Nights out.

Phlann

I'm usually so drunk when I'm in town I don't even notice these scary types.

There was a really weird guy on the quays last night though, presumably either a junky or mentally ill, who was really spoiling for trouble. Saw him ahead of me picking up his bottle of 7up and cursing blind at whoever had knocked it out of his hand.

Then he walked straight into me (intentionally, I tried to avoid him) and deliberately dropped the bottle again and screamed "YOU MUST BE ****ING KIDDING!!" and started hurling abuse at me!

I'm lucky I was with a chick cos if I'd been on my own or with male friends my first instinct would have been to turn around and point out that he did it on porpoise. Which is probably what he wanted me to do.

Yes, I said porpoise.

shenanigans1982

Darragh29 wrote: »

I haven't been stopped by a Garda and searched ever

Then bring a f*cking knife with you....or better yet a mouse trap in your trousers so if one tries to have a fiddle while you are on the ground you will at least get him. Its ok to live with being beaten up...not so much with being fiddled with.

m@cc@

Phlann wrote: »

point out that he did it on porpoise. Which is probably what he wanted me to do.

Yes, I said porpoise.

Was he from Whales?

Epic Tissue

Honey-ec wrote: »

Don't worry, everyone else got it...

I didn't.

I'm pretty much alert when walking anywhere, damn scummers:mad:

Wagon

Darragh29 wrote: »

I have my trade card in my wallet, nothing unusual about a mechanic having a screwdriver on him, if I checked my other pockets I'd probably find a spark plug, some wire and a 13 spanner!

To be honest, I can't blame you for carrying a concieled weapon around. If i was to choose between the life of a 30 something year old bloke, out minding his own business and not out to harm anyone or a little **** coked up to his eyeballs with about 9 mates behind him I'd choose the former.

The simple reason this has gotten out of hand is because people don't seem to want to take a stand. I was expecting a lot of posts at this stage of people saying that carrying a screwdriver for your own protection (and it's your trade anyway) wasn't all that drastic and instead it's a load of stupid bollocks about how foolish you are and your one of them etc...

Deleted User wrote: »

Seriously, if you're not taking the pi$$ with this post then I feel very worried for you. Are you that far removed from reality that you think there are gangs of blokes...randomly stomping people's faces into footpaths, just because they can?

Honestly, your post reads like a 1950's anti-cannabis senationalist police propaganda leaflet.

Also, "respectable 30 something Dublin blokes" don't carry screwdrivers in their pockets.

This post made me laugh quite a lot, especially the bit in bold. You must be some sort or retard. You have to be, there's no other explaination. If this wasn't true you wouldn't have so many people killed my gangs of scumbags every day. Maybe if a close family member of yours suffered the fate of being murdered on their way home from the pub, you'd think differently. I really can't believe how many people are willing to just act like these murders never happen. It's only the murders you hear about as well, there's loads of attacks and beatings from these scumbags who are just out for the laugh. A friend of mine was found unconsious on the ha'penny bridge a few years ago with blood coming out of his head and absolutely nothing was stolen from him either. What the **** else explaination is there!?

There are a lot of complete retards aout there who've allowed this to happen. Mainly the PC brigade who all come out with "he's from a bad family", "he doesn't have all advantages" and the classic "he doesn't have a proper education". None of these are an excuse to murder someone for the craic! Anyone out there who criticises a person for defending themselves is not much better then these little pricks doing the killings. Some of you need to get your ****ing heads checked and realise that if a young lad and his mates beat up or kill someone, its neccessary to lock the litte ****s up at 18 rather then giving them a second chance.

minidazzler

I dont carry weapons with me when I go out, in Cork, but if anyone ever attacked me I would not actually stop until they are either in a coma or dead. I might be brought up on manslaughter charges but I wouldn't give a ****e because my life is way more important to me than any other scumbags.

Phlann

m@cc@ wrote: »

Was he from Whales?

Not sure. He was very shellfish though.

Dinter

Darragh29 wrote: »

I realised I was dealing with a total scumbag and walked away.

And you hadn't been assaulted at that stage. You could have gone home with nothing more than annoyance at the scumbag.

Darragh29 wrote: »

The guy who had the keys then slunk into the crowd and I wasn't happy thath this scumbag had managed to find refuge in a crowd of decent people

A crowd of people with such obvious decency that not one of them had tried to help.

Darragh29 wrote: »

A bouncer came up to me and asked me did I have the keys of this taxi, I said I didn't have them and I pointed out the guy who did.

Why not let the taxi man point the lad out?

Darragh29 wrote: »

He handed back the keys, the Gardai were on their way, the bouncers head back to their door and next thing I'm on the ground with three guys jumping up and down on top of me. Ended up in A & E in Tallaght with a broken nose and generally in a heap..

Apart from being driven into your ribs from a scumbags kick exactly what use would the screwdriver have been in that situation?

Darragh29 wrote: »

I know if I had stayed out of that particular incident that I got involved in, I would have had one less trip to A & E.

You made a mistake in marking yourself out that no amount of crazed screw driver wielding would have gotten you out of.

Dudess

If it was a crowd of skangery girls, yes, I'd be nervous. Lads, no.

i71jskz5xu42pb

Wagon wrote: »

If this wasn't true you wouldn't have so many people killed by gangs of scumbags every day.

I can't walk home in the evening for the bodies of people killed by scumbags every day on the footpath. It really is that bad.

I don't know where you live, a cloud in cuckoo land perhaps?

Wagon wrote: »

You must be some sort or retard

No need for this. If you have a point, make it.

Turd Ferguson

Daxton Putrid Voucher wrote: »

Not even Vikings?

Not even Zombie Vikings!!

Wagon

Dinter wrote: »

You made a mistake in marking yourself out that no amount of crazed screw driver wielding would have gotten you out of.

Yeah, helping others is sooo last year :rolleyes:

rossie1977

there are scumbags everywhere and you need to be on your guard at all times especially if you come across groups of guys on your own. funny athlone is only making headlines now when attacks on fellas has been going on for years there, when i was in AIT in 2002 my mate got set upon by a gang of kids with baseball bats and ended up in hospital (he says he walked past them and the last thing he remembers is being hit really hard on the back of the head with a bat)

my cousin was badly beaten in manchester when he didn't answer a question a group of guys asked him

Galvasean

Daxton Putrid Voucher wrote: »

I can't walk home in the evening for the bodies of people killed by scumbags every day on the footpath. It really is that bad.

I don't know where you live, a cloud in cuckoo land perhaps?

So thats what it will take, you literally tripping over a dead victim outside your doorstep daily before you realise, '"Hey, this kind of stuff actually happens?"

Wagon

Daxton Putrid Voucher wrote: »

I can't walk home in the evening for the bodies of people killed by scumbags every day on the footpath. It really is that bad.

I don't know where you live, a cloud in cuckoo land perhaps?

Cop on! I didn't mean on every bloody street. And where do you live anyway? It's worse here in Dublin than elsewhere in the country (rivalled by Limerick). The shame is that on a weekend you can be sure that a few people have had the shyte knocked out of them for others amusement.

And the rents are too high in Cuckoo Land.

No need for this.

Yes there was.

Dinter

Wagon wrote: »

Yeah, helping others is sooo last year :rolleyes:

Er no!

The point is if you do involve yourself in a row you don't walk off whistling cheerily to yourself. You should be better able to forsee the consequences of your actions.

i71jskz5xu42pb

Wagon wrote: »

And where do you live anyway? It's worse here in Dublin than elsewhere in the country (rivalled by Limerick).

I grew up in Limerick, work on Thomas street, go out in Dublin all the time and walk home north side most nights - never any trouble, never needed to carry a weapon (barring the drumstick from a snack box). I'm well aware that this stuff happens. But the hand wringing, hysteria on here that seems to indicate people are getting killed or maimed every day is fantasy.

Wagon

Dinter wrote: »

Er no!

The point is if you do involve yourself in a row you don't walk off whistling cheerily to yourself. You should be better able to forsee the consequences of your actions.

That's true, but still I'd happily take the price of a broken nose say, if it stopped a mate from getting hurt.

Wagon

Daxton Putrid Voucher wrote: »

I grew up in Limerick, work on Thomas street, go out in Dublin all the time and walk home north side most nights - never any trouble, never needed to carry a weapon (barring the drumstick from a snack box). I'm well aware that this stuff happens. But the hand wringing, hysteria on here that seems to indicate people are getting killed or maimed every day is fantasy.

Aw cool you like snack boxes!:D
Shall we agree to disagree so?

Darragh29

rossie1977 wrote: »

there are scumbags everywhere and you need to be on your guard at all times especially if you come across groups of guys on your own. funny athlone is only making headlines now when attacks on fellas has been going on for years there, when i was in AIT in 2002 my mate got set upon by a gang of kids with baseball bats and ended up in hospital (he says he walked past them and the last thing he remembers is being hit really hard on the back of the head with a bat)

my cousin was badly beaten in manchester when he didn't answer a question a group of guys asked him

Another hotspot for this kind of thing is Maynooth. When I was studying out there, every week without fail someone student got the boll*x knocked out him by a gang of local scum. We were told that there was a kind of hostility towards students from local scum, maybe it's where ever you have decent people getting an education, it's in a way holding up a mirror to the local scum? The reflection doesn't look to good, so better make sh*te of the mirror so...???

Dinter

Wagon wrote: »

That's true, but still I'd happily take the price of a broken nose say, if it stopped a mate from getting hurt.

I bet you wouldn't break up a fight involving a mate and then just stroll off thinking everything was fine without first attempting to see if someone's gonna come after you.

If you got a broken nose it would be in a fight while trying to do the same to someone else to stop them attacking your friends. That's what mates are for.

i71jskz5xu42pb

Wagon wrote: »

Aw cool you like snack boxes!:D
Shall we agree to disagree so?

We'll agree that one or both of us is disagreeable. ;-)

Damn internet, some day I'll win an argument and everybody will bask in my correctiosity.

SV

Dinter wrote: »

Well the lad in the story was a millionaire banker in his forties so I would think his days of street fighting were behind him for a few years too.

Still ended up dead.

My 'days' of it are only in their prime, that's why nothing is said to me tbh.

TripleAce

The law with all the "human rights" **** is the real problem....ffs this bunch of scumbags go around beating up people like perfect cowards and don't get jailed unless they actually kill someone, and when they do they are out after 3-5 years. What a bunch of crap ffs, I would bring back a good old Mussolini-like regime and clean of the street from these scumbags....as far as I am concerned they could be executed on the spot, just to make sure honest tax payers don't have to maintain them while in jail.
And the most ridiculous thing is that if you actually try to defend yourself and send one of them in hospital you probably end up in trouble with the law yourself and have your picture on the first page of some random newspaper and get labelled as a criminal.

If somebody robs a bank and kill someone (not that I justify this!) at least does it with a scope; if you kill someone in war at least you have a reason (sad anyway though), etc etc....but what I hate the most is that these ****heads go around ruining people life just because are ****ing losers and have nothing better to do with theirs!

Ok sorry for the bad language, it seem that every time I post on a scumbags-related thread I get a ban, but I just can't keep calm.

Darragh29

After my own experience, I wouldn't get involved in any situation again, either as an honest broker or to break up a fight. I don't think its fair that people get slated for not intervening, most of the time when you do, you are the one that ends up in a morgue or in a hospital.

There was a good idea being thrown around a while ago, if you are caught on CCTV camera with your foot on someone's head, you do prison time, no ifs or buts about it... There's a simple solution to the problem, put it into law, no judges discretion in the matter whatsoever, if you assault someone and your foot comes into contact with that persons head and it's caught on CCTV and beyond dispute, 6 months in the joy, good look to ya.

rossie1977

Darragh29 wrote: »

Another hotspot for this kind of thing is Maynooth. When I was studying out there, every week without fail someone student got the boll*x knocked out him by a gang of local scum. We were told that there was a kind of hostility towards students from local scum, maybe it's where ever you have decent people getting an education, it's in a way holding up a mirror to the local scum? The reflection doesn't look to good, so better make sh*te of the mirror so...???

students make easy targets, the area i lived in galway was quiet but to get to the nearest dunnes you had to walk past a couple of scumbag estates, my housemate said he had a lucky escape one night while coming home on his bike; i remember hearing about a few people on their own getting attacked while coming home from a night out near the statoil and the quincentenary bridge area of newcastle in galway, walked home that road many a night myself and never seen anyone, so its really pot luck

Wagon

Wagon wrote: »

If this wasn't true you wouldn't have so many people killed my gangs of scumbags every day

Yeah....right. Stats/links/proof? How many, would you say, totally unprovoked murders are there in the country per year, never mind per day?

Wagon wrote: »

Maybe if a close family member of yours suffered the fate of being murdered on their way home from the pub, you'd think differently.

Maybe if your father / son / brother was splashed all over the tabloids and was sent down for 15-20 yrs for slashing somebody with a stanley blade or sticking a phillips-head screwdriver into some piebalds eye-socket, you'd think differently.

Wagon wrote: »

retard

Darragh29 wrote: »

Not taking the piss at all. Every single pub you go into on a Saturday night, there are people doing coke, maybe your one of them and that's why you can't understand the gravity of the problem.

Firstly, no not every pub. Secondly, There are not marauding gangs of people coked up to the eyebrows doling out beatings randomly on the streets. There just aren't. Thirdly, as i already said, The thought that coke would somehow make someone more determined or stronger or deranged enough to just kick someone to death for no reason is laughable.

You could argue that it would make them braver, more confident etc. but the same argument could be made for just about any other drug, especially gargle, so why bring the Sunday-World-wont-you-please-think-of-the-children-style jingoism into it?

Darragh29 wrote: »

This one does and if I ever got jumped on again, I'd put one cu*t into the morgue and take my chances with the law...

Well then, by definition, you are not respectable IMO.


Look........I'm not saying there aren't people who get bashed for no reason. There will always be a scumbag-element in all walks of life. My point is that people living in fear, or resorting to carrying weapons and/or vigilante-ism are the real

Wagon wrote: »

retards

the drifter

yes i get this prangs of fear....it has lead to be beating the sh*t out of several groups of young lads just hanging around...my therapist says im doing well with my anger issues..

Ross_Mahon

Some people may call this dangerous, But i don't have lights on my bike, As it attracts unwanted attention from scangers who will attempt to rob your bike, Its like being a stealth bomber! People argue that you could get a bang of a car, If your careful you should be grand.

I also pull up the hoody when going through dodgy areas, If someone has their hoody up and you cant see their face, You immediately think 'Danger' stay out of that fellas path! People start pushing the locks down on their cars as you past them at lights, Its gas! It has the same effect on scangers, They don't know who you are...so they wont bother ya. Then again Gardai are more likely question you and give you hassle...just take down the hoody straight away as a sign of respect to them.

The best way of getting out of trouble on the mean streets of Dublin is by Negotiation or walking away.

i71jskz5xu42pb

Ross_Mahon wrote: »

The best way of getting out of trouble on the mean streets of Dublin is by Negotiation

Skanger: I'm going to fcuking kill ya
Victim: Kill me, no, no, no, how about a bit of light horse play
Skanger: I'll bate the bollix off yeah
Victim: OK I see your position, I could go as far as a wedgie and Chinese burn
Skanger: I'll be dug out of ya
Victim: OK, my final offer, you can rough me up and a clip around the ear. Take it or leave it.

Ross_Mahon

Daxton Putrid Voucher wrote: »

Skanger: I'm going to fcuking kill ya
Victim: Kill me, no, no, no, how about a bit of light horse play
Skanger: I'll bate the bollix off yeah
Victim: OK I see your position, I could go as far as a wedgie and Chinese burn
Skanger: I'll be dug out of ya
Victim: OK, my final offer, you can rough me up and a clip around the ear. Take it or leave it.

Speak their language, Offer them a smoke, refer to other scangers that live in their area, use Jedi mind tricks...

Or

Just dragon kick them to the head!

Monty - the one and only

Wagon wrote: »

This post made me laugh quite a lot, especially the bit in bold. You must be some sort or retard. You have to be, there's no other explaination.

I seriously suggest you re read the charter, partaining to personal abuse, If you think your in the right to post comments like this, think again.

Darragh29

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah....right. Stats/links/proof? How many, would you say, totally unprovoked murders are there in the country per year, never mind per day?



Maybe if your father / son / brother was splashed all over the tabloids and was sent down for 15-20 yrs for slashing somebody with a stanley blade or sticking a phillips-head screwdriver into some piebalds eye-socket, you'd think differently.







Firstly, no not every pub. Secondly, There are not marauding gangs of people coked up to the eyebrows doling out beatings randomly on the streets. There just aren't. Thirdly, as i already said, The thought that coke would somehow make someone more determined or stronger or deranged enough to just kick someone to death for no reason is laughable.

You could argue that it would make them braver, more confident etc. but the same argument could be made for just about any other drug, especially gargle, so why bring the Sunday-World-wont-you-please-think-of-the-children-style jingoism into it?



Well then, by definition, you are not respectable IMO.


Look........I'm not saying there aren't people who get bashed for no reason. There will always be a scumbag-element in all walks of life. My point is that people living in fear, or resorting to carrying weapons and/or vigilante-ism are the real

The only retarded person on here is the person who doesn't know how to quote different people in the same post without mixing them all up...

Dinter

Darragh29 wrote: »

The only retarded person on here is the person who doesn't know how to quote different people in the same post without mixing them all up...

Calm down, calm down. Move your hand slowly away from the screw driver and breathe.

Zangetsu

Not everyone is out to get you!




Exept the monsters in your head :eek:

Darragh29

Darragh29 wrote: »

The only retarded person on here is the person who doesn't know how to quote different people in the same post without mixing them all up...

*holds up hands*

Apologies, i didn't realise hitting the multi-quote button in a particular order meant the posts came up in that order, so when i copy + pasted the

Darragh29 wrote: »

of your post I should have done so to wagon's.

Post edited.

Monty - the one and only

Darragh29 wrote: »

The only retarded person on here is the person who doesn't know how to quote different people in the same post without mixing them all up...

i gotta wonder about some people... straight after i warn someone, you go off and do the same thing:rolleyes:

Darragh29

Deleted User wrote: »

*holds up hands*

Apologies, i didn't realise hitting the multi-quote button in a particular order meant the posts came up in that order, so when i copy + pasted the

Darragh29 wrote: »

of your post I should have done so to wagon's.

Post edited.

Haha, you wouldn't be looking so dumb now if you weren't calling other people retarded!!!

:D:D

Darragh29

Monty - the one and only wrote: »

i gotta wonder about some people... straight after i warn someone, you go off and do the same thing:rolleyes:

C'mon, I was just pointing out the obvious!

Wagon

Monty - the one and only wrote: »

I seriously suggest you re read the charter, partaining to personal abuse, If you think your in the right to post comments like this, think again.

I know the stand on personal abuse. In my defence, I'm a bit of a bollocks.

lordsippa

Hilariously I've never gotten in a fight. Ever. Never had anyone try to beat me up. Ever. And I'm a lil bit of a strange lookin fella (I look a lot like my avatar). I think the trick is to just be nice to people. I mean yeah sure someone comes up to you lookin for a fight or just to stab someone or whatever insane 1 in 90,000 chance (invented statistics) well... you're probably screwed.

But the point is... you go out with an attitude problem and you'll get one back. You go around acting scared and patronising around people and they're gonna get aggressive back. I mean the whole term "scumbags" - yeah I've used it more times than I should've but these are regular people we're talking about. I'm sure Ross_Mahon gets dirty looks and people thinkin he's one of "all those scumbags around here" but he's probably not out looking to pick a fight or mug you.

Yeah, be careful and all. But don't go around judging everyone - unless you want the $hit kicked out of you?

Dragan

Darragh29 wrote: »

Not taking the piss at all. Every single pub you go into on a Saturday night, there are people doing coke, maybe your one of them and that's why you can't understand the gravity of the problem.

Indeed. The majority of the fights however are caused by drunks.

Now then, carry a screwdriver in your pocket and it's a concealed weapon in the eyes of the law. Your trade has nothing to do with it.

Finally, you seem like the highly paranoid type.

It's honestly not a warzone in Dublin.

stovelid

m@cc@ wrote: »

Whenever your on a night out and say walking down a street, do you ever have pangs of fear if you happen to see a group a lads walking by. Increasingly I've found myself being nervous just walking down the street, especially when you hear reports of perfectly decent people being left brain-damaged or even killed, just for others amusement.
.

Not at all. I'm just careful like anybody should be. There is a difference between keeping your eyes open and worrying unnecessarily. That said, I haven't been attacked for years.

The brain damage stories are relatively rare. As are car crashes, and you're not shaking with fear every time you get behind the wheel are you?

LOL @ screwdriver. It's a weapon and will be viewed as such. Unless you're prepared to use it, leave it at home.

i71jskz5xu42pb

Wagon wrote: »

In my defence, I'm a bit of a bollocks.

Isn't that self abuse (not that kind of self abuse).
What does the charter say about self abuse?

daveharnett

m@cc@ wrote: »

Whenever your on a night out and say walking down a street, do you ever have pangs of fear if you happen to see a group a lads walking by. Increasingly I've found myself being nervous just walking down the street, especially when you hear reports of perfectly decent people being left brain-damaged or even killed, just for others amusement.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1064453/Three-arrested-murder-Barclays-boss-beaten-death-tried-defend-homeless-Lithuanian-man.html

Stories like this only fuel my fear.

I've identified the root of the problem there.
Sure, people should keep their wits about them and take reasonable steps to minimise the risks, but there are bigger dangers to worry about.

Darragh, the overwhelming odds are that carrying an offensive weapon will get you into more trouble than it gets you out of. A can of pepper spray, a religious icon or a rape whistle would all be of more use.

Darragh29

Dragan wrote: »

Indeed. The majority of the fights however are caused by drunks.

Now then, carry a screwdriver in your pocket and it's a concealed weapon in the eyes of the law. Your trade has nothing to do with it.

Finally, you seem like the highly paranoid type.

It's honestly not a warzone in Dublin.

Where I live, there is a fair amount of scum. I'm not paranoid at all...

Red Hand

Dinter wrote: »

Calm down, calm down. Move your hand slowly away from the screw driver and breathe.

I snorted a little when I saw this. Well done, sir!:)

DarkJager

Nope, can't say I ever feel nervous and I go out in Limerick!

I'm a big enough guy, well able to handle myself, and the group of lads I head out with are pretty much the same. Scumbags know well that any provocation will most likely land them a night in A&E. From my own experience, its really only the drunk or coked ones who really try to have a go...

Ross_Mahon

lordsippa wrote: »

Hilariously I've never gotten in a fight. Ever. Never had anyone try to beat me up. Ever. And I'm a lil bit of a strange lookin fella (I look a lot like my avatar). I think the trick is to just be nice to people. I mean yeah sure someone comes up to you lookin for a fight or just to stab someone or whatever insane 1 in 90,000 chance (invented statistics) well... you're probably screwed.

But the point is... you go out with an attitude problem and you'll get one back. You go around acting scared and patronising around people and they're gonna get aggressive back. I mean the whole term "scumbags" - yeah I've used it more times than I should've but these are regular people we're talking about. I'm sure Ross_Mahon gets dirty looks and people thinkin he's one of "all those scumbags around here" but he's probably not out looking to pick a fight or mug you.

Yeah, be careful and all. But don't go around judging everyone - unless you want the $hit kicked out of you?

I only use the hoody at night! They are very comfortable and great for keeping your hands warm in the front pockets.

Hoodys definitely have a scare factor on people, they are used to conceal identities when robbing and causing trouble, They ban them in lots of super markets in the UK, Its a really serious issue over there.

fredzer

Darragh29 wrote: »

After my own experience, I wouldn't get involved in any situation again, either as an honest broker or to break up a fight.

That’s a pity Darragh, I think if more people intervened and made a stand on things like this it would be a better place. I know there are times when you have to draw the line on helping a stranger but I think if you feel you can help you should.

Some one made a point earlier about feeling safe in Amsterdam, completely agree with this, never saw so many cops in my life and unlike our own police were friendly and helpful. We could do with more cops on the streets here. Cops that actually give a sh*t.

no judges discretion in the matter whatsoever, if you assault someone and your foot comes into contact with that persons head and it's caught on CCTV and beyond dispute, 6 months in the joy, good look to ya.

There was to be no judges discretion in the ten year mandatory sentence for drug possession over ten grand, see how well that did? Judges don't like being told what to do, too arrogant. This country needs a good shake up!