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Fans sue hotel over GAA final.
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Basically, you turning your back on a huge, and important, organisation because of the actions of a few morons. Thats retarded and deeply irrational which ever way you wish to look at it. Its no different, if more pedantic, then myself hating all English people because I'm at odds with Maggie Thatcher. Its the same fallacious line of thinking. Punish the many because of the actions of the few.
Firstly, it's an important organization to you, not to me. I would always pick soccer, but before this, I was agnostic to well-disposed to the GAA. I detect that your issue is with an Irish person rejecting the GAA. This kind of feeling makes me even more disposed to having nothing to do with it.
TD and DCB were not a few isolated morons. They were following a policy of opposing foreign sports in their catchment areas. They also had broad support. A support that only started to wither when the sh?t hit the fan, and O' Donoghue came out batting for Rovers.
I could overlook this policy before, but this time they spent nearly half a million quid trying to put another club out of business. And they stymied the opening of a badly-needed municipal facility in a deprived area because they wanted a inter-county ground on their turf.
More power to them for the good things they do. But, I won't be told that I have to support the organization on patriotic grounds.
I have every right to decide not to contribute any money to the Dublin G.A.A if I don't want to. Just like I have every right to support a foreign sport like 'Sacair', and most importantly, I have the right to call fool on twats with a persecution complex (like the Hilton 2) who think that sport is some kind of extension of their nationality.
And quit calling my motivations retarded. I'm providing reasons for what is my own choice. If you want to call me a retard, come out and say it.
The GAA can do without supporteres like you I think,:cool:
We agree on this, at least, Dodgyme.
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I will make sure to support the GAA forever. The corpse of Shamrock rovers should be dug up, then it should be urinated on and then a stake should be put through its heart.They have a tenuous connection with the Dublin G.A.A, you know.
TD, with full support all the way up the ranks of Dublin G.A.A tried to put another sports club (with over a hundred years of history) out of business so ,I quote, that the youth of Tallaght (would not be) restricted to a diet of Association football. And squandered well over 400k in doing so. A 400k+ that I seriously doubt TD will be stumping up themselves.
So I won't be putting any money (or support) their way ever again, unless my boy wants to go to a game or play in the future.
(Not a Rovers fan)0 -
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Rent.
Still, if some of the begrudgers had their way, we'd have no world class stadium.
Btw, they should have charged more rent.
It's ridiculous that the IRFU and the FAI made more money from Croker than they did from a match in Lansdowne. Profiting from their own ineptitude.Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.
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Maths not your strong point? How is it ridiculous when there are almost twice as many people at the games?
Actually, I'm not too bad on Maths! The fact that the stadium is twice the size has zilch, nada to do with the IRFU or FAI. The GAA should have said basically we'll take 1/2 the gate in rent, Thank you very much!
You get your normal profit that you get from Lansdowne, now away ye beggars!
Stekelly wrote:Also how are they profiting from their own ineptitude? What should they do? knock up a prefab stadium down the country somewhere to hold 40,000 people while they build a new stadium?
They should have had a stadium built 10 years ago when building costs where lower and corporate boxes/10 yr tickets etc. easier to sell.
Oh that reminds me, whatever did happen to Eircom Park and wasn't there a little scandal there too?stekelly wrote:Where would the GAA fit 80,000 for the all Ireland final if they had to knock Croke park to build a new stadium? Would they be inept because they don't have 2 croke parks in case one is off line?
What are you on about man?
Croke Park is slightly different from the joke that Lansdowne was. One of the achievements of Croker was that it was built with little disruption to the games, similar to Old Trafford.
Croke Park will always be big enough to have phased redevelopment. So your 2 stadium argument will never apply to the GAA!Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.
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They wanted a shared municipal facility, pretty similar arguments where used to open up Croker!
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I'm not sure you followed the case closely enough. It is a shared municipal facility. It can accommodate junior grade GAA if required. TD/DCB ostensibly wanted it to accommodate senior grades (which wouldn't have fitted into the available land without drastically reducing capacity), but spun out the case as long as possible hoping Rovers would implode in the interim.
At the end of the day, Rovers had sunk a fair bit of cash into the stadium before the SDCC took over, and the argument that grounds with huge amounts of public funding should be opened up to all sports, well...that would have opened cans of worms all over the country.
By the way, I've no doubt the rank and file GAA wanted to open up Croker. Fair play. They own the place and they made a packet out of it, as well as gaining excellent publicity.0 -
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I'm not sure you followed the case closely enough. It is a shared municipal facility. It can accommodate junior grade GAA if required. TD/DCB ostensibly wanted it to accommodate senior grades (which wouldn't have fitted into the available land without drastically reducing capacity), but spun out the case as long as possible hoping Rovers would implode in the interim.
I tried to keep up to date on it. GAA is a big sport in Tallaght so they had a right to get senior matches included. I'm not saying they where right and I'm not arguing you are right, I'm saying they had the right to take the case, which one judge did agree with them.stovelid wrote:At the end of the day, Rovers had sunk a fair bit of cash into the stadium before the SDCC took over, and the argument that grounds with huge amounts of public funding should be opened up to all sports, well...that would have opened cans of worms all over the country.
Nah, public funding is different, municipal run was the point. You mightn't agree but they had a point. Unfortunately some of the Govt. grant money was alleged to have been used to fund the team and not the stadium, hence the big creditors for the stadium.
Govt. Money that was for building costs was diverted to the running of the team. Not sure if you are familiar with Govt. grants but generally in cases like this you submit vouched invoices to get the grant. Some of that money never went to the suppliers, hence the creditors!stovelid wrote:By the way, I've no doubt the rank and file GAA wanted to open up Croker. Fair play. They own the place and they made a packet out of it, as well as gaining excellent publicity.
Unfortunately so did the FAI and IRFU which is my point.
Anyway by the looks of the economy, Lansdowne could prove a very costly investment.
They really should have done something years ago.Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.
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Unfortunately some of the Govt. grant money was alleged to have been used to fund the team and not the stadium, hence the big creditors for the stadium. Govt. Money that was for building costs was diverted to the running of the team. Not sure if you are familiar with Govt. grants but generally in cases like this you submit vouched invoices to get the grant. Some of that money never went to the suppliers, hence the creditors!
Not having a go, but this is the first I've heard of this. It's an allegation about a previous board, and purely conjectural. In fairness, everything I've said about TD is based on their own public utterances and the court case.
Unfortunately so did the FAI and IRFU which is my point. Anyway by the looks of the economy, Lansdowne could prove a very costly investment. They really should have done something years ago.
Croker would have been empty for those games. The GAA were still rewarded handsomely. As for the F.A.I, most Irish soccer fans wouldn't defend the clowns anyway. 0 -
Not having a go, but this is the first I've heard of this. It's an allegation about a previous board, and purely conjectural. In fairness, everything I've said about TD is based on their own public utterances and the court case.
Indeed, that's why I said allegedly. I think the Tribune did a piece on it around the time. When you think about it, it makes sense! If the money was spent correctly, there shouldn't have been any stadium creditors!stovelid wrote:Croker would have been empty for those games. The GAA were still rewarded handsomely. As for the F.A.I, most Irish soccer fans wouldn't defend the clowns anyway.
Indeed, as most GAA fans wouldn't defend the GAA Clowns, such as the Dublin County Board, but can differentiate with the county team and go to support them. Still it's amazing that those muppets made a fortune from Croker!
Anyway, way off topic now!Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.
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Ah, the Tribune. That staunch and unflinching friend of the League of Ireland.
Well going on the way the club was run, it doesn't inspire confidence either!
Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.
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