hugh heffner.... would you really??

Acacia

AARRRGH wrote: »

I think you'll find there are lots of women with low self esteem in EVERY industry. Low self esteem is kinda common, you know?

Just like people who experienced child abuse. Yep, they work in every industry.




It's as clear as day you have issues with the concept of nudity and sex. If you didn't, you wouldn't be trying so hard to convince us that women who choose to show their body to the world have emotional issues or low self esteem.




I'm sorry to break this to you, but there are bad people in EVERY industry. That's right - there are some bad people in the sex industry. Just like there are bad people in the fashion industry (your clothes were probably made using child labour) and in the food industry (do you think every animal is killed humanely?). Every industry has problems!

It really annoys me that people try to find problems in the adult industry, ignoring the fact that their arguments could be applied to any industry.

I work in the IT industry and I assure you there are just as many damaged and bad people working with software as there are working with nudity.

I repeat: just because you wouldn't take your clothes off for money doesn't mean every thinks like you or is like you. We are all different.

1. Sure, there are. But when they start taking off their clothes and modifying their bodies to look a certain way to solve their self-esteem issues, then we have a problem.Take the case of Jodie Marsh- bullied at school, body issues, she said herself that she poses in magazines like FHM and Nuts because it's a way of proving to her old class mates that she is indeed attractive.

And for the umpteenth time, I will repeat- I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT EVERY WOMAN IN THE INDUSTRY.

2. Oh, is it really clear as day? Despite the fact that I said multiple times that I'm not anti-sex? Of course, you would choose to ignore this because it doesn't fit in with your argument. I'm afraid you're subscribing to the old ''la-la-la-I-can't hear-you'' method of arguing your case. Well, sorry, it's not working.
For somebody so keen to lecture me on respecting how everybody has different opinions, you're remarkably quick to make a rather insulting judgment about somebody's personal beliefs from a few internet posts.

I don't have a problem with women who show their body to the world. If I did, I would go around campaigning against nudist beaches and the like. I wear revealing clothes myself, and have no problem with anybody displaying their sexuality openly. Be my guest.

My problem is how a woman's sexuality is commodifed in a way that men's simply are not.

3. Now, you're just clutching at straws. When did I ever say there weren't problems in any other industries? Not once. Totally irrelevant. However, this is a thread about Hugh Hefner, we're discussing the sex industry, and that's why I'm criticizing certain aspects of it.

If you don't agree, then fine, but putting words in my mouth and assuming things about me won't help your argument.

AARRRGH

Acacia wrote: »

1. Sure, there are. But when they start taking off their clothes and modifying their bodies to look a certain way to solve their self-esteem issues, then we have a problem.Take the case of Jodie Marsh- bullied at school, body issues, she said herself that she poses in magazines like FHM and Nuts because it's a way of proving to her old class mates that she is indeed attractive.

Your point is totally invalid.

I could pick any industry and say some of them have self esteem issues, and some of they have found their job makes them feel better about themselves.

Seriously, can you not see what you are saying could be applied to any industry?

Acacia wrote: »

2. Oh, is it really clear as day? Despite the fact that I said multiple times that I'm not anti-sex? Of course, you would choose to ignore this because it doesn't fit in with your argument. I'm afraid you're subscribing to the old ''la-la-la-I-can't hear-you'' method of arguing your case. Well, sorry, it's not working.
For somebody so keen to lecture me on respecting how everybody has different opinions, you're remarkably quick to make a rather insulting judgment about somebody's personal beliefs from a few internet posts.

I don't have a problem with women who show their body to the world. If I did, I would go around campaigning against nudist beaches and the like. I wear revealing clothes myself, and have no problem with anybody displaying their sexuality openly. Be my guest.

Look, I'm not stupid, and I find it insulting that you can say "I have no problem with women taking their clothes off for money" and then say the opposite a few minutes later.

Can you not see your posts are highly negative about the adult industry? Why do you think that is...? Is it really because you have no issues with the adult industry. You are making no sense.

Acacia wrote: »

My problem is how a woman's sexuality is commodifed in a way that men's simply are not.

I can understand your concern, but I don't think you're entirely correct.

Yes, women are appreciated for their beauty. Yes, the media generally focusses on good looking women.

But you know what? The media generally focusses on good looking men too.

Another issue you're ignoring is the fact that we are highly sexual creatures. Men (and women!) think about sex a lot and want to see attractive women - that is natural and isn't going to go away.

I would agree in an ideal world no one would care about "good looks" to a certain extent, but then that would mean we aren't human anymore.

Btw, I think it's great a woman can earn a lot of money by doing nothing other than showing her body. Fair play to her. The human body is beautiful and its great most people appreciate that.

Acacia wrote: »

3. Now, you're just clutching at straws. When did I ever say there weren't problems in any other industries? Not once. Totally irrelevant. However, this is a thread about Hugh Hefner, we're discussing the sex industry, and that's why I'm criticizing certain aspects of it.

If you don't agree, then fine, but putting words in my mouth and assuming things about me won't help your argument.

I'm afraid this is the problem. You don't understand that what you're saying is utterly general and could be applied to anything. And you're saying you mean one thing and then saying the opposite a few sentences later.

It's ok if you personally wouldn't take off your clothes for money, but stop trying to knock women who don't think like you. It's a very backwards and close minded mentality.

EDIT: The reason I'm being tough on you is because I think it is wrong to try to imply a group of people (e.g. strippers) must have some sort of mental or emotional issue.

Alarums

Acacia wrote: »

My problem is how a woman's sexuality is commodifed in a way that men's simply are not.

This is simply because men and women are, and always will be, different. Look at a bunch of women at a male strip show and they are all laughing and screaming and joking with each other, it's a bonding experience. Look at a bunch of men at a female strip show and they are barely even talking to each other, they are mentally recording the strippers for future playback. Men look ridiculous when they strip and a lot of women are not turned on by the sight of dicks, but a huge percentage of men are turned on by the sight of tits.

Acacia

AARRRGH wrote: »

Your point is totally invalid.

I could pick any industry and say some of them have self esteem issues, and some of they have found their job makes them feel better about themselves.

Seriously, can you not see what you are saying could be applied to any industry?




Look, I'm not stupid, and I find it insulting that you can say "I have no problem with women taking their clothes off for money" and then say the opposite a few minutes later.

Can you not see your posts are highly negative about the adult industry? Why do you think that is...? Is it really because you have no issues with the adult industry. You are making no sense.




I can understand your concern, but I don't think you're entirely correct.

Yes, women are appreciated for their beauty. Yes, the media generally focusses on good looking women.

But you know what? The media generally focusses on good looking men too.

Another issue you're ignoring is the fact that we are highly sexual creatures. Men (and women!) think about sex a lot and want to see attractive women - that is natural and isn't going to go away.

I would agree in an ideal world no one would care about "good looks" to a certain extent, but then that would mean we aren't human anymore.

Btw, I think it's great a woman can earn a lot of money by doing nothing other than showing her body. Fair play to her. The human body is beautiful and its great most people appreciate that.




I'm afraid this is the problem. You don't understand that what you're saying is utterly general and could be applied to anything. And you're saying you mean one thing and then saying the opposite a few sentences later.

It's ok if you personally wouldn't take off your clothes for money, but stop trying to knock women who don't think like you. It's a very backwards and close minded mentality.

EDIT: The reason I'm being tough on you is because I think it is wrong to try to imply a group of people (e.g. strippers) must have some sort of mental or emotional issue.

1. It's not invalid. Maybe I haven't been making myself clear. The problem I have with women with self-esteem issues who happen to work in the adult industry is that they are looking to others (male gratification) to make them feel good about themselves. It's not coming from within themselves. It also leads to younger women thinking that you have to look a certain way to feature on lads' mags, that these are the only type of women men are interested in. It sends out a bad message, and that's my issue with it.

I see how other people could use their job to make them feel better. But the thing about the sex industry is once you pass your prime, looks-wise, then you're back to square-one, as you get less and less work, and your self-esteem drops again. There's no longevity, just a temporary fix.

2. Yes, I have issues with the adult industry. What I don't have an issue with is sex, as I've repeated time and time again. There's a difference between the two. I wasn't implying you were stupid, I apologize if I came across that way.It's just annoying having to say the same thing over and over again.

3. The media generally focus on good-looking people, it's true. However, it's easier for an 'ugly' guy to be successful than an 'ugly' woman. Next time you read an interview with a famous man and famous woman, I bet that the woman's interview will focus almost exclusively on their diet, figures, opinions on cosmetic surgery and the like. Men very rarely get asked these types of questions, because they are valued more for their intelligence/ talent, etc.

4. Again, I've said time and time again that I don't have a problem with sex. I know it's natural, and beautiful, etc. It seems like you want to believe that I hate sex because it fits your argument, tbh.

5. And i think it's a sad indication about how a woman's body is her most valued asset, in comparison to men, who generally are valued for the business skills, intelligence, talent, etc. There's nothing 'wrong' with it, apart from that.

6. I'm entitled to give my opinion on different issues. I thought that's what these forums were for? You don't have to agree with me, but I'm entitled to say it.

7. I've said it a million times- I don't think every woman in the sex industry has emotional problems. How can I make that clearer? I also understand that people with problems are found in many jobs and may use these jobs to make themselves feel good, but this is usually in a different context than in the adult industry, as explained in my first point.

The Sweeper

That's about enough of this thread being dragged into a women/men sex/brains porn/glamour glass high heels/glass ceiling argument.

Back on topic.

AARRRGH

Acacia wrote: »

1. It's not invalid. Maybe I haven't been making myself clear. The problem I have with women with self-esteem issues who happen to work in the adult industry is that they are looking to others (male gratification) to make them feel good about themselves. It's not coming from within themselves. It also leads to younger women thinking that you have to look a certain way to feature on lads' mags, that these are the only type of women men are interested in. It sends out a bad message, and that's my issue with it.

I see how other people could use their job to make them feel better. But the thing about the sex industry is once you pass your prime, looks-wise, then you're back to square-one, as you get less and less work, and your self-esteem drops again. There's no longevity, just a temporary fix.

I agree with you to an extent, but again, you could apply a similar sort of logic to every industry. For example, a lot of industries put a lot of emphasis on how good your brain is. Isn't that unfair on the dumb people?

Acacia wrote: »

2. Yes, I have issues with the adult industry. What I don't have an issue with is sex, as I've repeated time and time again. There's a difference between the two. I wasn't implying you were stupid, I apologize if I came across that way.It's just annoying having to say the same thing over and over again.

If you don't have issues with sex or nudity, then how is it possible to have issues with the adult industry?

Can you not see there is a connection? Something somewhere inside you thinks what the women do is wrong. This is fairly normal, for hundreds of years we were told sex is wrong. But that doesn't make your feelings right.

I repeat: not everyone in the world is like you. Just because you could not personally work in the adult industry doesn't mean the people who do are damaged or wrong. They are just different than you.

From my own personal experience, there are a lot more damaged people in the IT industry than there are in the adult industry. But I don't hear anyone condemning the IT industry.

Acacia wrote: »

3. The media generally focus on good-looking people, it's true. However, it's easier for an 'ugly' guy to be successful than an 'ugly' woman.

I agree being good looking gives you a head start in this world, but it will only get you so far. I also agree, in general, the way a woman looks is more important than the way a man looks.

But what you're talking about is generally confined to young people. As I've gotten older I've noticed people place less importance on looks and more importance on personality, intelligence, etc.

Do you consider yourself to be good looking?

Acacia wrote: »

4. Again, I've said time and time again that I don't have a problem with sex. I know it's natural, and beautiful, etc. It seems like you want to believe that I hate sex because it fits your argument, tbh.

As stated above, the fact that you think there is something wrong with showing your body to the world suggests you have issues with the naked body, or at least associate guilt/negativilty with sexuality.

Acacia wrote: »

5. And i think it's a sad indication about how a woman's body is her most valued asset, in comparison to men, who generally are valued for the business skills, intelligence, talent, etc. There's nothing 'wrong' with it, apart from that.

Wrong. The world is not as obsessed with looks as you think. I get the feeling this is quite a personal issue for you, but I assure you intelligent and competent women are respected and valued. I can see from your profile that you are a student - I'm guessing this means you're young. Definitely young people are more obsessed with looks than older people. Certainly people in my age bracket (late 20's/early 30's) place a lot more emphasis on personality and intelligence.

Acacia wrote: »

6. I'm entitled to give my opinion on different issues. I thought that's what these forums were for? You don't have to agree with me, but I'm entitled to say it.

Absolutely, but you are attacking a very large group of women, and I am within my rights to defend them.

Acacia wrote: »

7. I've said it a million times- I don't think every woman in the sex industry has emotional problems. How can I make that clearer? I also understand that people with problems are found in many jobs and may use these jobs to make themselves feel good, but this is usually in a different context than in the adult industry, as explained in my first point.

Then why do your posts have such a negative tone regarding the adult industry? Or do you feel like this about every industry?

EDIT: Only saw this now:

That's about enough of this thread being dragged into a women/men sex/brains porn/glamour glass high heels/glass ceiling argument.

Back on topic.

Nursy

Minesajackdaniels wrote: »

That's about enough of this thread being dragged into a women/men sex/brains porn/glamour glass high heels/glass ceiling argument.

Back on topic.

Yes please....:pac::pac::pac::pac: so Heff yes or no.....
I say no... he's too old....:D Although I wouldn't mind being a bunny...

halfinch

eurgh I wouldnt mind the lifestyle but naked heff HELL NO

bronte

A thousand times NO! :eek:

scary_tractors

Acacia wrote: »

Because women are replaceable machines who should be chucked on the rubbish heap as soon as a younger or hotter model comes along.

It's the fact that people think he's ''living the dream'' that worries me. It all seems rather shallow and pointless to me.

+ 1

Zaph

scary_tractors wrote: »

+ 1

Which bit of this instruction did you not understand?

Minesajackdaniels wrote: »

That's about enough of this thread being dragged into a women/men sex/brains porn/glamour glass high heels/glass ceiling argument.

Back on topic.

SeekUp

As much as it pains me to say it, the idea of taking care of HH in the bedroom wouldn't stop me from being his g/f (if I were so inclined to live the kind of money/glamour/teeny-weeny-bikini-lounging-by-the-pool lifestyle).

The deal breaker for me would be sharing the Playboy mansion with all of the other "bunnies", bouncing around all day without a care in the world.

lynnog81

tell me this I love watching Girls of the Playboy Mansion on E channel and I ve only recently heard that he split from Holly. But in current tv show there is holly kendra and bridget. Holly seems to be the main on who shares his bed and wants his babies (not any more obviously) but does he actaully sleep with all the playmates, ie. Bridget and Kendra at present??

Zaph

lynnog81 wrote: »

tell me this I love watching Girls of the Playboy Mansion on E channel and I ve only recently heard that he split from Holly. But in current tv show there is holly kendra and bridget. Holly seems to be the main on who shares his bed and wants his babies (not any more obviously) but does he actaully sleep with all the playmates, ie. Bridget and Kendra at present??

Kindly keep on topic please. If you want to engage in this sort of discussion may I suggest that the Celebrity & Showbiz forum is the place for you.

Peared

Yeesh. So as I see it posting 'yes' or 'no' are the only options cos anything else is off topic?

Zaph

Peared wrote: »

Yeesh. So as I see it posting 'yes' or 'no' are the only options cos anything else is off topic?

Not at all, but there is a whole forum for celebrity gossip and this isn't it. Whether Hef sleeps with the girls or not is not material to this discussion.

LivingDeadGirl

Ugh, no. Ancient and sleazy!

MizzLolly

I'm 19 and well, I probably wouldn't!












especially not with my sister, that's just wrong! :P

line_of_fire

NO!!! as much as i love hugh heffner and what he has made himself i couldnt be with someone in the bedroom who is old enough to be my grandad its just wrong!! Wouldnt mind been a bunny though and havin the lifestyle!:D

MJOR

No way an 82 year old mickey for company on a cold night.... yuck!:P

lolly22

Heehee ^^^^ Nevaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa:p

MJOR

like he seems sound and all but its just the 82 year old mickey......and the fact that you'd have to share him with other girls. So it'd be an overworked 82 yr old mickey

lolly22

Say no more

Scarinae

Definitely not, he is a disgusting old sleaze. I can do much better for myself - a filthy man in his 80s who sleeps with other women and is probably into all sorts of weird kinky stuff?!

GirlInterrupted

I would. But only if the following conditions apply:

1. He must be the last man alive.
2. He must have at least one functioning swimmer left in him.
3. I must have the future of the entire human race resting on my shoulders.
4. The world must be mysteriously empty of turkey basters.
5. He must bathe in undiluted Dettol first.
6. A sheet is prepared, with a small hole for access, by boiling in bleach, and Mr Hefner must agree to being covered from head to foot in it. Except for said hole.
7. It must be over in 6 seconds or less.
8. It must never be spoken of again.
9. In return for my services to humanity, I am crowned Queen of the World.

And I must be drugged. And have all memory of the act erased chemically afterwards.

Other than that, no way on earth would I go near the man, no matter how charming or worldly or persuasive.

ellenmelon

sh!t no.

AARRRGH

I think the sex might be a bit bad... from an ex-playmate

Ex-Playmate wrote:

On sex night you go upstairs and the girls that are brand new, or the girls who don't have their own room yet, have to take a bath. That's a requirement. You also have to put on a certain pair of pink pajamas. They're all lined up and neat. You can tell they've been to the cleaners. They tell you to put them on, even though you take them off as soon as you enter Hef's room.

He doesn't really do anything. He just lies there with his Viagra erection. It's just a fake erection, and each girl gets on top of him for two minutes while the girls in the background try to keep him excited. They'll yell things like, "F-k her daddy, f-k her daddaddy!" There's a lot of cheerleader going on!

There's also gay porn on in the background.

Classy.

Scarinae

AARRRGH wrote: »

I think the sex might be a bit bad... from an ex-playmate



Classy.

:eek: Urrgh

coffee_cake

AARRRGH wrote: »

I think the sex might be a bit bad... from an ex-playmate



Classy.

Christ that's disturbing. nothx

Ann22

No waybejaybee! I'm 39 and I wouldn't go near him with a barge pole. Don't know what auld fellas like him and Peter Stringfellow are thinking of- girls that could easily be young enough to be their granddaughters in all honesty! I can't imagine how they must feel in their wrinkly shrivelled little bodies rolling around with young beautiful girls, I'd feel so embarrassed! I'd be covered up to my neck in the blankets with all the lights off.:o