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Woddle

Maybe its an idea for a list of names, then call Charlie and then anyone doing the 4 mile just register on the day, what you think

shels4ever

Ok just read through this whole thing now .. Its a great idea well done woddle.. Have to say the idea does appeal to me a lot now, for one who has never had a team in any event, at schools leve I never had a team for the Xc and had to make it the hard way to the nationals..

Would love the setup of the BHAA, but at the moment i'm trying to get our company set up , But finding it hard to get people out. If in the next few months I don't get the numbers I would defo join the boards..

I've also gone back to my old club which is miles away but not sure what to do now.... what to do now.....

shels4ever

Woddle wrote: »

Maybe its an idea for a list of names, then call Charlie and then anyone doing the 4 mile just register on the day, what you think

Charilie is very helpfull spoke to him a few times, for first time runners you will need to do one race to get a grade but thats neither here nor there. Have you spoke to rdunne also as he's involved with them too.

Woddle

Hi Shels I sent him a pm but have not heard from him yet, you would be more than welcome to run the x country race for Boards.

racso1975

count me in please

Burial

Can we all aim to go do a triatholon/marathon now anyway? I don't think we need a club to do that. I'd love if someone could post up training scheduele for a complete noob like me, who wishes to do half a triatholon. [1km/18km/5km] I've trained before for one, but my diet was just horrible....

Woddle

Just a little bit of direction to help us get going.
Both Peckham and Marie C have offered there services to help get this going so anyone interested in a more hands on roll, feel free to put your name forward. I reckon our first task is to see who will be running the 4 mile x country for the men and 2 miles for the ladies on the 18th of October at castleknock college, so I can get names and pass them on to Charlie of Bhaa.
So far
Woddle
Robinph?
Seres?
Shels4ever?

Secondly put forward nominees for positions so we can get people voted in. Now I have always been an impatient person and have always been a I want it now kind of person so do feel free to say hold on a minute. But I reckon we have enough boardies on board to get the ball rolling and more are always welcome.
And finally regarding coaching only hunnymonster has put her name forward, is anybody else interested in this, these rolls are as important as club secretary as these will be the people with the knowledge to map out are sesions.
Opinions needed, lets get going.

Burial

Maybe start a poll for the different candidates?

uglyjohn

--amadeus-- wrote: »

As with all of these things - real or virtual - there will be a hard core of 3 - 6 people who end up doing the donkey work. Based on the positivity so far I can't see there being an issue or a problem with getting those people on board (boom tish!) but I would suggest a relativley short term of office (6 months?) so that we don't fall into the trap of one or two people doing all of he work.

Controversially I would also like to suggest that we have a 2 term limit on positions. So if Woodle is chairman this time and is voted in next time he cannot stand for any position in the 3rd round of elections. After that the slate is clean and he can stand for any role. Why? Simple - these things have a habit of developing into clique's, by always freshining up management we can ensure that everyone can have a crack at the admin and no-one feels excluded. The only exception would be coaching, where obviously you need certain standards / qualifications........



........Final point - a lot of people have mentioned speed and qualifying and stuff. The point of a club is obviously to race, but I would certainly want any BAC (Boards Athletics Club) to maintain the inclusive atitude that the threads here have - all comers welcome no matter how fast or slow!

spot on. i would hat to think that people like me what cant run four miles in a minute would feel excluded. everyone has to start somewhere and the harsh truth is no matter how much you train evetyone has their limits.

what i really like about this is that we are all starting at the same place and kinda half know each other (sorta) ;that, along with term limits on offices, should help stop clique's forming and scaring of new people.

shels4ever

Woddle wrote: »

Just a little bit of direction to help us get going.
Both Peckham and Marie C have offered there services to help get this going so anyone interested in a more hands on roll, feel free to put your name forward. I reckon our first task is to see who will be running the 4 mile x country for the men and 2 miles for the ladies on the 18th of October at castleknock college, so I can get names and pass them on to Charlie of Bhaa.
So far
Woddle
Robinph?
Seres?
Shels4ever?

Secondly put forward nominees for positions so we can get people voted in. Now I have always been an impatient person and have always been a I want it now kind of person so do feel free to say hold on a minute. But I reckon we have enough boardies on board to get the ball rolling and more are always welcome.
And finally regarding coaching only hunnymonster has put her name forward, is anybody else interested in this, these rolls are as important as club secretary as these will be the people with the knowledge to map out are sesions.
Opinions needed, lets get going.

I'll be defo doing the XC but i'm registerd with my company, I am the only one at the moment so not sure if i'll have a team.. Will let you know over the next few days.. Maybe we can all meet up after the race for a chat about all this?

Woddle

So far then for Boards AC
MarieC
Biffo2008
Peckham
Woddle
Dave K
Uglyjohn
Krusty Clown
Theroadrunner
Seres
Donothoponpop
Belcara
Roddy23
Robinph
Ike
Burial
Mcos
Babybing
Gerard65
Rainbow Kirby
MP1972
Earlyevening
SharkTale
Nortal
Rasco1975
Sir?
Gerire?

And for x country 18th of October
Woddle
Robinph
Seres?
Shels4ever?
Roddy23?

Seres

have donadea this weekend so dont know if i will be able to travel to dub again next weekend , will get back to you monday , dont have any spikes either , are they essential ? also havent x country run in years !

--amadeus--

Count me in as well, btw!

I prolly won't do the x-country, haven't done that since school and it's a bit close to Dublin.

In terms of helping out I would offer but I am doing 10+ hr days with work and will be until Xmas so it just isn't going to happen from an admin side. Coaching I would be interested in but I don't have any badges, certs, etc (one of my many ambitions). I'll gladly help out devising schedules & sessions and giving an uneducated opinion to any qualified coaches though. If we don't have any coaches on here then I am sure that the experienced runners among us could muddle through until we do get badged up.

Before we get to nominees for positions do we need to agree the positions?

My suggestions:

Chairperson
Treasurer
Board Member

These three take care of the admin side of things, membership, race entry, affiliation and teh money. Also look after things like sponsorship, kit and the like. 6 month terms, 2 term limit.

Captain

Not sure we need a seperate Ladies and Gents Captain yet? One Captain who looks after team affairs, selection, welcomes new members, works with coaches on training plans, identifies upcoming races. Basically looks after the sport side. Can be invited to board meetings, can be invited to vote in board affairs but at board discretion. 6 month term, 2 term limit.

All term limits are on consecutive terms - basically you have to take a term off after holding a position for 2 terms, then you can stand again. I would suggest that the limit carries across all roles (eg 2*Captain can't then be vted onto the board) again to try and prevent litle cliques dominating events.

1 * Lead coach
x * Coaches

Regular Coaches are non term limited, Lead coach is 6 month appointment but can hold consecutivly for as long as they wish. I would suggest that only coaches vote for lead coach. Responsible for devising training sessions and plans

Ok, meeting starting any second now - if you think this makes sense let me know, apologies Woodle for taking over a bit!!

Woddle

So far then for Boards AC
MarieC
Biffo2008
Peckham
Woddle
Dave K
Uglyjohn
Krusty Clown
Theroadrunner
Seres
Donothoponpop
Belcara
Roddy23
Robinph
Ike
Burial
Mcos
Babybing
Gerard65
Rainbow Kirby
MP1972
Earlyevening
SharkTale
Nortal
Rasco1975
Amadeus
Stmochtas
Sir?
Gerire?
No apologies needed. I agree completely with what is proposed.This is what we need a mixture of opinions. I think 6 or 7 positions to be filled is a good number.
Chairperson
Treasurer
Club Secretary
Board member
Captain
Lead Coach
Coach
Boardies who have expressed an interest in a hands on roll
Seres
Peckham
Marie C
Woddle
Coaches
Hunnymonster
Amadeus
So anyone else interested?

Burial

I think this is getting quite the amount of interest. Should there be a sub-forum for us?

stmochtas

I think this is a great idea and I would like to sign-up.

FYI am also Dublin-based however I do spend some time in the north-west in case we see some interesting events up that direction.

uglyjohn

Burial wrote: »

I think this is getting quite the amount of interest. Should there be a sub-forum for us?

nah, keep it here where more people see it and it makes the whole forum more vibrant.

a sub forum is the firs step to a clique.

thirtyfoot

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Chairperson
Treasurer
Board member
Captain
Lead Coach
Coach
[/QUOTE]

Club Sec is a crucial member, maybe most important and will probably be the busiest person. Don't forget them. Chairman in an athletic club will be the one with the vision and the one who keeps the peace. Treasurer will sign the cheques that the Club Sec needs signing. In my opinion Club Sec, Captain and Coach will be the key members.

[QUOTE=Woddle;57518796
Coaches
Hunnymonster
Amadeus
So anyone else interested?[/QUOTE]

I am too busy with my own training and coaching and am already in a club so can't commit to coaching but if you ever need anything bounced off somebody I'll be more than up for it. Choosing a county that the club is registered in will be the first big decision I believe, obviously after the colour of design of club singlets:D

Any news from AAI?

Woddle

No news from them yet, I left a message with Pat Ryan yesterday and have called him twice today with no answer, he is the Regional Development officer for the midlands so if I don't get him today I'll try someone else.

TheRoadRunner

Great stuff.

I will have to have special membership mentioned previously for members registered with an AAI club. Therefore I will only be able to run the BHAA races for Boards AC.

Just a thought, before joining the AAI maybe there should be a poll of Boards AC members to see how many AAI races they are actually going to compete in. I race regularly but not so much in AAI races to be honest. Maybe for the first year the BHAA route should be followed and then the AAI at a later date. At least with the BHAA you register for a team and there is no administration and maybe 1 meeting per year ! Just thinking out loud

I'm not going to make the next BHAA XC as I' recovering from an injury but I will definitely turn out for the next BHAA race and register from my existing work team (that has about 10 members but only 1 regularly turns up :mad:) to the new Boards team.

Woddle

You make a good point theroadrunner but I would be more leaning towards joining the AAI aswell but it can be decided amongst ourselves, I have no idea how to do a poll, but if someone does this could be our first vote
BHaa or
Bhaa and AAI

Woddle

And for x country 18th of October
Woddle
Robinph
Gerard65
Seres?
Shels4ever?
Roddy23?

Burial

What are the prices to join all of the different organisations??

robinph

Haven't really a clue about the merits of either BHAA or AAI, but in just a simplicity of getting things running initially and hopefully generating a bit of momentum of interest the BHAA just to start off with sounds easier. Then once it's been proved that it works in the more informal BHAA style get a bit more offical with the AAI route, just don't over complicate things to start off with.

shels4ever

robinph wrote: »

Haven't really a clue about the merits of either BHAA or AAI, but in just a simplicity of getting things running initially and hopefully generating a bit of momentum of interest the BHAA just to start off with sounds easier. Then once it's been proved that it works in the more informal BHAA style get a bit more offical with the AAI route, just don't over complicate things to start off with.

Good plan there, the Bhaa is very well run and the races can be very good, have a good mix of cross country, road and track so races for everyone and all standards..

jlang

Not sure about all this committees and organisation, but I'm in favour of the general principle - if only to have a "team" to put in the box for BHAA races and possibly some meet-and-run sessions over the winter.

FWIW, I like that marathon and triathlon share a board here and feel it makes more sense to group them together as endurance sports than have distance running with track and field in Athletics.

Woddle

So far then for Boards AC
MarieC
Biffo2008
Peckham
Woddle
Dave K
Uglyjohn
Krusty Clown
Theroadrunner
Seres
Donothoponpop
Belcara
Roddy23
Robinph
Ike
Burial
Mcos
Babybing
Gerard65
Rainbow Kirby
MP1972
Earlyevening
SharkTale
Nortal
Rasco1975
Amadeus
Stmochtas
Shels4ever
Jlang
Sir?
Gerire?
Potential Roles
Chairperson
Treasurer
Club Secretary
Board member
Captain
Lead Coach
Coach
Boardies who have expressed an interest in a hands on roll
Seres
Peckham
Marie C
Woddle
Shels4ever
Coaches
Hunnymonster
Amadeus
So anyone else interested?

racso1975

well i for one willing to step up to the mark here and be the offical cheerleader of boards AC

Now in fairness i've fairly hairy legs but i've currently got great moobs (working on these though) and obviously i'm a man so a skirt is outta the question though it has been known to happen.........

anywhoooo maybe boards ac mascot might be a better idea......

Woddle

Tingle wrote: »

I am too busy with my own training and coaching and am already in a club so can't commit to coaching but if you ever need anything bounced off somebody I'll be more than up for it.
Any news from AAI?

Cheers Tingle every bit counts

cfitz

racso1975 wrote: »

well i for one willing to step up to the mark here and be the offical cheerleader of boards AC

Now in fairness i've fairly hairy legs but i've currently got great moobs (working on these though) and obviously i'm a man so a skirt is outta the question though it has been known to happen.........

You'll need to post a video here of you in action to make sure you're up the task

Seres

cfitz wrote: »

You'll need to post a video here of you in action to make sure you're up the task

it might however need to be censored, might not be allowed my the boards rules , what do you think rasco:D ?

racso1975

well it defo would be a not safe for work video......or prob for your eyes in general!!!!

hunnymonster

This is all starting to sound a bit hashers!

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hash_House_Harriers) for those who've not heard of the hash house harriers.

cfitz

racso1975 wrote: »

well it defo would be a not safe for work video......or prob for your eyes in general!!!!

You're not selling yourself very well. There's a host of healthy young men who read this forum and will be eager to take your spot...

thirtyfoot

hunnymonster wrote: »

This is all starting to sound a bit hashers!

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hash_House_Harriers) for those who've not heard of the hash house harriers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alf_tupper
http://www.toughofthetrack.net/index2.htm

Alf Tupper could be the Honorary Life President of Boards AC. In many ways I base my athletics on Alf, he would be a good role model for all Boards AC members.

shels4ever

TheRoadRunner wrote: »

Great stuff.

I will have to have special membership mentioned previously for members registered with an AAI club. Therefore I will only be able to run the BHAA races for Boards AC.
Just a thought, before joining the AAI maybe there should be a poll of Boards AC members to see how many AAI races they are actually going to compete in. I race regularly but not so much in AAI races to be honest. Maybe for the first year the BHAA route should be followed and then the AAI at a later date. At least with the BHAA you register for a team and there is no administration and maybe 1 meeting per year ! Just thinking out loud

I'm not going to make the next BHAA XC as I' recovering from an injury but I will definitely turn out for the next BHAA race and register from my existing work team (that has about 10 members but only 1 regularly turns up :mad:) to the new Boards team.

Very good point there, I had jsut rejoined my old club for the rest of the year and would prob join again next year, If the option to do both was there this would be great, although i dont think i'll be doing many AAI races.

uglyjohn

hunnymonster wrote: »

This is all starting to sound a bit hashers!

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hash_House_Harriers) for those who've not heard of the hash house harriers.

Oh.....My....God.....:eek: that sounds brilliant.i didnt read the full thing but it looks fantastic.


.....a little bit....*ahem british...if you get what i mean.....not nescessarily english....more imperial, linnen suits, old boys/chaps and cucumber sandwiches if you get what i mean....

superjosh9

*Focus guys!!!* Many good ideas have failed!!

gaf1983

Great idea Woddle, fair play to you Peckham for thinking it up at the same time too, I'd definitely like to be involved, as long as I don't have to ever watch that cheerleading video...

uglyjohn wrote: »

Oh.....My....God.....:eek: that sounds brilliant.i didnt read the full thing but it looks fantastic.


.....a little bit....*ahem british...if you get what i mean.....not nescessarily english....more imperial, linnen suits, old boys/chaps and cucumber sandwiches if you get what i mean....

There was one of those Hash Harriers clubs in Doha in Qatar when I lived there, it did sound like great craic, but I see where you're coming from.

shels4ever

Well these lads have set up an AAI club now,

Bumped into them in pheonix park one morning and asked what club they were, ended up runing a mile or 2 until they told me it was a gay club..

http://www.frontrunners.org/clubs/dublin/index.html

Orobhsa

Mark me down as well.

I'm hoping to do the BHAA race next week.

Just got a pair of trail shoes last night so hoping to get to the park this afternoon.

--amadeus--

In the interests of moving this forward can I make a suggestion?

We seem in general agreement on the management structure, terms, etc. Would it be an idea to "propose" this in a poll? Something like "We propose to establish BAC with the following positions, following term limits, etc" then just have a Yes / No option in the poll (if we give options then it'll get confusing). In the replies to the poll those who want to stand for election can nominate themselves, or can be nominated by others. If you are nominated by someone else you don't have to stand!

We can put a time limit on the poll and once nominations have been gathered we can create seperate polls for each elected position.

Sound like a plan?

Woddle

So far then for Boards AC
MarieC
Biffo2008
Peckham
Woddle
Dave K
Uglyjohn
Krusty Clown
Theroadrunner
Seres
Donothoponpop
Belcara
Roddy23
Robinph
Ike
Burial
Mcos
Babybing
Gerard65
Rainbow Kirby
MP1972
Earlyevening
SharkTale
Nortal
Rasco1975
Amadeus
Stmochtas
Shels4ever
Jlang
Gaf1983
Orobhsa
ChristeB
Sainttoff
Sir?
Gerire?
Sounds like a great idea Amadeus, I say go ahead and do it, I have no idea how to do the polls thing so go for it. I agree we have enough interest now to take the next step. Which is fantastic, considering this only started on Wednesday

Peckham

Have been offline for the past 36 hours or so, but have just caught up with all this. Sounds like things are moving along at pace.

Agree with most of the suggestions so far, but I think we need to get a committee in place to make some suggestions that can be put out to vote by the "members". Otherwise it runs the risk of becoming a talking shop that is going off topic.

It would also be good if the committee could convene a meeting in some format. Face-to-face would be good, but teleconference would suffice if geographics prohibit this.

Is there a way to set this up without involving finances? i.e. if we go the BHAA route (which seems the most sensible approach for the first year while we work out logistics), then everyone can just sort out their own membership fees and entry fees? Otherwise we open a whole can of worms with bank accounts, trustees (as well as giving money to people you only know over the Internet from the screen name!) etc.

I have absolutely no experience in the admin side of an athletics club, and was only a member of one for a year. However, will take whatever role is entrusted to me. Agree with the suggestion of capping the maximum term time on the committee.

Would like to nominate Woddle as Chairperson - seems appropriate.

I'm happy to start working on a club constitution, which I'm sure is going to raise more questions than answers, but I feel it's important that we get things down in writing so that everyone knows how things work. We can put this out to a vote amongst "members" (which we also need to define).

Woddle

Just a little question, picture the 5 mile in Raheny in Jan?, if we don't go down the AAI route straight away are we allowed to put Boards AC when signing up for said race so that we can compete against other clubs?

thirtyfoot

Woddle wrote: »

Just a little question, picture the 5 mile in Raheny in Jan?, if we don't go down the AAI route straight away are we allowed to put Boards AC when signing up for said race so that we can compete against other clubs?

Speaking of Raheny, DaveH could be a good guy to talk to regarding this and the practicalities of setting up and running a club.

Regarding that race, I'd think you may have to be a registered club to be included in the team race but DaveH may be better able to answer. The same would apply for the other road races organised by clubs I'd imagine. You could still run as individuals though.

Racing Flat

I would imagine the team race is only for AAI affiliated clubs, but I'm not certain. This is probably in place to prevent 'ringers' - 3 top runners from different clubs who don't have a team on the day just swooping the top prize at every race. Could get lucrative.

That's one area where I thought BHAA might have an issue. Say I work for Eircom and Eircom have a team, but I think I've a better chance of winning a prize with Boards, or just think it'll be more enjoyable with Boards, so I change teams - any repercussions??? It's also an area where I imagine some AAI members or clubs may have an issue.

Peckham

Racing Flat wrote: »

That's one area where I thought BHAA might have an issue. Say I work for Eircom and Eircom have a team, but I think I've a better chance of winning a prize with Boards, or just think it'll be more enjoyable with Boards, so I change teams - any repercussions??? It's also an area where I imagine some AAI members or clubs may have an issue.

It would seem that many people wanting to join Boards AC are not currently AAI or BHAA members, so it may only apply in a limited number of cases - although arguably it could be some of the faster runners. However, surely there are some instances of this already - i.e. people switching clubs/teams due to changes in work/living arrangements?

I can't imagine we're going to be poaching top guys from the stronger clubs!

Woddle

AAI said they will ring me back by end of day.
I nominate Peckham for club secretary he seems to know his stuff.

I also propose we fill the following roles by the end of next week, Anybody interested in any of the roles should put their name forward by Tuesday the 14th 6pm
Chairperson
Treasurer
Club Secretary
Captain
Lead Coach
Coach
Board Member

People who have already expressed an interest
Peckham
Woddle
Marie C
Seres
Shels4ever

People who have expressed an interest in coaching
Hunnymonster
Amadeus

If you have expressed an interest and your names not down, apologies but just express it again

shels4ever

Racing Flat wrote: »

I would imagine the team race is only for AAI affiliated clubs, but I'm not certain. This is probably in place to prevent 'ringers' - 3 top runners from different clubs who don't have a team on the day just swooping the top prize at every race. Could get lucrative.

That's one area where I thought BHAA might have an issue. Say I work for Eircom and Eircom have a team, but I think I've a better chance of winning a prize with Boards, or just think it'll be more enjoyable with Boards, so I change teams - any repercussions??? It's also an area where I imagine some AAI members or clubs may have an issue.

I would think that it maybe a case that the Boards would be a catagory in the BHAA . As the way it works at the moment I run for my compamy, and in the event that we dont have numbers in a race, then i'm moved into the IT catagory..

If you set up the boards as a catagory then people who run for their company will only score for a boards team if they do not have numbers from their company.. and remember it is also broken down into grades, so just because we may have 5,6,7 boards members running prizes are on a grade basis so there is a chance that we might only have 2 people placing in any particular grade.