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This is getting a bit post-modern.How much more arbitrary can you get than proximity? Gimme a break
How more critical can you get than proximity, unless you spend all your life on the internet or watching television?
Here in the real world, proximity is crucial, and certainly not just for LoI.
Any self-respecting English football fan will support a club from their neck of the woods (even if it's Newcastle!). All others are bandwagonners who gravitate to the top four, thereafter to pledge undying allegiance to a brand, as in, I'm up for Halliburton. No, I prefer Shell Oil.
Proximity means that you can go to all the home games and really be part of the club, rather than being, at best, a day-tripper.0 -
Nope but the rest of the stuff is arbitrary too. How much of a contribution do I have to make Des? My family own shares in United. Not many, but then we're not rich. How much of a % of the club do I have to own?Did you deliberately not read the words "or maybe"?
I buy shirts most years if I have the money. I only work part-time cos I'm in college, and shirts are expensive, but y'know I budget for it. Failing that, Christmas and birthdays may result in a shirt. That money goes to the club Des.
I buy merchandise from time to time too. Got the season review and the champions league DVD this year. I don't imagine all of it goes to the club, but some of it does anyway.
I've not been in a position to go over to Manchester until this year, but go is what I did in August and had a great time. Bought tickets for the match (money --> club), went into the museum to learn a bit more about it, toured the ground. Kinda expensive, but ahh well. I'm also buying tickets for a couple of games off one of the lads on the forum actually! So I'll be taking my da over in December and probably a friend in February. Can't wait.
Sorry, but I don't sell any raffle tickets.0 -
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Enjoy domestic football, lolEnjoy your day tripsThis is getting a bit post-modern. How more critical can you get than proximity, unless you spend all your life on the internet or watching television?
Here in the real world, proximity is crucial, and certainly not just for LoI.
Any self-respecting English football fan will support a club from their neck of the woods (even if it's Newcastle!). All others are bandwagonners who gravitate to the top four, thereafter to pledge undying allegiance to a brand, as in, I'm up for Halliburton. No, I prefer Shell Oil.
Proximity means that you can go to all the home games and really be part of the club, rather than being, at best, a day-tripper.
What if say I live equidistant from 2 stadiums? Who do I choose then?!?! What a dilemma!
Or what if say I live beside Anfield, but my dad played for United for 15 years? Doesn't seem fair that I should be brow-beaten for supporting my dad's old club. He doesn't even have to play for them -- maybe he worked there as a groundsman for 35 years. I'd not feel ashamed about supporting a club that my father played a role in. I'd certainly consider it a more 'noble' reason than 'sure it's just around the corner, I might as well.....!'0 -
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Both teams I follow are too sh[i]i[/i]te to ever be in that situationnipplenuts wrote: »How any Irishman/woman could put their support of an Engish club ahead of their country is beyond me. For shame
so true... wtf... cannot believe how many people are putting club before country, cannot understand the logic behind thatClub.
There is no country.
Couldn't disagree more, regardless of how bad the FAI have f*cked up over the years, I don't think I could compare Ireland winning any sort of trophey to any other sort of sporting triumph...
absolutely amazed at some of the so called 'football fans' on here that don't even support their own country... unreal0 -
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Both teams I follow are too sh[i]i[/i]te to ever be in that situationThere's as much chance of West Ham/City winning the CL as there is Ireland winning the World Cup tbh.
Hence why I chose option 3!
I know that but thats point of this thread
Though if there was any chance west ham ever went champs league final I would prob be in east london if couldnt get ticket. And there is a chance for City you should know that0 -
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Both teams I follow are too sh[i]i[/i]te to ever be in that situationBut people can assuage these feelings by signing up for an army and getting blown to bits somewhere.
They don't have to pay 70+ quid to sit with a load of mongs in leprechaun suits waving inflatable hammers, and watching Duffer fall on his arse for 90 minutes.
Who said you have to go watch the match? I think most people would agree the FAI have made a right balls of it so far, but what has this got to do with actually supporting your country?
AFAIK all international competitive games are on Network 2, so in essence should be available to as wide an audience as possible.
The thing that really amazes me is that i get the feeling that if Ireland did go far in tournament (WC or EURO's), some 'football fans' on here wouldn't even watch the game on TV... that would be absolutely mind-boggling
Basically, I cant understand how anyone could pick A, as you are putting your FOREIGN club ahead of your country. And any of the LOI moaners should obv pick C... so who are the 29 traitors who picked A
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Country winning major international tournamentMr.Nice Guy wrote: »Surely it goes beyond being a football fan. It's the fact these people are representing your nation on an international stage.
I'm not a fan of cricket but I was happy when the Irish team managed to punch above their weight at the World Cup. I'm not a fan of golf really but I'm pleased to see Padraig Harrington doing so well this year.
To a certain extent, for many people, I presume it does go beyond being a football fan. As in the examples you use above, I too was glad to see the Irish cricket team do well (as far as I'm aware many of the team are not really Irish), and see Padraig Harrington do well, as they represent the country. That doesn't mean I've any really strong feelings about them. As you note abouve you were "happy" and "please" to see these things happening. This is not "support" in my book.
For me, support goes beyond this. Support encompasses financial support (buying merchandise, tickets etc.), cheering on your team, travelling to watch them play/making the effort to watch them play, where ever it may be and no matter how meaningless the match, your contributions to the club (be it in time you volunteer, help with underage teams, selling raffle tickets, running a local supporters club branch etc.).
I feel crushed if Bohs lose a game. Depending on the game, it can play on my mind a whole weekend and leave me pretty p*ssed off, looking forward then to the next chance to put things right. Don't even get me started on if we lose a derby game. Even if we put out a joke of a team in the league cup (to let the nordies win their tin pot cup
), I hate to see us lose. The emotions are just much stronger for me in relation to my club than the national side.Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »What I don't understand is people who say they feel no affinity, no connection etc.
It's your own country at the end of the day. For me my nationality is part of my identity. I think a lot of people feel the same way.
It's strange, to me anyway, when people talk as if that means absolutely nothing to them. I find it a shame to be honest. I'm proud to be Irish no matter what the begrudgers say.
I used to feel a connection with the national team, but I just don't anymore. I'm not sure when it all happened to be honest, it was a gradual thing, but I think since about 2002 onwards I've just lost interest in them. There are probably a million and one reasons why. I'll try to give a few below:
The way the FAI conduct themselves. They are a farce. Take a bow John Delaney - a clown of the highest order.
The FAI, who are supposed to look after the national league, promote it and market it, help increase attendances/media coverage have done pretty much nothing to help it. Without a national league, there would be no national side as far as I'm aware. Yet the disdain with which they treat the LoI is palpable. When St. Pats were playing Elfsborg, was John Delaney in attendance for one of the great victories by an Irish side in Europe? Was he f**k! He was down at the Galway races with Trap sipping champagne, getting some pictures taken to have his ugly mug in the papers the next day, and mingling with his cronies. He certainly wasn't "slumming it" in Inchicore (*deep breath, end of this part of the rant*). He doesn't even make an effort to show even false support the league he's there to promote and nurture.
The fact that so many players aren't actually Irish. I used the example of Clinton Morrison earlier. The only reason he's playing for us is that he knew he'd never get a game with England and it was in his own best career interests to declare for Ireland. Do you think he even considers himself Irish? And if so, on what basis? If we had 11 proud Irish guys from the LoI or local park on a Sunday, and we were absolutely sh*te as an international team (even worse than at present), I'd probably have a lot more affinity towards them than I do now as at least they'd have pride in the jersey and the country they're representing. When you have people wearing the green jersey who don't even consider themselves Irish, it makes a mockery of it.
The behaviour of SOME Irish fans. Whatever about the leprechaun hats, plastic hammer etc. brigade, but there's too many who go to the games and have no interest in actually getting behind the team and supporting them. The only time they get up out of their seats is to get a bit of grub at half time, they'd hardly even get off their arses to "stand up for the Boys in Green". I realise you get this sort at every club too, but I find there's a much higher percentage at Irish games. They just sit there, in silence, and maybe clap if we score a goal. They're also the very ones who'll laugh at you if you tell them you support a LoI club, 'cos they're "crap". But they're great "supporters" 'cos they watch Liverpool from their barstool/couch every week and almost all of the national side's players play in the EPL.
Tickets. The FAI rip people off. They move into a stadium capable of holding an extra 33% - 50% more, and yet prices go up (yes, I know rent of Croker etc.). Too many tickets go to corporate sponsors. I know money needs to be brought in, but it makes me sick when I hear people in work getting free tickets from a company they deal with, yet they've no interest in football, when there are genuine football fans who can't get their hands on tickets 'cos they don't know any of the suits/blazers and don't have "contacts" in world of big business. Then there was the whole scandal over the 1990 world cup too, lets not forget about that.
Minnowism of (some) Irish fans. All this crap of "sure it's the taking part that counts", or "we'll have a good jolly up anyway", content in the fact that we turn up and sure we're only a little country and weren't we great to get to *insert championship name* anyway and at least we're the best fans in the world, p*sses me off no end. It is the definition of minnowism.
Irish fans that booed Peter Lovenkrands against Denmark sum up why I dislike some of them a lot. Booing his because he played for Rangers? Come on, just because he plays for a Scottish side, who happen to be arch rivals of another Scottish side (Celtic), who gives a toss?? Mindless bigots some of them (and it was more than 1 or 2 fans, it was clearly audible on television). It just seems to me like there's a high proportion of idiots that follow the national team (although a different type of crowd seem to attend the away games...).
I know a lot of people on here have stated their surprise at the fact others have put their English club ahead of their country. It's not really that surprising. They watch them far more frequently. They probably buy a monthly fans magazine, talk about them down the pub, have a bit of banter in work about them and only talk about Ireland whenever there's a qualifier on.
Given the fact the EPL supporters are chucking so much money into the English FA, it's surprising that more don't either support England on the pitch as well as off it (i.e. financially), or that they don't put their English club ahead of the country they happen to be born in (Ireland).
I am proud to be Irish. I like to see our national team doing well, just as I like to see Harrington do well or Ken Doherty do well. Does it bother me greatly if Doherty or Harrington don't win whatever event they're competing in? No.0 -
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Why would you support us if you're from Dublin?Since we are talking proximity, I assume nobody would have an issue with me supporting Cork city if I chose to because they are a EL club?
Yet supporting Liverpool I get judged even though my house is pretty much exactly to within a few metres the same distance from Anfield and Turners cross.
See how stupid these arguments are? Can EL not just accept that there are people who just don't want to support the EL and leave it at that instead of constant sniping and trying to talk down to others because they are "better" fans.
I thought this thread was about club v country...You keep on brining up the LOI.0 -
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Country winning major international tournamentjesus christ how the hell could any f/ckin english,scotish or poxy league of ireland team winning their leagues be mentioned in the same breath of comparison to ireland winning the world cup!i actually cant believe the amount of people who voted for club..im a liverpool supporter and i couldnt give a flying f/ck if they won the league if i had the choice of seeing my country win a major trophy.whatever about maybe a league of ireland supporter having a greater allegiance to their club (which i still think is bull) choosing some foreign club over your country One of the funniest posts in the thread. Why do you call LOI teams "poxy"? A lot of LOI fans prefer their club to their country. How you think it's bull I don't know.
So,what sort of irish person are you?!?0 -
Country winning major international tournamentBasically, I cant understand how anyone could pick A, as you are putting your FOREIGN club ahead of your country. And any of the LOI moaners should obv pick C... so who are the 29 traitors who picked A
both "my" foreign and irish clubs are ahead of "my" country in this thread. not everyone solely supports a foreign team. and if youre that concerned with the "foreign" aspect, shouldnt you be off watching gaa instead of football, it being foreign and you being so hung up about that kind of thing like0 -
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Because they are all around us, and the vast, vast majority travel to less than a handful of games a season. A huge percentage travel to no games at all.why do you automatically assume that people who support english clubs dont understand this, or go to games regularly?
People understand that there are a tiny minority who hold season tickets and travel weekly, but these are the exception. They are deluded, but at least they are committed to their delusion 0 -
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Country winning major international tournamentBecause they are all around us, and the vast, vast majority travel to less than a handful of games a season. A huge percentage travel to no games at all.
People understand that there are a tiny minority who hold season tickets and travel weekly, but these are the exception. They are deluded, but at least they are committed to their delusion
whats deluisional about following the team you support?
my season ticket coz less than my drogheda one, and flights cost about €36 return on average coz i book early. spending money involves a program and a bit of grub. whole thing is cheaper than say a trip to cork for a drogheda game0 -
Country winning major international tournamentBit off-topic but related to this point: the article about Folan in the ST yesterday was cringe in the extreme.
I didn't actually see it, thank God. But I can imagine the kind of rubbish that was written. It's all too common in the Irish media.DrMorphine wrote: »There would be no buzz unless your a man u, arsenal, chelsea or liverpool supporter
Why's that? Or is there some joke I'm not getting here - can nobody else win the premiership/champions league? Surely there'd be even more of a buzz for fans of a club that win it if someone other than the top 4 achieved that.Since we are talking proximity, I assume nobody would have an issue with me supporting Cork city if I chose to because they are a EL club?
I'd say people would see it as pretty weird, including most Cork City fans, if you had no reason to support them ahead of a Dublin side (assuming you're from Dublin, have no connection with Cork etc.).Yet supporting Liverpool I get judged even though my house is pretty much exactly to within a few metres the same distance from Anfield and Turners cross.
You're supporting an English club, not an Irish one. Then people are giving out about others putting a club ahead of their country. If you love your country so much, why don't you support an Irish team instead of an English one?See how stupid these arguments are? Can EL not just accept that there are people who just don't want to support the EL and leave it at that instead of constant sniping and trying to talk down to others because they are "better" fans.
Yeah, I have come to think that maybe no matter what you say, what you do, regardless of the ticket prices, ease of transport, marketing, facilities, standard of football and so on, that at the end of it all, Ireland is a country full of event-junkies who'll never be drawn in to support an Irish team (i.e. not talking about just turning up to watch Pats and Hertha Berlin etc.). Please, tell me why there are people who "just don't want to supprot the eL", and how we can rectify this? There must be some reason you support the EPL ahead of the LoI. I realise this is going off topic so if you wish to reply by PM or start another thread that's no problem. I'm genuinely interested in how to get widespread support for the LoI in this country.
Maybe then my "Murphy for Ireland" rants to mates would make more sense to them
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I think that maybe the reason that LoI fans seem to be putting club ahead of country, and that EPL fans put country ahead of club, is that the LoI fans have more of a connection to the club than EPL fans, as they attend games week in week out, spend a lot of money on it, socialise with other eL fans, help out at their club etc.? So I'd suggest, that maybe LoI fans enjoy/feel more of a connection to their club than EPL fans?
Thought that is probably a topic for another thread, which will undoubtedly descend into LoI -v- EPL fans, resulting in copious bans and vitriolic rants. Should be fun . 0 -
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