F1 GP Japan,view this before FOM take it down

joeperry

Heres a link to a youtube video showing some new angles of what happened,i did wonder how Hamilton went from 3rd to 6th on the first lap but we didnt see this on the terrestrial broadcast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG6ZyQ7Xddo

Frank Bullitt

Wow, didnt know he made such a mess of it.

joeperry

Yeah hamilton had some serious brain fade at the start :eek:.

Frank Bullitt

When the smallest amount of pressure applies he just falls to pieces, I personally dont care who wins the championship anyway(Kimi and Fernando fan) but i just hope Ferrari get the constructors title, but it really is Hamiltons to loose...and he is doing a god job of loosing it.

joeperry

Its all very exciting,we can thank hamilton for that.Hes done some amazing things this year but hes far from the finished article.Mclaren should of farmed him out to another team to learn the trade properly.

If Mclaren had of backed Alonso last year ,he would of won the championship and he'd still be with them this year an wouldve had it in the bag again this year.

Biro

joeperry wrote: »

Its all very exciting,we can thank hamilton for that.Hes done some amazing things this year but hes far from the finished article.Mclaren should of farmed him out to another team to learn the trade properly.

If Mclaren had of backed Alonso last year ,he would of won the championship and he'd still be with them this year an wouldve had it in the bag again this year.

Did you post that on the autocar site too?

Manic Moran

Oof. He made a serious hains of that one, didn't he? Thanks for that link.

NTM

joeperry

Biro wrote: »

Did you post that on the autocar site too?

Noooo i didnt , i read what that guy wrote and i thoroughly agreed with him.so i spread the word in the hope Ron Dennis wil read it somewhere

elmolesto

He made a real mess out of it!

Oblomov

If Mclaren had of backed Alonso last year ,he would of won the championship and he'd still be with them this year an wouldve had it in the bag again this year.

ROFLMAO

Where have you been, on another planet.??... were you aware of Frantic fernandos threats.??

I cant see any team keeping after that sort of action

amacachi

Had they backed him he wouldn't have made any threats.

FrostyJack

I cant see any team keeping after that sort of action

Yeah he was always had a terrible relationship with the Minardi and Renault team, right? Oh wait he wasn't treated like crap instead of the World Championship there.

Biro

Oblomov wrote: »

If Mclaren had of backed Alonso last year ,he would of won the championship and he'd still be with them this year an wouldve had it in the bag again this year.

ROFLMAO

Where have you been, on another planet.??... were you aware of Frantic fernandos threats.??

I cant see any team keeping after that sort of action

It's true though, whether you like it or not. If McLaren let Hamilton break into F1 by giving him a 2 year contract with some back of the line team before moving him into the fastest car, then last year Alonso would have been the number one driver. If that was the case, then no one would have taken points from him throughout the season, so he'd have gotten the solitary point he needed to win!

Steve

Hamilton totally deserved what he got IMO.

He cacked up the start and allowed red mist to take over before he got to turn 1. He could easily have caused a mass pile-up with that move. Had other drivers been in the same mindset then that's exactly what would've happened. This type of reactive racing is what separates him from the greats like Schumacher and Senna.

I cheered when Massa took him out and he had to wait for the entire field to pass. Too many times has he won races on the back of others misfortune and this time karma finally bit him in the ass.

LEIN

Oblomov wrote: »

If Mclaren had of backed Alonso last year ,he would of won the championship and he'd still be with them this year an wouldve had it in the bag again this year.

ROFLMAO

Where have you been, on another planet.??... were you aware of Frantic fernandos threats.??

I cant see any team keeping after that sort of action

Must be a Hamilton fan. :rolleyes:

Renault have him and want to keep him.

Honda have put a big offer on the table for him and if my memory serves me correctly Red Bull where after him too!

So what planet where you been living on??

Oblomov

OK so it's the norm to go to your boss and demand being treated as number one or you will go to the FIA and show them all your text messages...

OK I accept that


Then to get beaten by the young under study and scream and shout that it must be stopped...

Oh

Then rush to the stewards over some waiting in the line to go out on circuit.

You may not know, but if the dummy is not picked up and quick when Fernando drops it.... woooooo the shouts and tears...

The way the guy has milked the 'other team' move through the season.. why did nobody rush in if he is that good. Because unless he picks his teammate..... he wont drive... Flavio treats his every whim ansd why do you think Rosberg is being kept, he is not seen as a threat to Alonso


But, Ok if that's the norm.

What did Jodie Foster say in the film, Blow it out of yer ole wahzoo

Take the rose tinted spectacles off and have a look. Ohh those offers, were they real or just the spanish papers talking it up just as Alonso has all season..

amacachi

Oblomov wrote: »

OK so it's the norm to go to your boss and demand being treated as number one or you will go to the FIA and show them all your text messages...

OK I accept that


Then to get beaten by the young under study and scream and shout that it must be stopped...

Oh

Then rush to the stewards over some waiting in the line to go out on circuit.

You may not know, but if the dummy is not picked up and quick when Fernando drops it.... woooooo the shouts and tears...

The way the guy has milked the 'other team' move through the season.. why did nobody rush in if he is that good. Because unless he picks his teammate..... he wont drive... Flavio treats his every whim ansd why do you think Rosberg is being kept, he is not seen as a threat to Alonso


But, Ok if that's the norm.

What did Jodie Foster say in the film, Blow it out of yer ole wahzoo

Take the rose tinted spectacles off and have a look. Ohh those offers, were they real or just the spanish papers talking it up just as Alonso has all season..

I thought the stewards penalised him for letting Hamilton queue behind him in the pitlane?

The "other team" move is a hardly a new ploy in formula, let alone sport:rolleyes:

EvilMonkey

Oblomov wrote: »

OK so it's the norm to go to your boss and demand being treated as number one or you will go to the FIA and show them all your text messages...

He was told he would be number 1 before he moved there so when he was not treated as he expected he was pissed, in this scenario yes it is normal to demand what you were promised.

vectra

I admire Alonso more than ever after his latest statements form yesterday..

This has got to be quote of the year

Alonso on Hamilton =

"I dont know what he did" " But it is good he got punished anyway"

Also
I like this statement from him =

Felipe Massa has received the support of double world champion Fernando Alonso as the Brazilian fights for the 2008 F1 championship title. Renault driver Alonso has revealed he will do whatever he can to help Massa winning the championship.

When asked by Spanish reporters if Alonso is willing to help Felipe Massa the Spaniard replied: "Yes, absolutely. If I'm able to help Massa I certainly will."

It is about time somebody Kicked that little midgets ass on track
I jumped off me seat yesterday when massa spun him.. That was the move of the season for me :P
Teach Hamilton a lesson thinking he has a god given right to own the track and drive as he pleases.

Please god let Massa just beat him by one single point again this year just to rub salt into his wounds.

Steve

vectra wrote: »

This has got to be quote of the year

Wish I'd heard that. Brilliant..:D

cooker3

Ha. You got to love Alonso's honesty about it. This could make for a rather interesting dynamic in the last 2 races.

Also, how come that channel seems to get extra camera angles. Is a PPV service like F1 digital + that sky had for a year?

Oblomov

He was told he would be number 1

By whom? Not by McLaren... a very bad assumption on Alonso part.

The "other team" move is a hardly a new ploy in formula, let alone sport

Name me, two drivers in the last five years that have played the . other team' game all season?

It's nice to see such a sporting bunch of guys viewing the sport with such an open mind, make fair and equitable judgements, reading and managing to glean the truth from a myriad of reporter's opinions. Not just the one's that agree with your own.

No wonder you support Alonso.

I remember his outburst at Singapore after qualiying. Cool, temperate and typical of Alonso, "Mummy, their not picking up my dummy."

Oblomov

Press Release reference Fernando Alonso's comments.


Back to back grand prix winner Fernando Alonso has admitted he would assist the title challenge of Ferrari's Felipe Massa in the last two races of 2008.

After his disastrous tenure at McLaren last year, the Spaniard makes clear he is not barracking for the British team's Lewis Hamilton, who leads the points standings against Massa by 5 points.

In the official post-race press conference at Fuji Speedway, Alonso admitted he agreed with the stewards' decision to penalise Hamilton for his first corner incident.

The 27-year-old later told Italy's Sky: "I didn't know why he (Hamilton) had been penalised. After last year, I want Ferrari to win. I will help Massa if I can."

Despite backing Massa over Hamilton, however, Alonso admits he has not been overly impressed with either driver's championship campaign.

"They have thrown away many points," Spain's Diario AS newspaper quotes him as saying.

"After 16 races the leader has 84 points, but I had that many after 9 races in 2006," Alonso recalls.

Also unimpressed is the winner of multiple Champ Car titles Sebastien Bourdais, who lost his championship points at Fuji after stewards investigated his collision with Massa.

"He's fighting for the title and taking unnecessary risks like that, as he did with (overtaking) Webber as well.

"You've got everything to lose and nothing to gain. It is a sign of arrogance," the Frenchman charged.

Top Dog

I see on the ITV site that Hamilton is accusing Massa of deliberately spinning him. Hmmm. So you've never driven anyone off track then eh Lewis? Like others, I jumped out of my chair with joy at the sight of him sitting there watching the field go by.

As for Ron Dennis not understanding the penalty? Eh, your driver lost his rag and nearly caused a major pile-up into the first corner Ron. Cocky, red-mist and dangerous behaviour that warranted a penalty.

vectra

Oblomov wrote: »

Press Release reference Fernando Alonso's comments.


Back to back grand prix winner Fernando Alonso has admitted he would assist the title challenge of Ferrari's Felipe Massa in the last two races of 2008.

After his disastrous tenure at McLaren last year, the Spaniard makes clear he is not barracking for the British team's Lewis Hamilton, who leads the points standings against Massa by 5 points.

In the official post-race press conference at Fuji Speedway, Alonso admitted he agreed with the stewards' decision to penalise Hamilton for his first corner incident.

The 27-year-old later told Italy's Sky: "I didn't know why he (Hamilton) had been penalised. After last year, I want Ferrari to win. I will help Massa if I can."

Despite backing Massa over Hamilton, however, Alonso admits he has not been overly impressed with either driver's championship campaign.

"They have thrown away many points," Spain's Diario AS newspaper quotes him as saying.

"After 16 races the leader has 84 points, but I had that many after 9 races in 2006," Alonso recalls.

Also unimpressed is the winner of multiple Champ Car titles Sebastien Bourdais, who lost his championship points at Fuji after stewards investigated his collision with Massa.

"He's fighting for the title and taking unnecessary risks like that, as he did with (overtaking) Webber as well.

"You've got everything to lose and nothing to gain. It is a sign of arrogance," the Frenchman charged.

And your point is??

vectra

Oblomov wrote: »

He was told he would be number 1

By whom? Not by McLaren... a very bad assumption on Alonso part.

The "other team" move is a hardly a new ploy in formula, let alone sport

Name me, two drivers in the last five years that have played the . other team' game all season?

It's nice to see such a sporting bunch of guys viewing the sport with such an open mind, make fair and equitable judgements, reading and managing to glean the truth from a myriad of reporter's opinions. Not just the one's that agree with your own.

No wonder you support Alonso.

I remember his outburst at Singapore after qualiying. Cool, temperate and typical of Alonso, "Mummy, their not picking up my dummy."

If my memory serves me correctly Alonso was taken on as Team Leader by McFerrari.. hence the No.1 status

Oblomov

Alonso was taken on as Team Leader by McFerrari.. hence the No.1 status

Only if you read Alonso side of the issue, McLaren's Ron Dennis and Martin Whitfield were categoric in their denial of Alonso's status as number one. both were to be treated as equals, as per norm.

From today's Indenpendent:

Lewis Hamilton has been forced onto the defensive by the barrage of criticism levelled at the Briton in the wake of his performance in Sunday's Japanese Grand Prix. Hamilton had the opportunity at Fuji to strengthen his lead at the top of the drivers' standings and move a step closer to becoming the youngest world champion in Formula One history.

Instead, the 23-year-old suffered a rush of blood to the head that resulted in his lead over Ferrari's Felipe Massa being cut to five points with only the races in China and Brazil now remaining. Hamilton's botched attempt at regaining the lead after he lost from pole position, forcing Kimi Raikkonen off the track and earning a drive-through penalty, paved the way for his sceptics to turn the screw. The debate now is whether Hamilton is again starting to crack under the weight of pressure being exerted on his young shoulders as the title race draws to a close, as he did last year.

Hamilton readily concedes he is finding it difficult to cope with the intense spotlight focused on him at present, particularly at such a critical stage in the championship.

"It's not easy to always say or do the right thing, and when you're constantly being scrutinised it can be particularly difficult," said the McLaren star. Recently, there have been lots of different quotes attributed to me. Sometimes I've said things that have either come out the wrong way or been taken out of context, so people get a different feeling of what I've said when I haven't expressed myself correctly.

"I'm only human, and every now and then people make mistakes.

"Communication is so important in life and some of the things I've said were not meant to harm anyone. I don't feel like I've hurt anyone, and my family makes sure that doesn't happen."

Such a comment recently attributed to Hamilton quoted him as saying he felt he was a better driver than his hero Ayrton Senna.

Issuing a categorical denial, Hamilton added: "I never said that. I definitely wouldn't say it about Ayrton because he's my favourite driver. I think he's the best driver there ever was and, to this day, I still don't believe anyone would beat him. If I could achieve just a small part of what he's achieved, it would be a dream for me."

But it is easy to appreciate when such a remark gets aired in the public domain, Hamilton can be viewed by some as arrogant or over-confident.

In an attempt to vindicate himself, Hamilton added: "I would never say I was better than anyone else. But I am a Formula One driver and all of us have to believe in ourselves to get to where we are. You have to have that belief to go out and win, and that's what helps you strive for a better performance and to achieve more in your life.

"I look at the other drivers and I want to beat them, but I would never say, 'I'm better than you'. I just think all these guys are the best and to be the best I have to beat them. That's how every racing driver sees things."

No wonder Hamilton has wished on occasion he could return to living a normal life, away from his current celebrity status, even though he maintains he has that area of his life "under control".

"I don't see myself as a celebrity," said Hamilton. "I feel I'm the same guy I was before I got to F1 - just more measured, maybe. Of course, you do get people watching you all the time so you have to be careful about what you say or what you do. It's not easy to live like I used to, but I can still do it sometimes.

"You just do it with people you trust and just be smart about it."

Frank Bullitt

It makes sense when you see who he was battling at the 3rd corner, his old pal Alonso.

Steve

Oblomov wrote: »

"It's not easy to always say or do the right thing, and when you're constantly being scrutinised it can be particularly difficult," said the McLaren star. Recently, there have been lots of different quotes attributed to me. Sometimes I've said things that have either come out the wrong way or been taken out of context, so people get a different feeling of what I've said when I haven't expressed myself correctly.

"I'm only human, and every now and then people make mistakes.

In an attempt to vindicate himself, Hamilton added: "I would never say I was better than anyone else. But I am a Formula One driver and all of us have to believe in ourselves to get to where we are. You have to have that belief to go out and win, and that's what helps you strive for a better performance and to achieve more in your life.

"I look at the other drivers and I want to beat them, but I would never say, 'I'm better than you'. I just think all these guys are the best and to be the best I have to beat them. That's how every racing driver sees things."

That reads like a feedback thread from someone banned from AH..:D
Seriously, what did he think was going to happen when he signed up to F1 :rolleyes:.

Jor

I have to question anyone who describes Massas move to retake his place from Hamilton as "the move of the season". I am pretty sure it was a genuine attempt and not a Schumacker-type move, but had Massa just let him through, Massa might now be leading the championship.

There is too much anti-Hamilton stuff going on in this forum. I am cheering for Massa this year, but as a racing fan, I appreciate all good drivers and Hamilton is one of the best.

As far as I know, Alonso was hired by McLaren as F1 Champion, but neither party expected Hamiltion to be so competitive so there was no agreement on driver status within the team. Remember, McLaren have a history of letting their drivers race each other more so than Ferrari in recent years.

On the matter of the penalties, I can see why both LH and FM were punished, although a few years ago, they would have been just put down to "racing incidents", but the decision to penalise Bourdais is inexplicable. Having viewed it several times now, I cannot see what he did wrong. He left plenty of space on the outside of the turn for FM to go by.

joeperry

Jor wrote: »

I cannot see what he did wrong. He left plenty of space on the outside of the turn for FM to go by.

Well i still havent seen any proper angles on this,probably will have to wait for the season review dvd to come out............but from what i can see is that bourdais oversteers after getting up on the inside kerb and clips Massa

EvilMonkey

joeperry wrote: »

Well i still havent seen any proper angles on this,probably will have to wait for the season review dvd to come out............but from what i can see is that bourdais oversteers after getting up on the inside kerb and clips Massa

Theirs a good video of it on the other thread here.

Steve

Jor wrote: »

There is too much anti-Hamilton stuff going on in this forum. I am cheering for Massa this year, but as a racing fan, I appreciate all good drivers and Hamilton is one of the best.

I agree there is a lot of anti Hamilton sentiment here and it may not all be justified, however, I strongly disagree with you saying he's one of the best. He's still a rookie with ambitions beyond his abilities.
Sure he's an excellent driver but he only thinks as far as the next corner and can't seem to adjust his race to allow for the bigger picture. That, imho, is what separates good form great.

cashmni1

SteveC wrote: »

I agree there is a lot of anti Hamilton sentiment here and it may not all be justified, however, I strongly disagree with you saying he's one of the best. He's still a rookie with ambitions beyond his abilities.
Sure he's an excellent driver but he only thinks as far as the next corner and can't seem to adjust his race to allow for the bigger picture. That, imho, is what separates good form great.

This is very truue Steve, but also i think that the great drivers will develop the team accordingly. i.e. MS, Alonso, Senna, R.Kubica.