Have you ever taken Ecstasy / MDMA?

tdv

took them for about 3-4 years on a weekly basis.

i had to stop taken them when i started getting sereve depression from them. if i took them on a friday i'd be grand sunday & monday. then when tuesday came around i'd start feelin the weekend catching up on me very anxious & paranoid & by wedensday just totally breakdown for no apparent reason. little better by thursday & then back to myself friday & ready for another round.

at the time i never really thaught the depression had anything to do with taken e or maybe i just didnt want to believe it had anything to do with it. but once i stopped taken them i never got these mid-week depression spells again.

Feelgood

vicount wrote: »

Back in the day 91, 92 ish, no body was drinking alcohol with E, it was non productive, alcohol counters the effects of mdma etc,so ya wouldnt get the same hit if you were drinking, i think people started to drink with E when E lost its strength, Pills are not what they used to be,

Too true...

In the early 90's...Taking E was nothing like it was today and it was considered a designer drug, whereas now its considered a scummy drug.

You really didn't need to drink on them at that stage and you would be still going strong on 1 pill right into Sunday morning. As far as I can remember I would probably have a pint of snakebite the whole night and water obviously. There would be no crappy feeling the next day either, you could eat a full dinner after a night out.

The effects of MDMA were also a lot different than they are today. You could be dancing with 50 people on the dance floor who you never met, everyone laughing, hugging or sharing a smoke. Not like now where people tend to kick the ****e out of each other.

Some of my most happiest memories where on MDMA in the 90's. Great times and I wouldn't trade them for the world.

Wouldn't touch the ****e thats going around these days at all though.

For anyone thats never taken E and wondering whats its like...This scene from Human Traffic sums up the end of the night on pills!!

L1011

Feelgood wrote: »

Not like now where people tend to kick the ****e out of each other.

Most of that is from cocaine + alcohol mixed, not (even absymal quality) E...

mrs.vandoorn

too much of a good thing screws ya up !! hav been in2 good tunes for the last 6 years done pills 3 times !! no problems wit me coz i know my limit and stick 2 it. Iv seen my close friends mashed in the corner, not a pretty sight but still DONT KNOCK IT TIL U TRIED IT !

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g5fd6ow0hseima

Not an ecstacy man, but i was once told that white pills with green/blue speckles were in circulation in dublin the past while. Someone mentioned the possibility of that being the visible heroin / rat poison in the pills.

Anyone ever heard / saw this bollox?

L1011

Claudia Short Numskull wrote: »

Not an ecstacy man, but i was once told that white pills with green/blue speckles were in circulation in dublin the past while. Someone mentioned the possibility of that being the visible heroin / rat poison in the pills.

Anyone ever heard / saw this bollox?

Sounds like the usual rumour circulation that does the rounds; claiming they're 'acid dipped' is another common one.

seanybiker

tried bangers a few times. Didnt like em so kept away from them since. Waste of money. Well waste of me mates money

MikeHoncho

seanybiker wrote: »

tried bangers a few times. Didnt like em so kept away from them since. Waste of money. Well waste of me mates money

They cost less than a pint.

jtsuited

Claudia Short Numskull wrote: »

Not an ecstacy man, but i was once told that white pills with green/blue speckles were in circulation in dublin the past while. Someone mentioned the possibility of that being the visible heroin / rat poison in the pills.

Anyone ever heard / saw this bollox?

It's absolute horse-sh1t of a rumour, but I even once read of a local judge handing down a fairly harsh sentence on somebody mentioning that the speckles on the pills were heroin.

g5fd6ow0hseima

jtsuited wrote: »

It's absolute horse-sh1t of a rumour, but I even once read of a local judge handing down a fairly harsh sentence on somebody mentioning that the speckles on the pills were heroin.

why would the judge take exception to that?

jtsuited

Claudia Short Numskull wrote: »

why would the judge take exception to that?

because he's a nut.
he was saying to the guy in the most patronising tone

'you know those speckles on those pills you were selling. that's heroin. you're dealing heroin to people'

when it really should have been 'i'm an ignorant idiot so I'm gonna go with the latest tabloid rumour about a drug I haven't got the foggiest about'.

It was about 2 years ago in a local court where I am.

electrofilth

just in court a few weeks back, for possesion of 11 pills at electric picnic 2007. when taking the stand the cops said they found 16 pills on me, with a street value of 160 euro. I kinda screamed "eek" in my head when I heard this, but just like everyone else that day i got a 500 euro fine, which was given to a charity of the judges choice and the probation act was applied, which means the conviction was overturned unless i get caught in the next while with more drugs. Great stuff, considering I am off to Oz in January.

The judge was very reasonable, but did I learn a lesson? yes, from now on I hide pills in a secret pocket and not in my pocket drunk wandering around a festival!

IMHO sepckled pills get you waaaay more ****ed up than normal ones, yet the contents of speckled pills are debatable.

g5fd6ow0hseima

got caught at EP? harsh, to be honest, its pathetic following up the seizure of 11 pills. Even the gards would have accepted it was your weekend stash, (or daily depending if you were bad on the drugs).

so pills are a tenor in the world of officialdom? peh!

RaverRo808

How did you get caught out of thousands of people carrying,you must been out your trolly,walking round talking sh*te chewing the mouth off yourself,and you let the gaurds search you,by law they can only ask you name address and date of birth,if they want to search you,you have to give your permission,and if refuse they have get a warrant

electrofilth

Claudia Short Numskull wrote: »

got caught at EP? harsh, to be honest, its pathetic following up the seizure of 11 pills. Even the gards would have accepted it was your weekend stash, (or daily depending if you were bad on the drugs).

so pills are a tenor in the world of officialdom? peh!

i rang the DS headquarters three times since EP, and one cop had me on for ten minutes and he was trying find my file so he could throw out the case, he reckoned i just sounded like someone who took the odd pill (;)) and there was no point bringing me to court. but of course the file was nowhere to be found so that was that.

electrofilth

RaverRo808 wrote: »

How did you get caught out of thousands of people carrying,you must been out your trolly,walking round talking sh*te chewing the mouth off yourself,and you let the gaurds search you,by law they can only ask you name address and date of birth,if they want to search you,you have to give your permission,and if refuse they have get a warrant

it was six on the sunday, i was sober enough and just heading back in from the offy in stradbally,(buckfast down my pants and all) so i walk up to the place where you check your armbands and all of a sudden yer man sticks his hand down my pocket and pulled out the pills, didnt even warn me. then he shouted over to the DS which took things from there. I dont give a **** what you think my rights are, if the DS are ten foot away and someone just pulled a bag of yolkes out of yer pocket, your not going to spiel on about "rights", you are ****ed either way, and the best thing to do is comply.

RaverRo808

Well I wouldnt let anyone search me,only when a garda has a warrant,especially wouldnt let some dope whose working as a security gaurd for 2 days search or touch me,you may not want to know your rights,but your the bigger fool

JC 2K3

Can gardaí not search people without a warrant if they have "reasonable suspicion" that the person might be carrying something illegal?

Thomas_S_Hunterson

Under the Misuse of Drugs act, they can search people provided they have reasonable suspicion of posession afaik.

jessconr

Sorry, Slightly off topic

anyone tried the Diablo XXX pills from the Nirvana Head Shop? Any good or which Party Pills that they sell are better?

Thomas_S_Hunterson

jessconr wrote: »

Sorry, Slightly off topic

anyone tried the Diablo XXX pills from the Nirvana Head Shop? Any good or which Party Pills that they sell are better?

Google says it's BZP, the comedown will be manky.

JC 2K3

Drugs are always valued by the Gardaí at a much higher street value than they're worth in reality.

Pace2008

Do you know if it's at the Garda's discretion to provide this estimate, or is there a set price as such off which they work?

The G Child

Yeah, a tenner a pop is a bit ridiculous, but I suppose 16 pills at a street value of €160 sounds better than the €32 you probably spent on them. They have to justify the day in court somehow.

RaverRo808

jessconr wrote: »

Sorry, Slightly off topic

anyone tried the Diablo XXX pills from the Nirvana Head Shop? Any good or which Party Pills that they sell are better?

Whats wrong with having a pint,your better off getting the real ones,the ones in those head shops are sh*te

The G Child

Have to agree, those BZP things are gash. Just get the real deal dodgy pills. Much better buzz. Those party pills are a nightmare, worse comedown you'll ever have and you can forget about sleeping for a few days if you take more than 1 of them.

jessconr

Cheers people.

Yeah i think i might of unknowingly taken a few BZP's a while ago. Got them in a club thinking they were Pills. Had the worst comedown the next day and as for sleep!!....didnt happen till about 3'oclock the next morning

electrofilth

RaverRo808 wrote: »

Well I wouldnt let anyone search me,only when a garda has a warrant,especially wouldnt let some dope whose working as a security gaurd for 2 days search or touch me,you may not want to know your rights,but your the bigger fool

now you are calling me a fool?

for gods sake, all i said was the security slipped his hand into my pocket as i walked by him,I had no chance to stop him, plus they can search you for hidden bottles by law so how was i supposed to stop him even if i knew he was going to stick his hand down my pocket?

what rights are you talking about? cops can search you on suspicion, have you ever refused a search under your "rights"? doubt it, stop talking ****e and cop on

Helix

electrofilth wrote: »

they can search you for hidden bottles by law

no they cant

only if you let them, and if you dont let them, they dont let you in. thats the extent of what they can do

electrofilth

Helix wrote: »

no they cant

only if you let them, and if you dont let them, they dont let you in. thats the extent of what they can do

"only if you let them" well that goes without saying...do you think i would of stood there and refused a search for bottles, and not be let in? i dont really see what point you are trying to make...so, yes they can search you by law, because everyone is going to go in, that is quing in the first place. In all the festivals i have been at i have never seen someone refuse to be searched for bottles, hence not even go into the festival.

L1011

You're mistaking 'by law' and 'by convention' - its entirely optional for you to re-enter the campsite (and be subject to the search), nobodies forcing you to...

RaverRo808

electrofilth wrote: »

now you are calling me a fool?

for gods sake, all i said was the security slipped his hand into my pocket as i walked by him,I had no chance to stop him, plus they can search you for hidden bottles by law so how was i supposed to stop him even if i knew he was going to stick his hand down my pocket?

what rights are you talking about? cops can search you on suspicion, have you ever refused a search under your "rights"? doubt it, stop talking ****e and cop on

I was walking home from my elderly uncles one night,who lives 10 minutes around the corner from my house,at the time there was a fued going on in the area between drug dealers,an unmarked garda car pulled up,four of them inside,staring me out of it,asked me my name,which I gave,my address,which I gave,my date of birth,which I gave,they asked me where I was coming from,and other questions I refused to answer and started walking,one got out,and abused me,telling me I was a cheeky c*nt,and he was going to search me,I remained calm and asked why I was being hassled and wasnt given an answer,I asked them what act they were acting on,and had they a warrant,as they need one to search you and your property,he said no,but tried to search me,he said if I didnt coperate Id be arrested,I informed him that I had given him my name,address and dob,and thats all I needed to do,and that I didnt have to entertain them any further,I asked for a badge number and some ID,and if he wanted a search,get a warrant,get back to me,they knew we I live,which I didnt get,and told him this was illegal,how did I know he was a gaurd,at this stage he was going red and I reckon he wanted to deck me for making a fool of him,I said Im going to the garda ombudsman and complaints board,they called it a day,and drove off,I wasnt carrying anything,but wasnt giving in,you have be stern with pigs,and let them know your no fool,and always remain calm and never lose it,stand your ground,dont let them intimidate you,but then again you were carrying drugs breaking the law!

jtsuited

RaverRo808 wrote: »

I was walking home from my elderly uncles one night,who lives 10 minutes around the corner from my house,at the time there was a fued going on in the area between drug dealers,an unmarked garda car pulled up,four of them inside,staring me out of it,asked me my name,which I gave,my address,which I gave,my date of birth,which I gave,they asked me where I was coming from,and other questions I refused to answer and started walking,one got out,and abused me,telling me I was a cheeky c*nt,and her was going to search me,I remained calm and asked why I was being hassled and wasnt given an answer,I asked them what act they were acting on,and had they a warrant,as they need one to search you and your property,he said no,but tried to search me,he said if I didnt coperate Id be arrested,I informed him that I had given him my name,address and dob,and thats all I needed to do,and that I didnt have to entertain them any further,I asked for a badge number and some ID,and if he wanted a search,get a warrant,get back to me,they knew we I live,which I didnt get,and told him this was illegal,how did I know he was a gaurd,at this stage he was going red and I reckon he wanted to deck me for making a fool of him,I said Im going to the garda ombudsman and complaints board,they called it a day,and drove off,I wasnt carrying anything,but wasnt giving in,you have be stern with pigs,and let them know your no fool,and always remain calm and never lose it,stand your ground,dont let them intimadate you,but then again you were carrying drugs breaking the law!

interesting. while everything you said to him was correct, there is a law in this country (mainly used in public order offences i think) that states that if a member of the gardai tells you to do something, you must do it. unless it is an illegal act of course.
they have the right then to arrest you if you do not co-operate. ridiculous law I know but it has been used in court in the past few years.

i'd say in your case the garda realised he was barking up the wrong tree when you answered back and stayed calm, and was really trying to save face when he knew he was caught out.

good story though.

The gardai don't need any warrant at all to search for drugs under the Misuse of Drugs legislation. They may carry out a search on a person or a vehicle where they have reasonable cause to suspect that person has possession of a substance. In fact, if you resist a search and subsequently a substance is found, you may (depending on how thick you get) even remove the possibility of mitigating the penalty with the usual 'cooperated fully with the Gardai' line.

Zascar

I think this is a good rule. Think of all the little scummers wandering around with Knives and weapons etc. If they know the Gardai could stop and search them any time they would be less likely to carry weapons etc. I think this is the case in the UK.

13 year old shooting that guy earlier this week springs to mind.

Zascar

Zascar wrote: »

I think this is a good rule. Think of all the little scummers wandering around with Knives and weapons etc.

But on the other hand there is no general stop and search provisions. Not sure it can be done for weapons at all. We're not in a Police State yet! But they do have the power under Section 26 or 27 or something in the 1977 Misuse of Drugs Act as amended.

g5fd6ow0hseima

electrofilth wrote: »

it was six on the sunday, i was sober enough and just heading back in from the offy in stradbally,(buckfast down my pants and all) so i walk up to the place where you check your armbands and all of a sudden yer man sticks his hand down my pocket and pulled out the pills, didnt even warn me. then he shouted over to the DS which took things from there. I dont give a **** what you think my rights are, if the DS are ten foot away and someone just pulled a bag of yolkes out of yer pocket, your not going to spiel on about "rights", you are ****ed either way, and the best thing to do is comply.

Anytime yer leaving the campsite to re-stock on booze, give whatever 'valuables' (watches, keys etc) to mates back in the campsite, no point in bringing them outside with ya!

electrofilth

RaverRo808 wrote: »

I was walking home from my elderly uncles one night,who lives 10 minutes around the corner from my house,at the time there was a fued going on in the area between drug dealers,an unmarked garda car pulled up,four of them inside,staring me out of it,asked me my name,which I gave,my address,which I gave,my date of birth,which I gave,they asked me where I was coming from,and other questions I refused to answer and started walking,one got out,and abused me,telling me I was a cheeky c*nt,and he was going to search me,I remained calm and asked why I was being hassled and wasnt given an answer,I asked them what act they were acting on,and had they a warrant,as they need one to search you and your property,he said no,but tried to search me,he said if I didnt coperate Id be arrested,I informed him that I had given him my name,address and dob,and thats all I needed to do,and that I didnt have to entertain them any further,I asked for a badge number and some ID,and if he wanted a search,get a warrant,get back to me,they knew we I live,which I didnt get,and told him this was illegal,how did I know he was a gaurd,at this stage he was going red and I reckon he wanted to deck me for making a fool of him,I said Im going to the garda ombudsman and complaints board,they called it a day,and drove off,I wasnt carrying anything,but wasnt giving in,you have be stern with pigs,and let them know your no fool,and always remain calm and never lose it,stand your ground,dont let them intimidate you,but then again you were carrying drugs breaking the law!

exactly thats the thing, i knew well i was ****ed so i just co-operated, looks alot better in court to have done that than try wiggle yer way around. no big deal to me now, paid my fine and got no conviction, so i am happy out. I totally agree with what you say about knowing your rights and defending yourself against the cops, but if ya actually saw the situation i was in, i barely had a chance to think straight ya know. I am sure they could of done me for "posession with intent to sell" considering i had 11 on me(16 accoording to them), and they actually said because i was being so straight up about it that it would only go down as possession. So you have respect thw whole "two sides to every story" kinda thing

Porkpie

Should have given an option in the poll of 'only a few times'. I'm sure there are many that are beween the 'once' and 'several times' options.

Pace2008

Porkpie wrote: »

Should have given an option in the poll of 'only a few times'. I'm sure there are many that are beween the 'once' and 'several times' options.

'Once you pop you just can't stop!' :pac::pac::pac:

FruitLover

Porkpie wrote: »

Should have given an option in the poll of 'only a few times'. I'm sure there are many that are beween the 'once' and 'several times' options.

How many is 'a few'? To one person, 'a few' might be 3. To the next, whose mates have done over 500, 'a few' might be 30. Both of these are covered by 'several times' anyway (maybe it should be called 'more than once'?).

Anyway, (part of) the original point of the poll was to show that the vast majority of people who read this board have taken ecstasy/MDMA at least once, sparked by some guy getting all high-and-mighty about some news article "assuming" that most people into electronic music have taken drugs. Turns out they were right!

Standman

DEmeant0r wrote: »

I've been on and off the dance scene only for the last 5-6 years, and no I haven't taken any yokes ever. I love music for the music.

To quote Otto from the simpsons "I don't need drugs to enjoy this, just to enhance it!"

RaverRo808

Standman wrote: »

To quote Otto from the simpsons "I don't need drugs to enjoy this, just to enhance it!"

'Go buy a suit'..........'I'll buy a suit.........a suit of drugs,hahahaha'

fruit lollie

Does anyone know why it is so difficult to get mdma now? I mean, the pills that are out there are absalute rubbish! They are speed, not E! It is so frustrating to see that coke is taking over our city. Why would people want to spend so much on that stuff is beyond me. Anyway, would appreciate if someone can answere my question. I need to know if i give up searching now or is it hiding somewhere i don't know about Hehehe...:D

jonny68

fruit lollie wrote: »

Does anyone know why it is so difficult to get mdma now? I mean, the pills that are out there are absalute rubbish! They are speed, not E! It is so frustrating to see that coke is taking over our city. Why would people want to spend so much on that stuff is beyond me. Anyway, would appreciate if someone can answere my question. I need to know if i give up searching now or is it hiding somewhere i don't know about Hehehe...:D

fruit lollie

well that frightened the ****e out of me!

Lia_lia

Ah yeah. I took ****loads of the stuff until it started making me feel like I was going to die. Yocky anxiety. Only the odd time now.

Probably shouldn't have. Oh well.

jonny68

I'm still a bit surprised that 52 people voted in this poll they never took anything, im not suggesting for a minute you have to take any drugs to enjoy dance music but most people ive spoke to who are into the scene have at one time taken something..but no probs everyone to their own and all that

InTranceWeTrust

fruit lollie wrote: »

Does anyone know why it is so difficult to get mdma now? I mean, the pills that are out there are absalute rubbish! They are speed, not E! It is so frustrating to see that coke is taking over our city. Why would people want to spend so much on that stuff is beyond me. Anyway, would appreciate if someone can answere my question. I need to know if i give up searching now or is it hiding somewhere i don't know about Hehehe...:D

The ingredient is these rubbish pills isn't speed. It is a class of drugs known as piperazines, BZP, MCPP and the like. They are quite possibly the worst drugs in existence.

Real "ecstasy" is MDMA.

There are several reasons why they have replaced MDMA as the active ingredient of most pills.

1. Piperazines are legal in most countries (BZP has only just been made illegal in Ireland as far as I know). This...

2. reduces the risks for large scale manufactures who would otherwise be dealing in Kilos of MDMA every week. You cannot be prosecuted for having thousands of pills which contain no illegal or restricted chemicals


3. Holland is one of the largest manufacturers and exporters of MDMA. The government there has recently banned the precursors necessary for synthesizing MDMA, and large batches of the precursor chemicals were recently seized meaning that very little MDMA is being produced at the minute.

4. Piperazines can be manufactured legally by large industrial labs which makes it very very cheap and therefore it is tempting for unscrupulous dealers to make it into pills, especially as there is a worldwide MDMA shortage at the moment.

Piperazines have an effect on the body similar to amphetamines, in the sense that they speed up your central nervous system, cause you to grind your teeth and make you unable to sleep. They are NOTHING like MDMA, and they are much worse for you than either real ecstasy (MDMA) or amphetamines. Just because something is legal doesn't make it safe. Likewise just because something is illegal doesn't necessarily mean it's dangerous.

I think it is very sad that most kids who take pills these days don't experience the intense pleasure that MDMA can give because of the ****e state of the tablets. Inexperienced users accept that the piperazine buzz is in fact the buzz from ecstasy.

I have being trying unsuccessfully to have boards put a stick in the clubbing forum to warn people about these ****e pills. At least 95% of pills today DON'T CONTAIN ANY ECSTASY. MDMA crystal is a somewhat safer bet, but alas there is piperazine crystal in circulation as well.

BUY A TESTING KIT. They are legal, inexpensive, can be bought easily on the internet and delivered straight to your door. DO NOT TAKE ANY PILL UNTIL YOU HAVE TESTED IT. Also be aware that some manufactures will put a few mg of MDMA in the pills along with the piperazines to trick the test kits, so if your reagent takes ages to turn to purple/black then this is probably the case with your pill.

Straight to purple/black indicates that your pill/crystal contains some MDxx compound (ecstasy or a very similar chemical relative such as MDA).

Mods please don't delete this post.

JC 2K3

I'm pretty sure more than 5% of pills have MDxx in them, and I wouldn't think most pills would have piperazines in them. I'd say a lot of pills would have MDMA-like drugs like methylone, mephedrone etc. in them too.

I agree with your comment on a testing kit.