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    #1382
    Suryavarman
    Registered Users Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭Suryavarman


    Digital Society wrote: »
    Dont be funny now.

    Ive worked there for a long time myself so i can speak first hand of the sweets they hand out to keep the employees happy. My opinions come from experience.

    Would you rather they didn't hand out the sweets so?


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    #1383
    Wanderer2010
    Registered Users Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Wanderer2010


    Personally I wish they wouldn't bully their workers out and I'm speaking from experience here. Horrible atmosphere, minimum training, timed toilet breaks and constantly threatened with targets. This is what you don't see when Richard Bruton comes down all smiles and photo ops.
    For anyone who says Eisthic is a decent place to work....well you know the old saying, if you aren't part of the solution you are part of the PROBLEM.


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    #1384
    Digital Society
    Registered Users Posts: 972 ✭✭✭Digital Society


    Suryavarman wrote: »
    Would you rather they didn't hand out the sweets so?

    No i would rather they had a healthy option and didnt enable the obesity issue which is extremely obvious in long term call center workers.
    Theres more weight gained in that place than the average farm.

    Better companies would give out free fruit to their employees.

    Freaks eat fruit but normal people drink, smoke and munch on sweets.

    Thats the Irish way.


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    #1385
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 29,273 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Digital Society wrote: »
    No i would rather they had a healthy option and didnt enable the obesity issue which is extremely obvious in long term call center workers.
    Theres more weight gained in that place than the average farm.

    Better companies would give out free fruit to their employees.

    Freaks eat fruit but normal people drink, smoke and munch on sweets.

    Thats the Irish way.

    you should see what sitting for long periods of time in front of a computer and answering phones does to your physical and mental health!


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    #1386
    BBM77
    Registered Users Posts: 1,879 ✭✭✭BBM77


    Digital Society wrote: »
    I came here expecting a seperate thread on this. This is huge news.

    Whats crazy about this is that it will provide FAR better jobs and experience than Eishtec ever could for 100s of Waterford Youth yet it barely gets a mention.

    I continue to believe that people here just like to hear bad news and are part of some kind of self fulfilling prophecy.

    Thats about 150 immediate families far better off for the rest of their lives. This company puts people back through college to improve their skillset yet Eishtec puts people on their fat asses and feeds them sweets.

    The next big employers are born in places like this e.g Nearform who are taking on another 150 or so in Tramore.

    This is a bit harsh in fairness. Most people would not be familiar with Arclabs and the Carriganore campus. I used to work there. When people asked where I worked most people outside the IT industry did not even know the place existed.

    It is great news though.


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    #1387
    Digital Society
    Registered Users Posts: 972 ✭✭✭Digital Society


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    you should see what sitting for long periods of time in front of a computer and answering phones does to your physical and mental health!

    Much less damage than lobbing blocks around a building site actually. Dont see many 40 year olds with broken backs and drinking problems that work in good IT jobs. Job security and far better pay tends to have that effect on the mind and body.


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    #1388
    Digital Society
    Registered Users Posts: 972 ✭✭✭Digital Society


    BBM77 wrote: »
    This is a bit harsh in fairness. Most people would not be familiar with Arclabs and the Carriganore campus. I used to work there. When people asked where I worked most people outside the IT industry did not even know the place existed.

    It is great news though.

    I was actually just talking about this forum. Bad news tends to be far more popular than good news.


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    #1389
    Max Powers
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    Digital Society wrote: »
    I was actually just talking about this forum. Bad news tends to be far more popular than good news.

    That's an Irish thing. Enda Kenny was right, crowd of whingers.not everyone obviously put you see people on here who can't wait to spread bad news.


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    #1390
    Max Powers
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    Seen on WLR that national nutrition centre being established in WIT, don't know details, seems positive though for WIT and indeed our nation's ever expanding bellies.


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    #1391
    imacman
    Registered Users Posts: 690 ✭✭✭imacman


    Max Powers wrote: »
    Seen on WLR that national nutrition centre being established in WIT, don't know details, seems positive though for WIT and indeed our nation's ever expanding bellies.

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/wit-centre-to-research-importance-of-nutrition-392307.html

    http://www.nrci.ie/


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    #1392
    invara
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    Another €5.4 million for Limerick.

    Jan O'Sullivan, acting minister for education for Limerick's final bit of pork for her village. I am sure the tender was above board; but given the huge pattern of money flowing to Limerick this stinks. The South East with the lowest levels of higher education participation, highest level of unemployment must continue to suffer. Crazy thing is that John Halligan was called out in national media for being parochial!

    http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/205920/Award-of--5-4m-to.html


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    #1393
    fuzzy dunlop
    Registered Users Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭fuzzy dunlop


    Digital Society wrote: »
    I was actually just talking about this forum. Bad news tends to be far more popular than good news.

    There is nothing to stop you starting a thread on it yourself.


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    #1394
    imacman
    Registered Users Posts: 690 ✭✭✭imacman


    Some general commentary on TU legislation
    http://www.universityobserver.ie/comment/legislating-for-better-education/


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    #1395
    imacman
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    Breaking news , John Hailligan has the WIT applying for TU status alone as part of his support deal for the government .This follows on the same deal for Athlone IT
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/plans-for-upgrade-of-athlone-it-to-university-is-in-deal-34696962.html
    No forced merger with Carlow


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    #1396
    JaCrispy
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    Parish pump Ireland at it best. Wonder if the decriers of Howlins parish pump politics in Wexford over the past few years will similarly denounce Halligans antics?


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    #1397
    O Riain
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    JaCrispy wrote: »
    Parish pump Ireland at it best. Wonder if the decriers of Howlins parish pump politics in Wexford over the past few years will similarly denounce Halligans antics?

    If W.I.T. was just getting upgraded out of the blue with no merit for an upgrade then I would agree with you.

    The fact is that W.I.T. is one of the best Institutes of Technology in the country and has a strong argument to be upgraded as a stand alone university. The merger with Carlow was an absolute joke and anyone with half a brain (and not involved with Carlow) can realise this straight away.


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    #1398
    imacman
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    Absolute parish pump, but it could be said that the whole TU process grew out of the parish pump politics of Hogan and Howlin.Forced mergers never made sense in the first place and if the whole process is opening up (and it looks like it will have to if AIT and WIT are allowed to go it alone ) Carlowit will be free to apply on their own and try to reach the criteria


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    #1399
    imacman
    Registered Users Posts: 690 ✭✭✭imacman


    O Riain wrote: »
    If W.I.T. was just getting upgraded out of the blue with no merit for an upgrade then I would agree with you.

    The fact is that W.I.T. is one of the best Institutes of Technology in the country and has a strong argument to be upgraded as a stand alone university. The merger with Carlow was an absolute joke and anyone with half a brain (and not involved with Carlow) can realise this straight away.

    WIT will still have reach the criteria , there should be no rubber stamp technological universities


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    #1400
    O Riain
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭O Riain


    imacman wrote: »
    O Riain wrote: »
    If W.I.T. was just getting upgraded out of the blue with no merit for an upgrade then I would agree with you.

    The fact is that W.I.T. is one of the best Institutes of Technology in the country and has a strong argument to be upgraded as a stand alone university. The merger with Carlow was an absolute joke and anyone with half a brain (and not involved with Carlow) can realise this straight away.

    WIT will still have reach the criteria , there should be no rubber stamp technological universities
    I 100% agree, and this decision does mean not that the W.I.T. is now upgraded, it will still have to go through the standard process and then be reviewed to see if it is worthy of an upgrade.

    This amendment is common sense, not parish pump.


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    #1401
    JaCrispy
    Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭JaCrispy


    imacman wrote: »
    Breaking news , John Hailligan has the WIT applying for TU status alone as part of his support deal for the government .This follows on the same deal for Athlone IT
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/plans-for-upgrade-of-athlone-it-to-university-is-in-deal-34696962.html
    No forced merger with Carlow

    It doesn't mention anything about a WIT upgrade. Just an Athlone one.

    Considering that Athlone IT never even considered (or was considered for) a merger and subsequent TU upgrade. People think that they will be parachuted straight into the TU landscape? Please.

    It just shows how much water these parish pump promises hold.


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    #1402
    Suryavarman
    Registered Users Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭Suryavarman


    The funny thing about the proposed merger was that it left WIT further away from meeting the University criteria than if it went for it as a standalone institution. The only thing here being relaxed is one element of the criteria that made little to no sense in the first place.


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    #1403
    7upfree
    Registered Users Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭7upfree


    JaCrispy wrote: »
    Parish pump Ireland at it best. Wonder if the decriers of Howlins parish pump politics in Wexford over the past few years will similarly denounce Halligans antics?

    After what Howlin did to Waterford???????


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    JaCrispy
    Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭JaCrispy


    7upfree wrote: »
    After what Howlin did to Waterford???????

    Dunno what you are asking but there were numerous posts about the issue of parish pump politics throughout this thread.

    http://www.boards.ie/search/submit/?thread=2055386394&query=parish

    I wonder will they decry Halligans tactics?


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    O Riain
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭O Riain


    JaCrispy wrote: »
    7upfree wrote: »
    After what Howlin did to Waterford???????

    Dunno what you are asking but there were numerous posts about the issue of parish pump politics throughout this thread.

    http://www.boards.ie/search/submit/?thread=2055386394&query=parish

    I wonder will they decry Halligans tactics?

    What has Waterford immediately gained and another county lost? Carlow haven't lost anything because the TU merger would have never gone ahead in that form anyway!


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    #1406
    imacman
    Registered Users Posts: 690 ✭✭✭imacman


    O Riain wrote: »
    What has Waterford immediately gained and another county lost? Carlow haven't lost anything because the TU merger would have never gone ahead in that form anyway!
    Exactly Carlow loses nothing as they never has a university agenda till Big Phil and Howlin threw it into their lap with the forced merger.
    The realpolitik of this situation is the TU merger clause is controversial , the TUI is against it and Fianna Fail have come out against the forced mergers.
    https://www.fiannafail.ie/fianna-fail-will-scrap-labours-forced-mergers-of-institutes-of-technology/
    In a minority government Fine Gael dont want to bring forward contentious legislation. So dropping the merger clause is a easy win , its main cheerleaders Hogan and Howlin are gone ,it helps get Halligan and Boxer Moran on board and ensures that the legislation wont run into problems with the TUI and allows Fianna Fail to support the bill. Thats politics


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    #1407
    okedoke
    Registered Users Posts: 924 ✭✭✭okedoke


    Will lecturers in the new TUs have to work through the summer, as lecturers in universities do. Or is the plan that they will still head off once exams are done?


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    #1408
    imacman
    Registered Users Posts: 690 ✭✭✭imacman


    okedoke wrote: »
    Will lecturers in the new TUs have to work through the summer, as lecturers in universities do. Or is the plan that they will still head off once exams are done?

    Good luck with that


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    #1409
    7upfree
    Registered Users Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭7upfree


    JaCrispy wrote: »
    Dunno what you are asking but there were numerous posts about the issue of parish pump politics throughout this thread.

    I'm not asking - I'm stating.

    * VEC - gone to Wexford
    * Hospital effective run from Cork.
    * Hogan attacked the city status and Council.
    * Carlow undermined WIT.

    And they talk about "the region"??


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    #1410
    edbrez
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 214 ✭✭edbrez


    Never thought I'd see the day Waterford jealous of Athlone.


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    #1411
    spaceCreated
    Registered Users Posts: 402 ✭✭spaceCreated


    imacman wrote: »
    WIT will still have reach the criteria , there should be no rubber stamp technological universities

    Yeah pity they didn't do the same like UL to WIT; make it a University and force pump money in to it until it met standards.

    What's funny is if the emrger happens in Dublin between the three up there they could possibly overtake UCD and DCU quite quickly in ranking terms.


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