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hugh heffner.... would you really??
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I'd hardly call him the personification of "Sexism". He's simply a guy living the dream. Surrounds himself with happy (mostly hot) people who just party 24/7.
Because women are replaceable machines who should be chucked on the rubbish heap as soon as a younger or hotter model comes along.
It's the fact that people think he's ''living the dream'' that worries me. It all seems rather shallow and pointless to me.0 -
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But she chucked him:eek:Because women are replaceable machines who should be chucked on the rubbish heap as soon as a younger or hotter model comes along.
OK...It's the fact that people think he's ''living the dream'' that worries me. It all seems rather shallow and pointless to me.
has lead a very long and very interesting life - check
has a great relationship with his kids who he loves very much and they love him - check
has had an extremely successful career, building a media empire from scratch - check
has had sex with more women than he can remember - check
has had sex with some of the most beautiful women in the world (or at least are "regarded as the most beautiful women in the world") - check
has fulfilled every fantasy (including, him, a big bed and seven hot naked horny women!) - check (that deserves a double check:D)
has met some of the most famous and important people of the second half of the 20th century, counting many of them as his friends - check
turned his home into the most famous house in the world - check
still good friends with his estranged wife (not many can claim that!) - check
has crazy parties almost every day (while the highlight of most people's lives when they're that age is going to mass) - check
You call it "shallow and pointless". Most of us call it the dream life.
And that's what it is, that's why he's successful. That's what he's famous for. He actually fulfils his fantasies (while most of us wake up, open our eyes and go about the same old thing).0 -
Because women are replaceable machines who should be chucked on the rubbish heap as soon as a younger or hotter model comes along.
It's the fact that people think he's ''living the dream'' that worries me. It all seems rather shallow and pointless to me.
being happy is pointless?
your being fairly naieve imo if you dont think the girls get just as much out of it as he does
the girls choose to try out for the position no1 forces them. they are living lives that many many teenage girls would dream about and alot i imagine never grow out of dreaming it and alot of women would probably do it for free and im sure they are very very well paid for it0 -
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Really? Pot, kettle...
Generalisation No 1: Every bunny is there purely for money.
OK, you are totally missing the point if you think it's all about money. It's about the life. It's about the 24 hour party, the fun, the happiness, the glamour, the experience. It's just like any other "celebrity" job.
Generalisation No 2: "They" are socially conditioned to sell themselves and be viewed solely as a sex object.
Generalisation No 3: Most girls working in the Adult industry must have mental problems
So any girl who enjoys sex and is involved in the adult industry must have something wrong with her? You watch a documentary on 1 girl and apply it to most girls in an entire global industry? What does that say about your social conditioning?
P.S. I see the girls as far more than sex objects (see below)
Generalisation No 4: They are only valued for their breasts. (It couldn't be that he enjoys their company or anything like that)
And the bunnies, are they not valued for both (which is no doubt better?). Having seen a the show, I have to say that I would love to hang with Kendra and Bridget, and not in a sexual way. They've an incredible EQ and look to be so much fun to be around.
Are you calling some of the girls here hoors;)?
Generalisation No 5: And what a whopping generalisation it is.
Names?
Never said it was yours nor everybody's dream. I said it was HIS dream. It happens to be a dream life that many would relate to, and with slight variations, I would imagine most people (definitely most guys) would love.
Yes he has had emotional connections with many of them, is still friends with a lot of them, went out with a good few of them, and even married one of them!
After 82 years, he's still a very happy man!
What have you got against dreams/fantasies? You're 19, so maybe haven't enough life experience, but most people, upon adulthood, accept they will never fulfil their dreams. It doesn't stop them from dreaming. It doesn't stop them from achieving some of their dreams. And it certainly doesn't stop them from applauding and respecting someone who has fulfilled their dreams
1. I suspect that money is a large part of it, somehow. None of them are doing it for free, are they?
2. Most women are socially conditioned to view themselves as sex objects. They are constantly bombarded with images of what a beautiful woman is and believe that this is a good way to make money. I direct your attention here http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/161/161338_naked_ambition_rubs_off_on_teen_girls.html
63% of 15-19 year old girls in Britain would rather be glamour models than a teacher or nurse.
3. Not necessarily every woman in the industry, but a lot seem to have self-esteem issues. For example, Jodie Marsh who was badly bullied at school. I did say you couldn't tar every woman with the same brush, but you missed that bit, I see.
4. Okay, you personally don't see them as sex objects, but I imagine the vast amounts of men who buy Playboy or similar magazines aren't doing it for the stimulating intellectual debate. And if the woman's personality is so important, why don't they have Mary Harney-look-a-likes in there? The woman's bodies are prioritised as the most important thing.
5. I wouldn't dream of it.
You said in your first post a lot of women would like to live the bunny life, even for free, however the vast majority of the posters here have said they wouldn't do it even if they were drugged.:eek:
6. Because I know the name of every bunny who passed through the place. Well, what about Anna Nicole Smith? Wasn't she a Playmate of the Year? I think she was more or less forgotten about by the time of her death though.
7. As for dreams and fantasies, I have no problem with them. Clearly my dreams and fantasies would differ from yours, and indeed, Heff's. My point is it saddens me to live in a world where women's looks are more important than her mind and opinions.0 -
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If you think so. Don't get me wrong, of course the money plays a part. But I think the unique lifestyle, glamour, partying etc is also a major part.1. I suspect that money is a large part of it, somehow. None of them are doing it for free, are they?2. Most women are socially conditioned to view themselves as sex objects. They are constantly bombarded with images of what a beautiful woman is and believe that this is a good way to make money. I direct your attention here http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/161/161338_naked_ambition_rubs_off_on_teen_girls.html
63% of 15-19 year old girls in Britain would rather be glamour models than a teacher or nurse.
That survey is complete bull. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Tabloids printing off controversial results of some BS survey is not fact. Without seeing what the questions where, what the sample was etc, it is impossible to tell the quality of those results. (Take for example, the survey was supposed to be done by a website called (www.thelab.tv) - but it doesn't friggin exist! And when you try to goole it, pretty much the only results that come are regarding this particular survey.
That's not to say that there aren't teeenage girls who are impressionable. In fact from what I remember, teenage girls are always impressionable! - and being a teacher is never the ultimate dream of any 15 year old!
It's women who make these other women famous, build them up and then destroy them. This has nothing whatsoever to do with Hugh Hefner or what he stands for.3. Not necessarily every woman in the industry, but a lot seem to have self-esteem issues. For example, Jodie Marsh who was badly bullied at school. I did say you couldn't tar every woman with the same brush, but you missed that bit, I see.
In your opnion! But guess what, everybody's got issues. A lot of people were bullied at some stage, or had a fight with their parents, or got turned down by someone they love etc...
Why are you insisting in this belief that there must be something wrong with them to enjoy what they do?4. Okay, you personally don't see them as sex objects, but I imagine the vast amounts of men who buy Playboy or similar magazines aren't doing it for the stimulating intellectual debate. And if the woman's personality is so important, why don't they have Mary Harney-look-a-likes in there? The woman's bodies are prioritised as the most important thing.
Have you actually ever read a Playboy? It certainly sounds like you haven't. From my experience, it's mainly girls who end up reading Playboy! For the record, it mainly consists of politics, sport, music, movies, economy, interviews with interesting people etc. But the anti-sex brigade always seem to focus on the fact that there is a centrfold (ie 3 or 4 pages in the middle with the playmate of the month)
FHM/Loaded/Nuts etc - for intellectually retarded teenagers
Pornon mags - for those without an internet connection;)5. I wouldn't dream of it. You said in your first post a lot of women would like to live the bunny life, even for free, however the vast majority of the posters here have said they wouldn't do it even if they were drugged.:eek:
I think you are confusing me with someone else. I never said anything that would even resemble "a lot of women would like to live the bunny life, even for free"6. Because I know the name of every bunny who passed through the place. Well, what about Anna Nicole Smith? Wasn't she a Playmate of the Year? I think she was more or less forgotten about by the time of her death though.
Anne Nicole Smith was a nobody until she met Hef. After achieving her fame/fortune, she moved on from Playboy. Ended up with an even older, richer man, went through the lawsuits, did here reality tv show, became a mess, died.
Throughout her entire life, Hef was there for her, and it is widely know that they were close right up to her death.
The fact of the matter is that you are claiming that he treats women as "replaceable machines who should be chucked on the rubbish heap as soon as a younger or hotter model comes along". Yet you cannot provide one single example (and with the hundreds of women he's been with, it should be very easy to provide a dozen!)
The fact of the matter is that it is usually the other way aound. Typically, the girl in question has reached her desired level of fame etc, gettting tired of the constant partying and parts ways.
The fact that these same girls always reappear at various parties of his over the subsequent years, would only show that there were no hard feelings etc. It is quiet common to see 50-year women at the mantion you know, many of them, former playmates.girlfreinds etc who are still friends.7. As for dreams and fantasies, I have no problem with them. Clearly my dreams and fantasies would differ from yours, and indeed, Heff's. My point is it saddens me to live in a world where women's looks are more important than her mind and opinions.
But again, you seem to focus purely on their looks. I say that it is you who regards them as "sex objects", because that's all you ever seem to think they are. I (and I would hope most people) see them as merely fun, attractive, bubbly etc. An who wouldn't want these types of people in their lives?0 -
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You explained it well that sounds interesting! I already new they had an allowance that's why some of them are still going to University. Yeah you cannot be a house bunny all your life..hi..hi...
Ah sure I think it's a bit of both Heff is probably nice enough,I presume he doesn't harrass them for sex a lot and they get some fame etc... It can launch a carreer.
I have nothing against playboy or glamour models..I would myself live in a bikini if I was that well built
It's just that I am not into sex with grandads...:eek: but again some people are desperate for fame etc... In a sense it provides good entertainment....Nope not his ex wife, she was a girlfriend / playmate / bunny... whatever they're called!
She was around just before the show launched.... basically she was saying that their lives were controlled by hef - he tells them where they can go and when... Yes, they get an allowance but she claimed it wasnt a fortune in relation to what they were expected to do with it (in regards to clothes and the whole look they are supposed to pull off 24/7) and if they needed any extra money for anything it would all have to be laid out for hef with good reaons as to why they needed it.... All the celebrity gigs they go to - she said that they would all be made to leave whenever heff wanted to which was usually well before midnight, just when the partys were kicking off, then he would take his viagra just in time for when they got home... also just stuff about the mansion - all those manky rat dogs the girls have? They have the run of the place and most are not house trained, she said that it looked like most of the rooms that we see on the show have been done up specifically for the show..
I dont know how well ive explained this, it is a good read though!0 -
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