N3-M50 interchange

Jip

Stark wrote: »

As far as I know, the correct movement is for cars in the middle lane from the N3 inbound to move over to the outermost lane on the roundabout while the cars from the left lane take the M50 NB on ramp. Then the cars coming from the right lane go to the middle lane as there are hashed road markings stopping you from going from right lane to innermost lane on roundabout. It should be fairly straightforward but there's a tendency for cars to go from middle lane to middle lane squeezing you into the innermost lane.

That's how I see it and that's how it works most of the time, cars in the middle lane at the lights move to the left lane on the roundabout itself, and then cars in the right at the lights can use either the middle or rightmost lane on the roundabout, but it only takes one person to fu(k it up by either cutting across lane from the middle lane at the lights or those pricks who go down the empty leftmost lane which should be for the M50 northbound but then cut across to go onto the roundabout.

Heroditas

Jip wrote: »

That's how I see it and that's how it works most of the time, cars in the middle lane at the lights move to the left lane on the roundabout itself, and then cars in the right at the lights can use either the middle or rightmost lane on the roundabout, but it only takes one person to fu(k it up by either cutting across lane from the middle lane at the lights or those pricks who go down the empty leftmost lane which should be for the M50 northbound but then cut across to go onto the roundabout.

I must have a look at the road signs approaching the roundabout again.

As you approach the roundabout just after the old Blanch roundabout, don't the signs indicate the leftmost lane can enter the leftmost lane on the M50 roundabout?

Random

as you go past total fitness (on your left) and coming onto the roundabout there's 2 lanes. the sign (on the left) suggests left lane goes m50 north and onto left lane on roundabout. the middle goes to middle and the right goes to right.

then on the roundabout left goes city, middle goes city / m50 south, right goes m50 south.

the sign on the right hand side of the road suggests left lane is m50 north, and confuses the rest.

it's badly marked and the road markings don't help one bit.

Heroditas

Random wrote: »

then on the roundabout left goes city, middle goes city / m50 south, right goes m50 south.

the sign on the right hand side of the road suggests left lane is m50 north, and confuses the rest.

it's badly marked and the road markings don't help one bit.

That's what I thought!
I'm amazed there haven't been more accidents.

Davy

Random wrote: »

as you go past total fitness (on your left) and coming onto the roundabout there's 2 lanes. the sign (on the left) suggests left lane goes m50 north and onto left lane on roundabout. the middle goes to middle and the right goes to right.

then on the roundabout left goes city, middle goes city / m50 south, right goes m50 south.

the sign on the right hand side of the road suggests left lane is m50 north, and confuses the rest.

it's badly marked and the road markings don't help one bit.

Cant say ive noticed the signs much, but the left lane was always M50 NB only so i think its still meant to be that way. I have seen cars and buses using it and continuing straight on to the roundabout.

If you are on the right lane before the roundabout, i think you should go to the middle lane on the roundabout. The right lane on the roundabout is useless imo.

I remember first time coming onto the roundabout and did use the right lane and tryin to get m50 SB was pretty bad, but always goes into the middlelane from lane 3 now.

AlekSmart

Whilst it`s gratifying to see the end finally in sight for this project I still have reservations about the quality of design which goes into these.

One of my major issues is the sheer abundance of Solid Bordered Cross Hatched space which adorns virtually every major junction on our newer systems.

Whilst these borders are common throughout the world I`m not so sure that the rest of the world has embraced them to such an extent in a relatively small area.

The native Irish attitude to these SBCH zones is usually one of total disregard as whenever any minor tailback occurs the accepted wisdom appears to be that its ok to scoot past on the marked zone.

Any area of carriageway which is not intended for vehicular usage should,I believe,be kerbed off or otherwise made physically impossible for the uncouth and uneducated to drive across (unless they`re prepared to pull the chassis off their motor).

Already on this thread we read of issues at some of the new junctions due to ignorance and inability.
Surely it should be a perogative to actively reduce the occasions where this is possible.....Fence em In I say !!!!

Random

Driving past the Auburn / N3 roundabout tonight and noticed heaps of sand and gravel there along with lots of heavy machinery. Looks like they're moving to proper sort this junction in the next couple of days.

cargo

Random wrote: »

Driving past the Auburn / N3 roundabout tonight and noticed heaps of sand and gravel there along with lots of heavy machinery. Looks like they're moving to proper sort this junction in the next couple of days.

Also saw a huge beam been escorted along the M50, just on the Red Cow side of the N3/M50 junction last night around 9pm. I assume it was destined for this junction also. Looked like some of the V-shaped ones already in place.

MessyRedBlue

Theres a new sign out bound on the navan road just after the phoenix park train station that says there wll be a "New road layout from 18/02/2010". I guess the roundabout at the travel lodge will be gone on Thursday.

Random

Was driving down there tonight. Coming inbound from the M50 roundabout you're now going under a bridge and out the little road by the travellodge. You can't turn up Auburn without going down the Navan road and over the bridge at the Phoenix Park station.

Looks like lots of works to the road removing roundabout.. would imagine it'll be a nice mess in the morning

Jip

Wasn't too bad this morning actually, just a little confusion for those heading inbound and wanting to turn onto Auburn Avenue. There's also a new overhead gantry on the N3 just before the junction where Scotts Roundabout used to be.

MessyRedBlue

The sign has changed, it now says Friday 19th. Fair play to them for doing this when the schools are off - decent planning for once. The free movement mght change come monday!

Random

They appear to be changing things so that you can't:
- turn right inbound onto Auburn
- turn right from Auburn inbound

Wonder how long this will last for?

MessyRedBlue

Hopefully it wont be for too long, they may be just linking up one side of the roundabout at a time.
I guess the traffic from auburn will be forced toward the phoenix park and rejoin the navan road at the halfway house.

daymobrew

What is the route for the following situations?
I'll be dropping my car in for service at Brady's.
1) Coming down Auburn Ave from Castleknock and turning right onto N3 inbound, toward Ashtown.
2) Outbound on N3 from Ashtown to get to the Phoenix Industrial Estate opposite Phoenix Park Racecourse?

Gaspode

Anyone know what the plan is for the N3/auburn Ave junction?
I use it daily coming from the River Road/Dunsink Lane heading to Beechpark avenue. Will I still be able to get through the junction after the roundabout is gone?

Roryhy

This should answer your question.

Maldini2706

How did the new layout go this morning?

whosedaddy?

Some info from m50.ie

This change in layout will see the removal of the roundabout and the introduction of a permanent signalised junction. For a period of about 2 weeks there will be no right turn inbound onto Auburn Avenue and instead traffic will have to continue inbound to the Train Station junction to turn around and approach from an Outbound direction.

Auburn junction pdf

Random

I've used the junction today and no complaints. Traffic seems to be flowing fine, much better than the roundabout anyway.

Thanks for the PDF link.

mackerski

Random wrote: »

I've used the junction today and no complaints. Traffic seems to be flowing fine, much better than the roundabout anyway.

The removal of the right-turning movements will have helped a lot, so it may not stay that good.

Jip

There's specific right turning lanes so once the right turn ban ends there won't be much difference.

Stark

But they'll probably have to give more green time to Auburn Avenue and River Road?

richardjjd

Gaspode wrote: »

Anyone know what the plan is for the N3/auburn Ave junction?
I use it daily coming from the River Road/Dunsink Lane heading to Beechpark avenue. Will I still be able to get through the junction after the roundabout is gone?

The PDF posted by whosedaddy? suggests that even after the junction is finalised there won't be any through road from River Road to Auburn Ave in either direction - the quickest solution might be to loop around the M50 roundabout and turn right onto Auburn Ave (or left onto River Road).

Gaspode

Yeah, its hard to tell from the plans whether it will be a through road or not. feck it anyway, detouring via M50 roundabout or via the overpass at Pheonix park would just burn too much petrol - I'll just have to head up to the N3 via the Halfway House roundabout. That'll cost me a fortune in petrol, progress eh!! :rolleyes:
Still, everyone else will save by not having to inch around that awful roundabout that they just removed, so I suppose I'll just suck it up and get over it. This time next year we wont even be able to remember what the roudnabout looked like!

daymobrew

Gaspode wrote: »

Yeah, its hard to tell from the plans whether it will be a through road or not. feck it anyway, detouring via M50 roundabout or via the overpass at Pheonix park would just burn too much petrol - I'll just have to head up to the N3 via the Halfway House roundabout. That'll cost me a fortune in petrol, progress eh!! :rolleyes:

Coming from Auburn Ave, the PDF shows left (N3/M50) and right (N3/City) only. That's surprising, but they might have examined River Road traffic volume and deemed the impact justified (obviously those affected don't see it that way).

The image of the final junction seems to show straight through routes.
Southbound M50 to River Road might have to cross a few lanes in a hurry before the River Road junction.

Davy

Sorry about the quality, was using a crappy camera phone. This are looking towards the M50/N3 roundabout from the new road that's parallel to the N3 on the dunsink lane side.

Jip

Stark wrote: »

But they'll probably have to give more green time to Auburn Avenue and River Road?

True.

I was behind some tool in a transit van on Saturday morning on the N3 inbound and despite all the signs he still tried to take a right turn onto Auburn Avenue, he didn't manage it anyway.

chewed

Here's a photo from Feb 18th

Davy

Show off with your decent camera