament director even on the night in question you went out of your way to borrow tables to entertain all the players and made sure we all got a game.The amount of support you are getting from other tournament directors and players on here you should be a very proud man and hold your head up high
Now that leaves Blinkers it is simple all you have to do is come on here and answer the qustions and the matter is over .
Now whoever is in charge here you provide a site with great information for players, you make sure the people who are promoting their games put all the info up is up to scratch so why not ban Blinkers from doing this untill they have cleared up what happened that night.

bohsman

Last year in the SE €1000 was held back for expenses/dealers. By all accounts this year the agreement was that the topups would be held back, there were extra costs involved but nobody was expecting that 300 people would turn up. Im sure this can be solved in a satisfactory manner over the next few weeks.

Mellor

To be honest, most people should stay out of this.
Comments about who you believe and so on, are pointless when the basic outline of what happened is blurred, not to mention the actual hard facts.

DAMO72

Mellor wrote: »

To be honest, most people should stay out of this.
Comments about who you believe and so on, are pointless when the basic outline of what happened is blurred, not to mention the actual hard facts.

The facts are simple , blinkers were asked to reply to questions put to them by yultired about the so called disaster nite . Blinkers has blatently refused to answer any questions, and boards.ie are neglecting to enforce the rules that every other poster has to go by .
So if the mods on here arent willing to pull blinkers into line with site policy then dont tell other users to stay quiet and mind their own business .
It is their business and mine and yours .

caesars pal

BIG-SLICK-POKER wrote: »

To be honest i am Dissappointed Jp's name is being tarnished by this and i really think the mods should keep to the topic rather than saying anything , Every other thread sticks to the Topic. I myself have spoken to the parties involved in this excluding the Casino, and my view is that i will back Jp Mc cann 100% .

The thread says that they are transparent but they are not , The reason Jp will not come on is that this will become a legal issue as his name is being brought down here. The Casino had no answers for Jp or the duffy Family when they were questioned at the event, and have the cheek to put up that they are 100% transparent(I can see through this anyhow).

Jp is a fellow organiser and a Friend and i feel that he should not be mentioned, he ran the game yes , But the casino is essentially 100% responsible for all handling of cash issues from the cage and is responsible for the payout and the integrity of the players.If they come on and respond well in good but to stay quiet in a matter like this just fuels the already burning fire.

I for one will not step inside the casino ever until the Questions to the Casino not the organiser is answered .

Regards

Neill Kelly

NO point in you going there anyway neill,you would have to part with your €20 bankroll on entry.:D

BIG-SLICK-POKER

caesars pal wrote: »

NO point in you going there anyway neill,you would have to part with your €20 bankroll on entry.:D

???? great post Seamus. Its what i expect these days . Don't see any sense in this whatsoever ??

Neill

Cuban Son

I'm feeling physically sick reading this thread.

First off let me apologise to Boards, Devore and all the mods for putting them in an awkward situation and relighting such a flame topic. This was never my intention nor the intention of the club.
I had hoped this whole situation would sort itself out, clearly that will never happen, regardless if my employers come on here or not.

Let me start by introducing myself to those who don't know me here. My name is Paul Fox.
I have worked with poker events, The Fitz, Luke's and now I am a dealer in Blinkers and a poker player. I've been in this industry nearly 5 years.
I love the game and only have its best interest a heart. Anyone that has played against me or has had me deal to them will know this.
I'm not on here to promote or slate anyone, I am here because I think things are out of hand with this situationand on my own doing I have decided to post my feelings on this situation.

Since Vera's night, what went on after has been such a bitter pill to swallow.
Everybody worked so hard that night and the club especially to accomadate everyone.
Talking to anyone that was there, they all commended the club on hosting a great night.
I know I went around to most of the people myself and not one person had a bad thing to say.
Lets not forget we were all there for Vera's birthday, right?
In fact people that were there on the night loved it, for me, its definitely the most professionally run private members club I've worked in.

After that night I think you'll all agree the only way was up for the club.
But no. Due to Jps work commitments he departed the club.
After this the club opened an account on boards, to wish him well and to let players know that the festival that he'd cancelled less than 24hours before it was due to start would still go ahead.

They didn't want to let the poker community down on what should have been a great weekend of poker.
After that one post, the responses that came back where unbelievable.
People accused them of being thieves, of being underhanded, well you know the rest, the witch hunt began, answers were demanded. My question is this, where did all these accusations come from? Who's slating the club?
All they did was try to look after the poker community and ended up getting barred off boards for this.
Tell me why? And before answers come flooding back, tell me how someone , on the same public forum can accuse them of being thieves not get barred for such accusations with their only proof being 'SILENCE', or at the most heresay?

Imagine taking a turn and you come to an unknown street where you're confronted by an angry mob looking or the person who smashed all their car windscreens, they need to find a culprit, one of them shouts "It was you, get him", thats what it was like.

If that was you, would you go back to that place?

The club has always said that they will talk to anyone. They are always available to talk if anyone wants to ring or God forbid, come up to the club. Some people have and been satisfied to continue playing there.
I have been at outside games with the owners where players have asked me what went on, I've pointed out the owners and told the players to ask them. The players response? "Nah doesn't matter, I'll leave it."
Maybe its safer to hide behind avatars and nick names.

Since then we have worked on a new schedule. We have put measures in place to show that games are totally 100% transparent. How many clubs can you go into that have a rake sheet posted,individual tournament structures for any given night, rules posted, a tournament clock with a full breakdown of players, buyins, topups, rebuys, prizepool, and breakdown?
Check it out, you might find some but not definitely not all.

If anything is to come from V-day it might encourage other clubs to follow suit.

For those of you that have mentioned me in previous posts, I am not caught in the middle of anything. I am not looking for sympathy or pity, I don't hide behind anyone and no one hides behind me. I work hard and always try to improve myself and the game where ever I am and always make people feel welcome.

Just to clarify a point that Neil from Big Slick made about the club, for those who have never been and jumped to conclusions, the poker desk cash drawer is separate to the cage.

Anyway I think this thread has served its purpose. If things continue the way they are you all need to think about something. By continuing down this line you have all decided to take, there are nearly 30 jobs on the line, yeah you can all say its the clubs fault, just keep passing the blame.

How quickly will you forget? Do you still think about Luke's? Or do you promise to support him 'this time'. How many times does it take to realise Boards poker forum is a big voice in this country and whether its by your actions or in-actions you have a powerful role in poker in Ireland. Please try and use that role wisely and not listen to all the gossip mongers. Make your own informed judgements, and if you do decide to throw out accusations make sure you have the full facts and evidence before you ruin peoples lives.

Thank you for your time.

Paul

YULETIRED

Cuban Son wrote: »

The club has always said that they will talk to anyone. They are always available to talk if anyone wants to ring or God forbid, come up to the club. Some people have and been satisfied to continue playing there.
I have been at outside games with the owners where players have asked me what went on, I've pointed out the owners and told the players to ask them. The players response? "Nah doesn't matter, I'll leave it."
Maybe its safer to hide behind avatars and nick names.

Thank you for your time.

Paul

Paul, (in case you were refering to me with that comment)
I remember playing in one event and you pointed out the owners are over there for my answers. The question I asked was for posting on boards.ie so that the club would defend itself and the players would come flocking to it pending a good response. Answering me would only benefit me...what good is that to me sitting in an empty poker room....I said this to you at the time with a fellow oardsie standing beside me. . Everyone involved knows who I am , I sure as hell never hide behind a nicknname and never will and essentially whilst it not any 'real business' of mine' , I do live locally so I have an interest in it's resolution. Also whilst I have a lot of time for you Paul I also have complete faith in JP . Something happened, why not urge your bosses to sort it out. I would rather stay out of it from now on as a poker player/punter I've only voiced my own concerns. If you believe that the poker forum is such a focal point, well then surely you must also believe that the readers will want to know what happened..
t's quite simple -> What happened and why? We are all entitled to make mistakes, I think blinkers biggest mistake may not have been what happened on the night but
]not saying a thing about it when asked and allowing the 'story' to get a mind of it's own. THe forum is about players and not casinos. We are in this game to make money and not to support or benefit any casino. I hope it is resolved for the sake of the workforce out there and I regret if you think my questions are in any shape or form of a witch hunt. If you looked at things from my point of view you will understand why they were asked. A question is NOT an accusation and I for one have not accused anyone of anything.
W Clynes.

Theresalwaysone

Cuban Son wrote: »

I'm feeling physically sick reading this thread.

First off let me apologise to Boards, Devore and all the mods for putting them in an awkward situation and relighting such a flame topic. This was never my intention nor the intention of the club.
I had hoped this whole situation would sort itself out, clearly that will never happen, regardless if my employers come on here or not.

Let me start by introducing myself to those who don't know me here. My name is Paul Fox.
I have worked with poker events, The Fitz, Luke's and now I am a dealer in Blinkers and a poker player. I've been in this industry nearly 5 years.
I love the game and only have its best interest a heart. Anyone that has played against me or has had me deal to them will know this.
I'm not on here to promote or slate anyone, I am here because I think things are out of hand with this situationand on my own doing I have decided to post my feelings on this situation.

Since Vera's night, what went on after has been such a bitter pill to swallow.
Everybody worked so hard that night and the club especially to accomadate everyone.
Talking to anyone that was there, they all commended the club on hosting a great night.
I know I went around to most of the people myself and not one person had a bad thing to say.
Lets not forget we were all there for Vera's birthday, right?
In fact people that were there on the night loved it, for me, its definitely the most professionally run private members club I've worked in.

After that night I think you'll all agree the only way was up for the club.
But no. Due to Jps work commitments he departed the club.
After this the club opened an account on boards, to wish him well and to let players know that the festival that he'd cancelled less than 24hours before it was due to start would still go ahead.

They didn't want to let the poker community down on what should have been a great weekend of poker.
After that one post, the responses that came back where unbelievable.
People accused them of being thieves, of being underhanded, well you know the rest, the witch hunt began, answers were demanded. My question is this, where did all these accusations come from? Who's slating the club?
All they did was try to look after the poker community and ended up getting barred off boards for this.
Tell me why? And before answers come flooding back, tell me how someone , on the same public forum can accuse them of being thieves not get barred for such accusations with their only proof being 'SILENCE', or at the most heresay?

Imagine taking a turn and you come to an unknown street where you're confronted by an angry mob looking or the person who smashed all their car windscreens, they need to find a culprit, one of them shouts "It was you, get him", thats what it was like.

If that was you, would you go back to that place?

The club has always said that they will talk to anyone. They are always available to talk if anyone wants to ring or God forbid, come up to the club. Some people have and been satisfied to continue playing there.
I have been at outside games with the owners where players have asked me what went on, I've pointed out the owners and told the players to ask them. The players response? "Nah doesn't matter, I'll leave it."
Maybe its safer to hide behind avatars and nick names.

Since then we have worked on a new schedule. We have put measures in place to show that games are totally 100% transparent. How many clubs can you go into that have a rake sheet posted,individual tournament structures for any given night, rules posted, a tournament clock with a full breakdown of players, buyins, topups, rebuys, prizepool, and breakdown?
Check it out, you might find some but not definitely not all.

If anything is to come from V-day it might encourage other clubs to follow suit.

For those of you that have mentioned me in previous posts, I am not caught in the middle of anything. I am not looking for sympathy or pity, I don't hide behind anyone and no one hides behind me. I work hard and always try to improve myself and the game where ever I am and always make people feel welcome.

Just to clarify a point that Neil from Big Slick made about the club, for those who have never been and jumped to conclusions, the poker desk cash drawer is separate to the cage.

Anyway I think this thread has served its purpose. If things continue the way they are you all need to think about something. By continuing down this line you have all decided to take, there are nearly 30 jobs on the line, yeah you can all say its the clubs fault, just keep passing the blame.

How quickly will you forget? Do you still think about Luke's? Or do you promise to support him 'this time'. How many times does it take to realise Boards poker forum is a big voice in this country and whether its by your actions or in-actions you have a powerful role in poker in Ireland. Please try and use that role wisely and not listen to all the gossip mongers. Make your own informed judgements, and if you do decide to throw out accusations make sure you have the full facts and evidence before you ruin peoples lives.

Thank you for your time.

Paul

How about not giving us the whole heart rending story about who you are and how your job is on the line and how about answering the ****ing questions that were posed to the club.

Its a joke at this stage. The "most professionally ran private members club" who cannot even give answers to its members about an obviously dodgy tournament.

Bollox to all that.

Blinkers are a bunch of cowboys.

Cuban Son

Willie, this isn't about you. If you think you're the only person to approach me on the subject your mistaken.
If you think the questions you posted here were interpreted the way you meant them, you are mistaken.
You say you asked them because you knew no one would play there and being local you wanted the club and respond so people will play there, making it handy for you to go to a full club rather than trek into town.

If you think the angry mob saw your questions that way, then you are in denial.
You, who has been barred off this forum more times than anyone else, until you finally towed the line, suddenly your post has become the figure head of the greatest witch hunt since the inquisition.

And you're saying they interpreted it wrong?
You have done nothing to correct them I see.

Cuban Son

Theresalwaysone wrote: »

How about not giving us the whole heart rending story about who you are and how your job is on the line and how about answering the ****ing questions that were posed to the club.

Its a joke at this stage. The "most professionally ran private members club" who cannot even give answers to its members about an obviously dodgy tournament.

Bollox to all that.

Blinkers are a bunch of cowboys.

Thanks for your input, it serves as a perfect example to peoples attitude here.
You don't see or want to see the bigger picture.
Well done.

Macspower

Hi Paul,

Good and brave of you to come and voice your feelings.... As you know I think highly of you as a dealer/player and consider you a friend...

I commend you on your own efforts to get things up and running and that you have done with structures and rake clarity is commendable and a standard which all clubs should follow.... well done...

However like it or not a dark cloud still hangs over the club due to past issues..

In a conversation we had at the time I advised that you try and advise management to some on here and clear things up ... I think it might even be too late for this.... but better late than never.... you gave me a very reasonable version of things and I advised you to get them to explain what you told me to the public... this didn't happen and It seems from things I have heard not through gossip but "from the horses mouth" that the info you were told may not have been 100% correct

While I do agree with you on some things.... some posts on this thread about "I support Mrx", "I support the club" while probably well meaning, have nothing to do with the heart of the problem which lies with blinkers casino.

anyway I, like willie would love to have this matter sorted out as I too am local to your club...

Anyway you have made some points here that I believe are from the heart and which is fair enough but in doing so you have also got to the root of the problem....

Cuban Son wrote: »

Make your own informed judgements, and if you do decide to throw out accusations make sure you have the full facts and evidence before you ruin peoples lives.

This is all I and some others ever asked for... We cant possibly make an "informed judgement" with out in your words the "full facts and evidence"
So proivide us with the facts and we'll make an "informed judgement"
Your management "Blinkers Casino" are the only ones that can do this.....

I genuinely hope this can be put to bed once and for all would love to see this work out for the sake of you and your jobs...

Cuban Son

Paul, always level headed.
I have said to the club that coming on here would be a solution.
I can't make them.
Why would they, look at theresalwaysone's post.
No matter how honest you are there will still be doubters.
Its the nature of poker players unfortunately.

tm2204

Cuban Son wrote: »

Paul, always level headed.
I have said to the club that coming on here would be a solution.
I can't make them.
Why would they, look at theresalwaysone's post.
No matter how honest you are there will still be doubters.
Its the nature of poker players unfortuately.

There may well allways be doubters but if Blinkers come on here & disclose their side of the story at least people will have something to measure up against.

Staying silent and having you (an employee) post as an intermediary only makes things worse as far as I can see.

Cuban Son

tm2204 wrote: »

There may well allways be doubters but if Blinkers come on here & disclose their side of the story at least people will have something to measure up against.

Staying silent and having you (an employee) post as an intermediary only makes things worse as far as I can see.

I am not posting on behalf of the club.
Once again the post has been misinterpreted.

YULETIRED

Paul, you are doing blinkers no favours with your posts here. You've already made me decide that regardless of a reply to my questions I will never play there agian. One thing a casino needs to do is listen to thier players. If my dealings/bannings with boards.ie are being compared to valid questions I place to a casino well then there is no point in having a discussion.

I'm glad Dev was easy on you guys as I'm sure he knows you well , you should really use this to your advantage and show a progressive rather than a pointless defensive reply. IN my experience when dealing with 'customer' you need to be positive. I wish you guys well and I'll see you around at some tourny or other.

strewelpeter

Like some of the others posting on this I would like to have seen this club do well. It is somewhat local and convenient, had the potential to provide a regular supply of fresh fish and having played a few times there found the games very well run and attracting, just about, sufficent numbers to make it worthwhile. I didn't play the tournament in question and I haven't been back to it since. I don't remember meeting JP before Blinkers but I was very impressed with him there. And Paul I hope you wouldn't need to be told that I have the utmost respect for you and some of the other people I have dealt with before that work out there.
So why, when I found myself driving past the door at 1:30 AM this weekend with a pocket full of cash a few Blinkers tip chips in the car and a burning desire to play poker for an hour or two, did I find myself debating whether I should drive into town to play or just head home? Its simple Paul, there is no way I am going back in that door until the legitimate questions that were asked about the distribution of the funds that players put into the pot that night are fully and transparently answered. There is no witchunt, people are not making this up, the thread is still there and there are specific allegations about what was paid in , what the intention was for money to be taken out of the pool and what was paid out. Its all very well to say that everything will be fine and dandy in the future but these questions are sitting out there unanswered and despite all the reassurances that there is no substance to the thought, two very respected people seem to feel that their integrity has been brought into question.

ollyk1

Who would want to host the next V-Day bash??????

SE last year (look whats happened to them since)

Blinkers this year (nuff said)

2009 ?????
:eek::eek::eek:

P.S. I was away all summer and missed the event so can't comment on the specifics.


Paul,

This issue is going to run and run until the management/owners say something imho and you can't change that fact I'm afraid. You know I've got great time for you and I know that you are only trying to help your employers here BUT you can only make things worse by posting on boards about this issue at the minute.

Take care

Olly

DeVore

I'm going to try and talk some sense into some people. Give me a few days guys.

I have some questions:

1. Who took the money, Jp or Blinkers. I mean, who took the money out of peoples hands and where did it go (cage, poker drawer?)

2. Why did the prizepool shrink and then grow.

3. What was taken from the prizepool and what was it used for. (ie: adding these subtractions to the prizpool handed out should sum to 100%).

I'm asking these questions individually and separately of JP and Blinkers.

DeV.

JP Poker

DeVore wrote: »

I'm going to try and talk some sense into some people. Give me a few days guys.

I have some questions:

1. Who took the money, Jp or Blinkers. I mean, who took the money out of peoples hands and where did it go (cage, poker drawer?)

2. Why did the prizepool shrink and then grow.

3. What was taken from the prizepool and what was it used for. (ie: adding these subtractions to the prizpool handed out should sum to 100%).

I'm asking these questions individually and separately of JP and Blinkers.

DeV.

I'm sending you a PM regarding these question.

tm2204

DeVore wrote: »

I'm going to try and talk some sense into some people. Give me a few days guys.

I have some questions:

1. Who took the money, Jp or Blinkers. I mean, who took the money out of peoples hands and where did it go (cage, poker drawer?)

2. Why did the prizepool shrink and then grow.

3. What was taken from the prizepool and what was it used for. (ie: adding these subtractions to the prizpool handed out should sum to 100%).

I'm asking these questions individually and separately of JP and Blinkers.

DeV.

At last we get to the heart of the matter.

By providing this information the truth will come out.

This is ALL that people wanted answering in the first place.

JP Poker

ollyk1 wrote: »

Who would want to host the next V-Day bash??????

SE last year (look whats happened to them since)

Blinkers this year (nuff said)

2009 ?????
:eek::eek::eek:

P.S. I was away all summer and missed the event so can't comment on the specifics.


Paul,

This issue is going to run and run until the management/owners say something imho and you can't change that fact I'm afraid. You know I've got great time for you and I know that you are only trying to help your employers here BUT you can only make things worse by posting on boards about this issue at the minute.

Take care

Olly

I have offered to run this tournament for Vera next year free of charge in the Red Cow or Green Isle.

BIG-SLICK-POKER

Cuban Son wrote: »

I'm feeling physically sick reading this thread.

First off let me apologise to Boards, Devore and all the mods for putting them in an awkward situation and relighting such a flame topic. This was never my intention nor the intention of the club.
I had hoped this whole situation would sort itself out, clearly that will never happen, regardless if my employers come on here or not.

Let me start by introducing myself to those who don't know me here. My name is Paul Fox.
I have worked with poker events, The Fitz, Luke's and now I am a dealer in Blinkers and a poker player. I've been in this industry nearly 5 years.
I love the game and only have its best interest a heart. Anyone that has played against me or has had me deal to them will know this.
I'm not on here to promote or slate anyone, I am here because I think things are out of hand with this situationand on my own doing I have decided to post my feelings on this situation.

Since Vera's night, what went on after has been such a bitter pill to swallow.
Everybody worked so hard that night and the club especially to accomadate everyone.
Talking to anyone that was there, they all commended the club on hosting a great night.
I know I went around to most of the people myself and not one person had a bad thing to say.
Lets not forget we were all there for Vera's birthday, right?
In fact people that were there on the night loved it, for me, its definitely the most professionally run private members club I've worked in.

After that night I think you'll all agree the only way was up for the club.
But no. Due to Jps work commitments he departed the club.
After this the club opened an account on boards, to wish him well and to let players know that the festival that he'd cancelled less than 24hours before it was due to start would still go ahead.

They didn't want to let the poker community down on what should have been a great weekend of poker.
After that one post, the responses that came back where unbelievable.
People accused them of being thieves, of being underhanded, well you know the rest, the witch hunt began, answers were demanded. My question is this, where did all these accusations come from? Who's slating the club?
All they did was try to look after the poker community and ended up getting barred off boards for this.
Tell me why? And before answers come flooding back, tell me how someone , on the same public forum can accuse them of being thieves not get barred for such accusations with their only proof being 'SILENCE', or at the most heresay?

Imagine taking a turn and you come to an unknown street where you're confronted by an angry mob looking or the person who smashed all their car windscreens, they need to find a culprit, one of them shouts "It was you, get him", thats what it was like.

If that was you, would you go back to that place?

The club has always said that they will talk to anyone. They are always available to talk if anyone wants to ring or God forbid, come up to the club. Some people have and been satisfied to continue playing there.
I have been at outside games with the owners where players have asked me what went on, I've pointed out the owners and told the players to ask them. The players response? "Nah doesn't matter, I'll leave it."
Maybe its safer to hide behind avatars and nick names.

Since then we have worked on a new schedule. We have put measures in place to show that games are totally 100% transparent. How many clubs can you go into that have a rake sheet posted,individual tournament structures for any given night, rules posted, a tournament clock with a full breakdown of players, buyins, topups, rebuys, prizepool, and breakdown?
Check it out, you might find some but not definitely not all.

If anything is to come from V-day it might encourage other clubs to follow suit.

For those of you that have mentioned me in previous posts, I am not caught in the middle of anything. I am not looking for sympathy or pity, I don't hide behind anyone and no one hides behind me. I work hard and always try to improve myself and the game where ever I am and always make people feel welcome.

Just to clarify a point that Neil from Big Slick made about the club, for those who have never been and jumped to conclusions, the poker desk cash drawer is separate to the cage.

Anyway I think this thread has served its purpose. If things continue the way they are you all need to think about something. By continuing down this line you have all decided to take, there are nearly 30 jobs on the line, yeah you can all say its the clubs fault, just keep passing the blame.

How quickly will you forget? Do you still think about Luke's? Or do you promise to support him 'this time'. How many times does it take to realise Boards poker forum is a big voice in this country and whether its by your actions or in-actions you have a powerful role in poker in Ireland. Please try and use that role wisely and not listen to all the gossip mongers. Make your own informed judgements, and if you do decide to throw out accusations make sure you have the full facts and evidence before you ruin peoples lives.

Thank you for your time.

Paul

Point is Paul , Its not your call on this its the owners . And they will not respond Jp is on trying to Defend his name and coming accross fine . Devore has every right to ask teh Questions as the Mod , And nobody is questioning yourself for doing a fine job. But i still feel someone should come on from Blinkers and make and official statement . I mean if it was me i would be on trying to clear my name or clear up the matter .

Transparency for future events is fine and i take that onboard but its the tranparency of the previous event that is the problem.Nobody is saying that this will happen again but i think the players should be given an official statement. I mean if u have time to post about future events post about the problem with DDay as i would now call it .


Neill

green123

DeVore wrote: »

I'm going to try and talk some sense into some people. Give me a few days guys.

I have some questions:

1. Who took the money, Jp or Blinkers. I mean, who took the money out of peoples hands and where did it go (cage, poker drawer?)

2. Why did the prizepool shrink and then grow.

3. What was taken from the prizepool and what was it used for. (ie: adding these subtractions to the prizpool handed out should sum to 100%).

I'm asking these questions individually and separately of JP and Blinkers.

DeV.

post the answers here and everybody can make up their own mind.
both jps answers and blinkers answers need to be posted

Yabbadimday

BIG-SLICK-POKER wrote: »

Point is Paul , Its not your call on this its the owners . And they will not respond Jp is on trying to Defend his name and coming accross fine . Devore has every right to ask teh Questions as the Mod , And nobody is questioning yourself for doing a fine job. But i still feel someone should come on from Blinkers and make and official statement . I mean if it was me i would be on trying to clear my name or clear up the matter .

Transparency for future events is fine and i take that onboard but its the tranparency of the previous event that is the problem.Nobody is saying that this will happen again but i think the players should be given an official statement. I mean if u have time to post about future events post about the problem with DDay as i would now call it .


Neill

LOL

derealbadger

i was there on the night and yes every body did have a great time but i still think that the real point is being missed if you spend E200 on a hooker you may have a great time but you are still geting screwed literaly there have been explainations comeing out via staff members in blinkers but every time they are being contradicted by the actual people involved if the club has nothing to hide paul then they should come on and explain there side of it we all know you and nobody is saying you did anything wrong but the people will lose their jobs line is a bit of the wall as poker players we dont go to a club to keep people in their jobs we go where percive we are getting the best value and where are views are listened to and evidently blinkers dont care about the views of players