Any pub showing the debate tonight

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

she ****ing winked

BlitzKrieg

WE ARE A TEAM OF MAVERICKS!

*SMILE*

juvenal

ARRRRGGGHHHHH - some of her opening sentences are cringeworthy, especially when she uses phrases that Biden has already used "Heaven forbid that would happen" etc.

I personally have a lot of time for McCain, but I think that the selection of Palin as VP was a huge gamble designed solely to appeal to disenfranchised Clinton supporters. To the savvy voter, it will surely backfire. Although unfortunately there's still a chance it could work.

Tom65

juvenal wrote: »

She's definitely pursuing a strategy of personality to influence the voter, smiling and so forth. Biden comes across as far more statesmanlike, and I think Palin's team decided beforehand that given his long experience in the Senate they'd struggle to beat him in a straight point-making debate, so they're mixing it up a bit.

Experienced voters won't be fooled by the personalities or body-language, and will be able to separate the wheat from the chaff, but as we've seen before, sometimes it's not this demographic that decide with outcome.

Exactly. I think Biden comes across as clearly knowing the points better, but Palin is relying on being middle class and 'average'.


I think Biden's tactics are right - attacking McCain, and his links to Bush, Palin's statistics, and coming across as statesmen-like as opposed to her 'average' thing. But he hasn't really finished her off.


Did she...really...just say that "gosh darnit"? Really?

MementoMori

Biden - not great on what he'd do as Pres
Palin - waffle nonsense awful - "the cute bunny wabbit strategy"
Biden - came back stronger on rebuttal and nailing McCain to Bush - very strong on the last eight years of the administration
Palin - I want to puke on her rebuttal - yeah education is good - utter sh.i.te

BlitzKrieg

has she answered whats different between bush and McCain yet?

Rowley Birkin QC

:eek::eek:

VP Colleen from Home & Away anyone?

Overheal

"lol of course we know what a VP does"

...................well?

amacachi

Did anyone notice the smirk she gave after saying "John McCain already tapped me":P

Tom65

From BBC:
"Marc Ambinder, The Atlantic: Palin gets the name of the commander general in Afghanistan wrong: he's McKiernan, not McClellan. She does not know who he is, clearly"


This confused me. I thought she might've been referring to Scott McClellan, former White House press secretary. I hope this is picked up on.

Overheal

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

has she answered whats different between bush and McCain yet?

nope shes let biden run off with a lot of snipes tonight, including mccains vote for wall street deregulation and stating that mccains middle east policy is the same as bush's - neither points were countered by palin in any way.

juvenal

Slagging off the moderator!! She's definitely appealing as the average Jane Doe, "I'm just like you and I can make a difference in your lives"

Biden is a smooth c*nt - this is the first real look I've had at him and I kinda like him!

MementoMori

Overheal wrote: »

"lol of course we know what a VP does"

...................well?

yeah completely went away from the point - playing the image card

Biden looks like he actually has seriously considered what he would do as VP whereas Palin looks she has been given a list of play-things she could look after, but nothing really serious in terms of running the country

K-9

juvenal wrote: »

ARRRRGGGHHHHH - some of her opening sentences are cringeworthy, especially when she uses phrases that Biden has already used "Heaven forbid that would happen" etc.

I personally have a lot of time for McCain, but I think that the selection of Palin as VP was a huge gamble designed solely to appeal to disenfranchised Clinton supporters. To the savvy voter, it will surely backfire. Although unfortunately there's still a chance it could work.

I think she went back from 75 to 47% ob REPUBLICANS who trusted her to lead the country.

I'd say say she got some back. How much is the question!

OH Nice one one Cheney!

Manic Moran

VP Colleen from Home & Away anyone?

I hate you. I had successfully forgotten that movie.

NTM

juvenal

That's a very strong criticism of Cheney - not mixing his words.

Overheal

biden just took the easy money re: VP role.

cooker3

amacachi wrote: »

Did anyone notice the smirk she gave after saying "John McCain already tapped me":P

He is still an old dog even at 72, respect!

amacachi

juvenal wrote: »

That's a very strong criticism of Cheney - not mixing his words.

He's pretty dangerous on a hunting trip anyway.

K-9

OH The kitchen table was brought up.

Next it will be the kitchen sink!

Overheal

cooker3 wrote: »

He is still an old dog even at 72, respect!

"I did not have sexual relations with that Dudette."

Tom65

juvenal wrote: »

That's a very strong criticism of Cheney - not mixing his words.

Cheney's approval rating is lower than Bush's, isn't it? He's right to blast him.


If Palin talks about how she's middle class, whilst mentioning her husband's name, I'll scream.

"City on a middle" wasn't coined by Reagan. I think it's a biblical reference, that's been used regarding the US for a hundred years or so.

Overheal

oh god he teared up there for a second.

BlitzKrieg

*groan*

Overheal

**** THE MAVERICK REFERENCES ALREADY. Ima smack her.

edit: and again! Gyah!!!! :mad:

MementoMori

Tom65 wrote: »

From BBC:
"Marc Ambinder, The Atlantic: Palin gets the name of the commander general in Afghanistan wrong: he's McKiernan, not McClellan. She does not know who he is, clearly"


This confused me. I thought she might've been referring to Scott McClellan, former White House press secretary. I hope this is picked up on.

Wonder if Biden knew this but refrained from mentioning it

Biden killing Cheney as VP.

Yupe experience as a mom is just what you need to be VP - FFS

The wrapping herself in the flag is a bit of a joke.

Nice one by Biden placing his and Barack's record against McCain and whoever, to highlight Palin's experience

Biden doing a nice job on combatting Mom Palin and what she has to offer.

juvenal

Once again she's using the same phrases when opening her responses - it's unfortunate that it clearly takes her 10-15 seconds to get into her stride, as once she gets going she's not that bad, but still a distant second to her opponent.

It's a simple choice of vocabulary - and it makes quite a big difference.

On the other hand he's very diverse in his vocabulary, although he struggled there speaking about raising a family. Did he stumble, or was he a wee bit chokey? I wasn't watching, just heard the pause and he'd gotten back on track by the time I changed screens.

amacachi

Biden choking there, wish he wasn't so likeable so I could say something about him being a bigger girl than Palin.

K-9

OH EXCELLENT rebuttal of any sexism.

I Raised my sons!

Overheal

ROFL

"And he is the man that we need to leave ---- to lead..."

Overheal

oh thank god he spoke out against the maverick bs. Go Iceman Go!

rollie

Maverick assination....nice move


shes still hot though

BlitzKrieg

BIDAN GOES FOR THE SMACKDOWN ON THE WHOLE MAVERICK BOLLOX!

amacachi

Mom's MRI, Mary back to school. Well played Joe.

juvenal

Nice comeback by Biden there on the maverick issue, clear candid points.

Crash

Finally challenged the maverick tag. atta boy.

Other thing I like is that he isnt spending his time big-upping Obama, he's properly debating the points.

MementoMori

OUCH Biden bringing out the big guns on "Maverick" John McCain - maverick but not on things that matter. - Went all guns blazing on that. Solid hit.

K-9

Where is this kitchen table they all talk of?

Overheal

"Judge Bork"

*giggle*

juvenal

Overheal wrote: »

oh thank god he spoke out against the maverick bs. Go Iceman Go!

LOL - anyone for beach volleyball!?

rollie wrote: »

Maverick assination....nice move

shes still hot though

In a classically soccer mom way. . . beach volleyball with Sarah Palin anyone

Tom65

Seanies32 wrote: »

Where is this kitchen table they all talk of?

Must be a Washington thing.



Ma and Pa had to dog gone sell the kitchen table to pay for lil' Jimmy's peg leg.

Crash

This is a significantly better debate than the President one :P

Overheal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT59FXkS93Q

juvenal

Going Forward wrote: »

Finally challenged the maverick tag. atta boy.

Other thing I like is that he isnt spending his time big-upping Obama, he's properly debating the points.

Key tactic, comes across as extremely strong and capable, and doesn't get involved in the handbags

MementoMori wrote: »

OUCH Biden bringing out the big guns on "Maverick" John McCain - maverick but not on things that matter. - Went all guns blazing on that. Solid hit.

Great comeback after the stumble/chokey moment, whatever it was?

Overheal

he was thinking of his sons i think. got him emotional. will probably play in his favor actually

MementoMori

Chokey moment - From BBC

2121 Now Biden's feeling Main Street's pain, recounting his hard-scrabble upbringing in Pennsylvania, and his hard-luck life story (his wife and infant daughter died in a car accident shortly after he was first elected to the Senate in 1972). Did Biden just choke back tears?!

rollie

alright who won???

*cough* BIDEN *cough*excuse me.....

BlitzKrieg

and Palin tries to explain away her earlier mis-steps during the week.

juvenal

Overheal wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT59FXkS93Q

Fúck the debate, and the election. This should be decided with a volleyball match

Obama & Biden v McCain & Palin (no speedos please )

Overheal

I guess michael moore woke up DC with F 9/11: John, Joe and Sarah all have sons in Iraq? Hmm. Good sport on Biden to bring up John's son.