UFO seen in Meath by Garda, Politician & Pilot...

murrayp4

Slow Motion wrote: »

Not everybody will make the convention (though I completely understand and applaud you pimping it at any and all opportunity:D), and four of a kind says he is only the middleman for want of a better way of putting it, and while he is defending himself adequately, he has said this is not really his thing, therefore would you not get Carl himself to come on as a guest and create a discussion thread where the can answer some of the questions that four of a kind is constrained from answering? Just a thought!

Good idea

6th

+1

I'll send Carl a mail before lunch.

Darragh29

Noopti wrote: »

Save Tara or the martians will invade us?

No, it sounds a bit like the same approach used by the folks who recently claimed to have found a Bigfoot corse up in the Rockies somewhere, a load of hype and expectation and talking about some future news conference with amazing evidence "when they are fully in a position to do so" and in the end it was all obviously a hoax, they were just hyping it up to see the coverage snowball.

6th

Just my opinion but I would be fairly confident that this isnt a hoax. Obviously there is the option thats its something else but I dont believe there is a conscious effort to mislead people.

Slow Motion

Darragh29 wrote: »

No, it sounds a bit like the same approach used by the folks who recently claimed to have found a Bigfoot corse up in the Rockies somewhere, a load of hype and expectation and talking about some future news conference with amazing evidence "when they are fully in a position to do so" and in the end it was all obviously a hoax, they were just hyping it up to see the coverage snowball.

Maybe, but I think it's too early to tell, as a an interested sceptic I am willing to wait a bit to see the evidence such as it is and then make my mind up!

Slow Motion

6th wrote: »

Just my opinion but I would be fairly confident that this isnt a hoax. Obviously there is the option thats its something else but I dont believe there is a conscious effort to mislead people.

Well, you've spoken to one of the main individuals concerned here and that is a lot closer than we have gotten to any of the other claims / hoaxes mentioned here and on other threads, and I do have a respect for yourself and don't believe you would willingly involve yourself in any deception either, so that lends some weight to the truthfulness of these guys, however I will reserve my final judgment until I have seen the video.

Darragh29

Ah I'm prejuiced most of the time, such is life!

faceman

Maybe ive overlooked this on my reading of this, but why are the public still waiting to be shown the video clip?

Slow Motion

faceman wrote: »

Maybe ive overlooked this on my reading of this, but why are the public still waiting to be shown the video clip?

Money! I would imagine that there is some financial considerations to be taken into account if it is as good as has been said then I would imagine they are trying to sell/copyright it. Just a guess, but it's something I would look into if I had something I thought was really good, but then I'm a greedy bakstard!

Edit: Wasn't RTE mentioned earlier?

Four of a kind

I've just been on the phone to Carl Nally and he said that he will be happy to answer all questions pertaining to this issue at his stand at the conventino on Oct 11th. He also said that he will be showing the footage that was shown at the UFO conference last weekend. I hope that this makes everything a little less confusing for those of you who were agitated by this whole thing.

Regarding RTE having rights to this...I was wrong. its some "hotzone" channel in Australia who are working on a deal to gain exclusive rights to show it. Again I did'nt ask for specifics.

When I told Carl about this thread he said for anyone who wants to see the clip in person to go to this convention.

Noopti

Four of a kind wrote: »

When I told Carl about this thread he said for anyone who wants to see the clip in person to go to this convention.

Eh....no.

I won't be going to his convention just to see a clip which could be complete arse. He should have the balls to simply open it up to the world for scrutiny instead of hiding it away for the people who want to go to his convention.

Slow Motion

Four of a kind wrote: »

I've just been on the phone to Carl Nally and he said that he will be happy to answer all questions pertaining to this issue at his stand at the conventino on Oct 11th. He also said that he will be showing the footage that was shown at the UFO conference last weekend. I hope that this makes everything a little less confusing for those of you who were agitated by this whole thing.

Regarding RTE having rights to this...I was wrong. its some "hotzone" channel in Australia who are working on a deal to gain exclusive rights to show it. Again I did'nt ask for specifics.

When I told Carl about this thread he said for anyone who wants to see the clip in person to go to this convention.

Fair enough but as I said earlier not all of us will be able to attend, so that last paragraph as an answer is not really an answer, however I have made my points and that is his perrogative.

conceited

Don't be a silly lads.
He should copyright it first if it is indeed the real deal then it will be massive in terms of significance.Why be an idiot and post in to the public right now?
Have patience.

Noopti

How can he copyright it, if it is not his footage?

Surely the person who filmed it owns the rights, and even if they signed the footage over to Carl to use, has he got the right to then copyright it for himself?

This whole thing is fishy.

Four of a kind

conceited wrote: »

Don't be a silly lads.
He should copyright it first if it is indeed the real deal then it will be massive in terms of significance.Why be an idiot and post in to the public right now?
Have patience.

I agree 100%. If this was my baby then I would have the business side of things sewn up before I went and showed it on youtube for instances where it would no longer be yours.

I'm very certain that once it logistics of the material is finalised then the clip will be readily available. Personally I don't see what all the hype is about anyways....its not as if its going to prove that UFO's exist.

Noopti

So the Garda who filmed it (ie: the original owner of the footage), has allowed Carl to copyright the footage for himself in order to make money from it?

Slow Motion

Four of a kind wrote: »

I agree 100%. If this was my baby then I would have the business side of things sewn up before I went and showed it on youtube for instances where it would no longer be yours.

I'm very certain that once it logistics of the material is finalised then the clip will be readily available. Personally I don't see what all the hype is about anyways....its not as if its going to prove that UFO's exist.

:eek:

monkeyfudge

Noopti wrote: »

Eh....no.

I won't be going to his convention just to see a clip which could be complete arse. He should have the balls to simply open it up to the world for scrutiny instead of hiding it away for the people who want to go to his convention.

Just to correct you there. The convention is one that's being run by a number of long standing boards.ie members, myself included. There's been a lot of interest in this specific topic so we've asked them to take a stand at the convention.

conceited

I couldn't give a toss who's it is I'm saying calm down and think logically for 2 seconds .
Copyright it and make sure you own the thing before you start plastering it all over the web having retards on youtube saying things like
"you fail"
"epic fail"
You8 know the type I'm talking about.
If this is true and you want to be taken seriously for once in your life you start doing this bloody thing properly..

Disinformation

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jon burrows

Noopti wrote: »

How can he copyright it, if it is not his footage?

Surely the person who filmed it owns the rights, and even if they signed the footage over to Carl to use, has he got the right to then copyright it for himself?

This whole thing is fishy.

Maybe the aliens are involved.....:D

monkeyfudge

Maybe the aliens haven't signed release forms yet.

Noopti

Ok then:
I won't be going to this convention just to see a clip which could be complete arse. He should have the balls to simply open it up to the world for scrutiny instead of hiding it away for the people who want to go to this convention.

My point still remains, he should have opened this up to public scrutiny earlier. Surely, if this footage is as incredible as it is being made out to be (and so far all we have to go with is a persons word, and a touched up screenshot) then it should be easily available to the public to make up their own minds. Afterall, and no offense, but I would guess that the majority of people going to this convention are going to give him and the footage an easier time then a public world full of imagery experts/video experts/knowledgeable scientists.

And if he is taking his time to wrap up exclusive deals, copyright issues etc, well.......i would question his motives.

Noopti

conceited wrote: »

I couldn't give a toss who's it is I'm saying calm down and think logically for 2 seconds .
Copyright it and make sure you own the thing before you start plastering it all over the web having retards on youtube saying things like
"you fail"
"epic fail"
You8 know the type I'm talking about.
If this is true and you want to be taken seriously for once in your life you start doing this bloody thing properly..

Disinformation

Copyrighting a video will not stop stupid youtube comments. Plus, and no-one has yet answered this, is the footage his? How does he own it?
He should have held a press conference and released the footage to the media and recognised experts for analysis.

Not take time to work out exclusive deals with Australian news networks.

conceited

Instead of thinking of instant satisfaction why don't you use your head instead of your willy?
Of course they will give him an easier time thats common sense.
If it is this significant and your outnumbered by about 100000000 -1 of people who don't believe in ufo's why give them the ball?
The media need to be convinced or your argument is the same as "pissing in the wind"...

Slow Motion

Noopti wrote: »

Not take time to work out exclusive deals with Australian news networks.

Actually if the footage is good enough for a network to shell out money that would be a point in it's favour, because if it turns out to be fake then the lawyers will rape him!

conceited

Stop editing your dam posts Noopti

murrayp4

So whats the story with this convention then? Where is it?
I usually wouldn't be seen dead at something like that, but if its near I might very quickly pop in and pop out :cool:

Noopti

conceited wrote: »

Instead of thinking of instant satisfaction why don't you use your head instead of your willy?
Of course they will give him an easier time thats common sense.
If it is this significant and your outnumbered by about 100000000 -1 of people who don't believe in ufo's why give them the ball?
The media need to be convinced or your argument is the same as "pissing in the wind"...

I'm not looking for satisfaction from this. To be honest, I'm not expecting anything more then the standard few lights in the sky in shaky cam.
My problem is the way it is being handled. He had too options in my opinion:

1. Announce this amazing footage and then release it publicly for scrutiny
2. Keep his mouth closed and only announce it when he is willing to show it/release it

He has announced this "amazing" footage and then, when everyone is waiting to see it, tells them he won't be showing it to them. Unless they want to go to a convention where he has a stand. In the meantime he is working out exclusivity deals etc etc
Right now, this video is being hyped to no end....due to his actions/inactions and it will more than likely end up resulting in a lot of people collectively shrugging their shoulders and thinking "this is the amazing footage" once it finally gets around to being released.

At the end of the day he is screwing people over, he is screwing over the public whom he has dangled the carrot in front of for too long and it seems he is screwing over the poor sod who originally filmed the footage by seemingly trying to make money off the back of it with copyrights/deals etc. Or is he cutting the original owner in on the action?

This smacks so much of the recent big foot fiasco so much it is unreal.

conceited wrote: »

Stop editing your dam posts Noopti

I changed the word "image" for "video". Get over it.

monkeyfudge

murrayp4 wrote: »

So whats the story with this convention then? Where is it?
I usually wouldn't be seen dead at something like that, but if its near I might very quickly pop in and pop out :cool:

Sticky at the top of the forum here:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055236227

Slow Motion

See the sticky at the top of this forum

Slow Motion

Noopti wrote: »

I'm not looking for satisfaction from this. To be honest, I'm not expecting anything more then the standard few lights in the sky in shaky cam.
My problem is the way it is being handled. He had too options in my opinion:

1. Announce this amazing footage and then release it publicly for scrutiny
2. Keep his mouth closed and only announce it when he is willing to show it/release it

He has announced this "amazing" footage and then, when everyone is waiting to see it, tells them he won't be showing it to them. Unless they want to go to a convention where he has a stand. In the meantime he is working out exclusivity deals etc etc
Right now, this video is being hyped to no end....due to his actions/inactions and it will more than likely end up resulting in a lot of people collectively shrugging their shoulders and thinking "this is the amazing footage" once it finally gets around to being released.

At the end of the day he is screwing people over, he is screwing over the public whom he has dangled the carrot in front of for too long and it seems he is screwing over the poor sod who originally filmed the footage by seemingly trying to make money off the back of it with copyrights/deals etc. Or is he cutting the original owner in on the action?

This smacks so much of the recent big foot fiasco so much it is unreal.



I changed the word "image" for "video". Get over it.

Dude take a step back! One thread on a discussion forum and a few tabloid inches is hardly "being hyped up no end". I am interested, but funnily enough once I log off I probably won't give it too much thought until I log back in and check this thread. And if it is a hoax, so what? You will be vindicated and the rest of us will go, "Ho Hum, another one".

loz

LOL

Noopti

I will log off and also not give a hoot about this video. But when I am reading the thread and thinking about it, well, it annoys me. It annoys me mainly because it seems to me that it is being turned into a way to make a quick buck.

Like I said, I hope the person who filmed it isn't being taken for a ride with this.

Slow Motion

Noopti wrote: »

I will log off and also not give a hoot about this video. But when I am reading the thread and thinking about it, well, it annoys me. It annoys me mainly because it seems to me that it is being turned into a way to make a quick buck.

Like I said, I hope the person who filmed it isn't being taken for a ride with this.

I doubt it! And as I said earlier, nothing wrong with making a quick buck, I would if it was me, I would also not try it unless I was pretty sure of the veracity of what I had!

jetski

Tenner bets this is a load of cock and bull....

Ask yourself why is every single ufo pic blurred.

And one other thing.... why in gods earth would anyone edit a picture to clear things up when its supposed to be evidence.

As if a "RED" laser isnt ironic enough.

6th

Its easy to slag the footage for being por quality but I've heard so many people complain about people NOT using camera phone technology to capture stuff as it is witnessed.

Same on these people for not having thousands of euros worth of video equipment with them while they are out and about.

Darragh29

Well now that he has created a rule for himself that says that anyone who wants to see this footage must go to a convention, this leaves him wide open to criticism that he is participating in a campaign to increase footfall at this event. If he just threw the footage out there and let people make their own minds up, he might have been left with some credibility.

Sorry if this ruffles feathers with the people who are organising the convention, it's just the way it looks to me to be honest, I'm just saying it as I see it...

6th

Well I saw that there was a huge amount of interest in this and that there was no sign of it getting released anytime soon. Based on that I asked Carl to come to the convention and give people the chance to see it and talk to him about it.

He really is going the decent thing here (and a favour to me) by giving people the chance and he is definity not looking to increase traffic to the event - it just happens to be the best outlet for the footage to people who have a genuine interest.

They genuinely believe they have something and I for one am looking forward to making my mind up based on seeing it myself.

Darragh29

6th wrote: »

Well I saw that there was a huge amount of interest in this and that there was no sign of it getting released anytime soon. Based on that I asked Carl to come to the convention and give people the chance to see it and talk to him about it.

He really is going the decent thing here (and a favour to me) by giving people the chance and he is definity not looking to increase traffic to the event - it just happens to be the best outlet for the footage to people who have a genuine interest.

They genuinely believe they have something and I for one am looking forward to making my mind up based on seeing it myself.

C'mon 6th, it's 2008, not 1908! We have the internet now!!! There is no earthly reason I can think of why he can show people this footage on a PC at a convention but can't post it in a more public manner, for example put it on the internet. It's obviously an attention seeking ploy, if there was any truth to it whatsoever, it would have been on the news by now. If a TD really saw a UFO and had witnesses, the hard bit would be getting him to shut up about it ffs!

6th

If its put on line then everyone can grab a copy of it. As for the TD, I wouldnt comment on what I saw until it had been checked out - he probably has to be mor ecareful than most.

holly1

I think he is right,he was given the fotage to do what he thought right with and he is,you are all gagging to see it.Just because he is not showing it publicy does not mean its bogus,if he can make a few bob out of it fair play to him and the photographers.I cant wait to see it.......

Darragh29

holly1 wrote: »

Just because he is not showing it publicy does not mean its bogus...

No, but when he starts acting like a child with a bag of marbles with the footage and insists that people pay into a convention to see this footage, his credibility goes out the window and it starts looking like there is another agenda at work me thinks...

6th

Again he has been invited by the convention and didnt go looking for an outlet. Also he is not making any money from being at the convention.

Darragh29

6th wrote: »

Again he has been invited by the convention and didnt go looking for an outlet. Also he is not making any money from being at the convention.

He's written off in my books, regardless of what video footage he has. If there was anything of substance to this, it would have been all over the media by now...

6th

Darragh29 wrote: »

He's written off in my books, regardless of what video footage he has. If there was anything of substance to this, it would have been all over the media by now...

I think the fact you are writing it off without seeing it says a lot.

Ziycon

This was commented on in an article in the Star yesterday for anyone interested in it!

murrayp4

6th wrote: »

If its put on line then everyone can grab a copy of it. As for the TD, I wouldnt comment on what I saw until it had been checked out - he probably has to be mor ecareful than most.

Actually according to The Independent, he is talking:

"And Fianna Fail Town Councillor in Trim, Jimmy Peppard, ran indoors for a camera on August 8 when he spotted a triangular-shaped object measuring "about a mile in diameter" in the sky, where it remained static for about half an hour."

Zillah

Ziycon wrote: »

This was commented on in an article in the Star yesterday for anyone interested in it!

Our thread or the topic at hand?


I'm not reading through the last few pages, I presume we don't have footage yet?

conceited

zillah wrote:

Our thread or the topic at hand?

And I thought I was conceited

zenno

any footage shown at night is a disaster. it could be anything. 3 lights doesn't always mean a triangle shaped craft. will wait for the footage when it comes out . i have been studying this phenomena for years and this is by no means a good picture and even if the video footage is clear it is still at night. unless this so called craft does amazing changes in speed directions it will just be another dark 3 lighted something. i've heard the british have a secret aerospace project going on just like the us military. could they be flying their craft over our areospace.

One subset of the UFO phenomenon has broken through to the mainstream. These are the infamous triangular craft. The reports are simply too many and too clear. The sizes of these triangles have ranged from small to immense. Most are slow-moving and low-flying; occasionally people describe them as boomerang-shaped instead of triangular. The fact that they fly so low, and so slowly, is a problem that demands an explanation, both scientifically and politically. Complicating the matter are the many witnesses who describe exceptional speed and maneuverability relating to these triangles, such as flat pivot turns or incredible acceleration. A key NIDS conclusion is that the actions of these triangular craft do not conform to previous patterns of covert deployment of unacknowledged aircraft. Furthermore, “neither the agenda nor the origin of the Flying Triangles are currently known.”

The years 1990-2004 have seen an intense wave of Flying Triangle aircraft, the study observes. Sifting through reports by hundreds of eyewitnesses, the NIDS assessment states that the behavior of the vehicles “does not appear consistent with the covert deployment of an advanced DoD [U.S. Department of the Defense] aircraft but they could still be top secret craft just like the triangle stealth bomber was.