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Do all Catholics in the six counties want a united Ireland?

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    #392
    madden1
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    murphaph;58472927]
    NI is even luckier-very high proportion of government jobs coupled with a land border with a strong Euro. For the time being, NI is much better off in the UK than out.
    How in under God do you come to the conclusion that people in the North are lucky to have a land border with a strong Euro,
    when every time anyone who lives in the North travels South, The Zambian Dollar--sorry British Pound gets more and more worthless,


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    #393
    murphaph
    Registered Users Posts: 19,023 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    madden1 wrote: »
    How in under God do you come to the conclusion that people in the North are lucky to have a land border with a strong Euro,
    when every time anyone who lives in the North travels South, The Zambian Dollar--sorry British Pound gets more and more worthless,
    .....what in the name of God would a NI resident want to come south to buy that they can't get cheaper in NI itself? NI will do well because all the trade is the other way and retail jobs are secure so long as that is the case! :rolleyes:


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    #394
    madden1
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    murphaph wrote: »
    .....what in the name of God would a NI resident want to come south to buy that they can't get cheaper in NI itself? NI will do well because all the trade is the other way and retail jobs are secure so long as that is the case! :rolleyes:
    Well fuel for cars for a start, which was a lot cheaper,
    "Holidays" getting away from the Orange men who take over the six counties during the summer,


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    #395
    murphaph
    Registered Users Posts: 19,023 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    madden1 wrote: »
    Well fuel for cars for a start, which was a lot cheaper,
    "Holidays" getting away from the Orange men who take over the six counties during the summer,
    Oh god. Do all the catholics evacuate for the summer months? :D

    Did people drive from Belfast to the border to get petrol a bit cheaper? :D


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    #396
    madden1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39 ✭madden1


    murphaph wrote: »
    Oh god. Do all the catholics evacuate for the summer months? :D
    Quite a few, have you never noticed them leave Newcastle when the breathern start marching
    Did people drive from Belfast to the border to get petrol a bit cheaper? :D
    yes and Taigs and Prods and a lot of hauliers taxed there vehicles in the south as well,
    but with the now third world British Pound ;) its not worth while any more.


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    #397
    Bottle_of_Smoke
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    thehighground wrote: »
    But we're talking about a NI Protestant here. If I was a Unionist I'd be worried that people who used to see themselves as British now acknowledge that they actually are Irish (and turning their back on their Britishness).

    They guy I was referring to was from a Protestant family & is Northern Irish. I meant him not me. I'm from a Catholic background


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    #398
    tayto2009
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    bottom line weather people in the north want it or not....the land they live on was stolen from ireland so morally its correct that the country is united all potestants and catholics should just except the fact.. protestants and catholics live amoung each other as irish citizens in the south no reason why the cant in the north...


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    #399
    Nodin
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    madden1 wrote: »
    "Holidays" getting away from the Orange men who take over the six counties during the summer,

    In fairness it wasn't only catholics who preferred to be elsewhere. Thats dropped off a good bit though.


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    #400
    Irlbo
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    tayto2009 wrote: »
    bottom line weather people in the north want it or not....the land they live on was stolen from ireland so morally its correct that the country is united all potestants and catholics should just except the fact.. protestants and catholics live amoung each other as irish citizens in the south no reason why the cant in the north...

    Spot on


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    #401
    The Corinthian
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    Irlbo wrote: »
    Spot on
    Then I suppose you would support Israeli reclamation of Palestine-Judea as it was stolen from then (and the population was kicked out) by the Romans in 70 AD.


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    #402
    djpbarry
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    tayto2009 wrote: »
    .. protestants and catholics live amoung each other as irish citizens in the south no reason why the cant in the north...
    Protestants and Catholics live among each other as British citizens in the north so no reason why they can’t in the south.

    See what I did there?


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    #403
    The Corinthian
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    djpbarry wrote: »
    Protestants and Catholics live among each other as British citizens in the north so no reason why they can’t in the south.

    See what I did there?
    Yes, you oversimplified things.

    For a start they'd have to live with us too then (and both communities have various issues with that). Then there's the question of subsidies. Then self-government (alien concept down here). I could go on, but it might spoil the fantasy...


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    #404
    djpbarry
    Registered Users Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    The Corinthian wrote: »
    Yes, you oversimplified things.
    Indeed I did, as did the poster to whom I was replying, which is what I was driving at.


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    dante18
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    The Corinthian wrote: »
    Then self-government (alien concept down here).

    What do you mean by that?


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    #406
    The Corinthian
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    djpbarry wrote: »
    Indeed I did, as did the poster to whom I was replying, which is what I was driving at.
    Upps.
    dante18 wrote: »
    What do you mean by that?
    Ireland is a very centralized country by European standards. County councils have a very limited level of independence, but ultimately nothing compared to the autonomous regions of Germany or Italy or devolution in the UK. It's simply something we have no political familiarity with and would be a big mindset change for Lenster house to deal with.


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    #407
    luckyfrank
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    The Corinthian wrote: »
    Upps.

    Ireland is a very centralized country by European standards. County councils have a very limited level of independence, but ultimately nothing compared to the autonomous regions of Germany or Italy or devolution in the UK. It's simply something we have no political familiarity with and would be a big mindset change for Lenster house to deal with.


    Irelands tiny mate so there is not much need for regional self-goverence however if a future united ireland was dependant on a federal system where the provinces had a greater say in there own affairs id gladly accept it


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    #408
    The Corinthian
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    luckyfrank wrote: »
    Irelands tiny mate so there is not much need for regional self-goverence however if a future united ireland was dependant on a federal system where the provinces had a greater say in there own affairs id gladly accept it
    Who said anything about you accepting it. I was talking about the existing political establishment that has essentially been around since the Free State.

    And please don't call me mate.


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    #409
    luckyfrank
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭luckyfrank


    The Corinthian wrote: »
    Who said anything about you accepting it. I was talking about the existing political establishment that has essentially been around since the Free State.

    And please don't call me mate.


    OK mate


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    #410
    The Corinthian
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    luckyfrank wrote: »
    OK mate
    Oh dear... Well, if it makes you feel better about yourself that you could be my mate, who am I to deny you your simple pleasures.


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    #411
    luckyfrank
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭luckyfrank


    The Corinthian wrote: »
    Oh dear... Well, if it makes you feel better about yourself that you could be my mate, who am I to deny you your simple pleasures.


    I was just being nice with you lad and for some reason you took offence to it

    Keep your smart ass comments to yourself your not going to embarrass me


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    #412
    TOMASJ
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    djpbarry wrote: »
    Protestants and Catholics live among each other as British citizens in the north
    Do you not mean British subjects, & Irish citizens, living among other in the North


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    #413
    The Corinthian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭The Corinthian


    luckyfrank wrote: »
    I was just being nice with you lad and for some reason you took offence to it
    No you weren't. Otherwise you might then consider my referring to you as 'boy' as similar term of 'nice' familiarity.
    Keep your smart ass comments to yourself your not going to embarrass me
    Which is what I have effectively asked you to do already when I asked you not to call me 'mate'.
    TOMASJ wrote: »
    Do you not mean British subjects, & Irish citizens, living among other in the North
    Actually I think the British are officially citizens now, the subject bit got dropped / redefined. Open to correction.


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    #414
    Irlbo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 347 ✭✭Irlbo


    luckyfrank wrote: »
    Irelands tiny mate so there is not much need for regional self-goverence however if a future united ireland was dependant on a federal system where the provinces had a greater say in there own affairs id gladly accept it

    Are you talking about the RSF view of things Frank,Eire Nua?


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    #415
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    The Corinthian wrote: »
    Actually I think the British are officially citizens now, the subject bit got dropped / redefined. Open to correction.

    My passport was issued in 2000 and according to that I am a British Citizen.

    The regional assembley stuff is a good idea, but what is the point of a local government who are incapable of actually doing anything other than arguing over wether it should be called "The North" or "Northern Ireland". i think there is a long way to go before stormont gets to actually govern itself.


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    #416
    ShotgunPaddy
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    We need to get away from a simplistic breakdown of the NI population into Protestants and Catholics. What about non Christians? There multiple ethenic groups in NI of which the two largest are "White Irish" and "White British". The "White Irish" want reunification, the "White British" don't. You only have to look at the newspapers which are split along ethnic lines. It's a similar situation to Belgium where most of the Walloons want reunification with France but the Flemish don't.


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    #417
    Grudaire
    Registered Users Posts: 3,620 ✭✭✭Grudaire


    ShotgunPaddy wrote: »
    We need to get away from a simplistic breakdown of the NI population into Protestants and Catholics. What about non Christians?

    Doesn't everyone 'unite' up there to hate them?


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    #418
    getz
    Registered Users Posts: 5,255 ✭✭✭getz


    ShotgunPaddy wrote: »
    We need to get away from a simplistic breakdown of the NI population into Protestants and Catholics. What about non Christians? There multiple ethenic groups in NI of which the two largest are "White Irish" and "White British". The "White Irish" want reunification, the "White British" don't. You only have to look at the newspapers which are split along ethnic lines. It's a similar situation to Belgium where most of the Walloons want reunification with France but the Flemish don't.
    i am english-- a scotsman is scottish-a welshman is welsh -a northern irishman is irish --and we are all british-most people in the north of ireland do not want to join the republic.it could be because they would be worse off -no national health service ect -or it just may be that it is the republican hate over the years--remember most northern irish people can take out a irish republic passport if they want -and it seems they dont want too-- the problems in belgium is a language differerence


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    #419
    TOMASJ
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    getz wrote: »
    remember most northern irish people can take out a irish republic passport if they want -and it seems they dont want too-- the problems in belgium is a language differerence
    Have a look here,http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7484182.stm contradicts what you have posted.


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    #420
    ShotgunPaddy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 66 ✭✭ShotgunPaddy


    getz wrote: »
    i am english-- a scotsman is scottish-a welshman is welsh -a northern irishman is irish --and we are all british

    Sorry Getz but the last part of that statement is not true. There is a substantial minority of people on NI that do not consider themselves British.

    Frankly, I am amazed that we still get posts like this. Thirty eight years of massive media coverage of NI and still some people have no idea.


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    #421
    SirHenryGrattan
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    getz wrote: »
    it just may be that it is the republican hate over the years

    What exactly does "republican hate" mean?


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