need advice in mooring

mikhael

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.
I considering to buy a sail boat, basically, it is a trimaran, 8 meters length.
Now I am thinking of place to keep it.
I want to keep it on water constantly, as want to be able to get off shore at any time I wish,
or just stay on the boat for a few days.
I did check the marinas charges around Dublin and it seems to be slightly heavy for my pocket.
Is there any chance to find mooring for low price or free at all?
I cannot bring the boat to the canal, I'm afraid. But what about river?
Is it possible at all or everyone just paying 400euros for meter per annum?
Thanks

Western Cruiser

You can keep it in any public harbour on the Shannon River or Lough Ree or Lough Derg for €40 a month payable to Waterways Ireland.

Only from October to March though. From March to October you can't stay more than 5 days at a time in one particular harbour.

WC

mikhael

thanks, very much, indeed
but not exactly what i am looking for
it would be nice to have the boat close to dublin, one hour would be all right
keep it safe, and not pay those huge charges
electricity and water is not really needed
what can you say about small fishing harbors?
is there any sense to try it or there is some legislation in force, which prevents such things?

Western Cruiser

But the Shannnon is just one hour from Dublin (New Motorways).

Either Carrick on Shannon, Lanesboro or Athlone are all close to lakes suitable for a Cat.

I doubt if you'll get a safe cheap coastal mooring !

Arklow?

WC

mikhael

never been in shannon
probably, its time to travel a little bit further, than m50
will check it out
thank you

Steve

Malahide marina is probably the cheapest marina. After that look at Rush or Skerries for moorings. There's no cheap way to do it near Dublin especially with a tri as most charge per sq. meter.

Tabnabs

Just remember, a mooring has to be vacated in the winter (insurance and common sense with winter storms). Do you have somewhere to keep it out of the water? Also, trimarans are very specialised/unusual, how easy will it be to sell the boat if it proves more trouble than it's worth?

The two best days of ownership are the day you buy and the day you sell a boat! The second hand market is flooded at the moment and there are some real bargains to be had, but the reverse is that plenty of boats are now in this infamous negative equity...

Pigeon Reaper

Clontarf and Poolbeg having moorings but Clontarf is tidal. Sutton also had some moorings but is very exposed and also Tidal. Skerries is nice and has deep water. Further south you have Wicklow sailing club which has a few swinging moorings. You'll need somewhere to haul out in winter is staying on a mooring as stated above. A trimaran is a rare beast in these waters so I'd think hard before commiting to one.

mikhael

thank you, guys
i will do some research on this matter
will inform you on results

Tabnabs

Pigeon Reaper wrote: »

Skerries is nice and has deep water.

Skerries in a Northerly...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTLTfVqk7rI

JamesM

As far as I know, there are no moorings south of Dublin. Maybe Northside, Rush or Rogerstown.
I have a 32ft Cat on Lough Derg - less than 2 hours to Killaloe - early in the morning. Lough Ree is probably closer. The lakes are quite large and much safer if you don't have much experience. Are you looking at that Telstar that was for sale recently - I think that it is on Lough Derg. I took a lump out of it about 30 years ago when it was moored in Garrykennedy.
Cats and Tris are great - faster and more accommodation.
Jim.

noby

Dyflin wrote: »

Skerries in a Northerly...

Is that a fin-keel? Did the mooring drag? I presume it wasn't always that close to shore.

Tabnabs

From what I heard from a local, it was a new (to owner) baveria fin keeler. It was one of a number of boats that dragged or broke their moorings on that day early last Sept in Skerries. Most of the harbours and ports along the east coast are very exposed in a northly/north easterly.

noby

Ouch.

Pigeon Reaper

The moral of this is to make damn sure you're happy with your mooring. Clontarf is exposed in a north easterly gale too.

Spinnaker

Consider Blessington Sailing Club. About an hour from the city center maximum.

Note there arent any lifting facilities and I can't remember if there are floating moorings.

Cats - Hobie 16s and Dart18s - are popular there. Boats are stored on the lake edge

www.blsc.ie

JamesM

Spinnaker wrote: »

Consider Blessington Sailing Club. About an hour from the city center maximum.

Note there arent any lifting facilities and I can't remember if there are floating moorings.

Cats - Hobie 16s and Dart18s - are popular there. Boats are stored on the lake edge

www.blsc.ie

Only a few moorings allowed in Blessington - and only for the smaller cruisers.
There are about 40 catamarans, mainly Dart 16 & 18, Spitfires and Formula 18.
Jim.

mikhael

Dyflin wrote: »

Skerries in a Northerly...

what would you say, will insurance company cover such damage?

mikhael

JamesM wrote: »

As far as I know, there are no moorings south of Dublin. Maybe Northside, Rush or Rogerstown.
I have a 32ft Cat on Lough Derg - less than 2 hours to Killaloe - early in the morning. Lough Ree is probably closer. The lakes are quite large and much safer if you don't have much experience. Are you looking at that Telstar that was for sale recently - I think that it is on Lough Derg. I took a lump out of it about 30 years ago when it was moored in Garrykennedy.
Cats and Tris are great - faster and more accommodation.
Jim.

thank for the reply
yes, it is a telstar advertised recently, i still did not buy it
what do you think, there are few boats in the Howth harbor, and they are not at the club mooring, neither at the commercial harbor. They are on ancor at the middle of water just against the life station. is that legal?
i really want to buy that telstar, but i cannot afford the proper mooring in the club, too expensive.

JamesM

I don't know Howth well, but usually moorings like that are regulated by a harbour authority. You would not be able to just drop a mooring in the harbour.
Sutton Creek has boats on moorings, but not very sheltered. Rogerstown is the only other place I can think of. There might be a shallow sheltered mooring available there.
Jim.

Tabnabs

mikhael wrote: »

what would you say, will insurance company cover such damage?

The owness would be on whomever laid the moorings to prove that they were laid to a sufficient standard, serviced and renewed regularly. As I said earlier, that insurance will finish at the end of September for any boat on swinging moorings.

My earnest recommendation is not to buy any boat until you have secured (100%) a place to keep it in Dublin beforehand.

mikhael

Dyflin wrote: »

My earnest recommendation is not to buy any boat until you have secured (100%) a place to keep it in Dublin beforehand.

thanks
thats what i want to do first
there is only one problem, i am very new in that waters
and i know absolutely nothing
so, guys, please, keep writing
i am all attention and checking and bookmarking every link you providing
thank you, guys, indeed

Tabnabs

Do you absolutely have to own a boat at this stage? Would it be more preferable to join something like Sailing in Dublin and get a feel for sailing and maintaining a boat and all the ancillary equipment as well as kitting yourself out for being on the water (easy to spend a grand on good sailing gear, oil skins, boots, thermals, etc. etc.)?

They keep one of their boats on a swinging mooring in Dun Laoghaire and you would get an idea of what that's like as opposed to a marina or trailer sailing.

mikhael

well
i have two boys, who will pretty soon try to compete with their friends, who is cooler.
so i want to bring them to the boat and replace with sailing all of the other street pleasures.
it is the main reason.
but there is a secondary one,
i did a commercial fishing for number of years and just missed the sea very much by now.
you know, i just want to own a boat, like a big toy, really.
i can go without the boat and will be fine for sure.
so, it is not necessary, but even understanding of it does not make me to want it less
and there is another thing, right now i have some money to spend, and i am not sure, that i will have it at later stage.
and training, i will be able to get a really good training from my former skipper, he is a real pro in sailing.

JamesM

Buy a second-hand catamaran in Blessington for a few grand and join the Club. The boys will love the speed of the cat. Other kids in the Club take out their parents cats on their own a lot of the time and have a ball. Check out www.blsc.ie
Jim.

mcgratheoin

mikhael wrote: »

what do you think, there are few boats in the Howth harbor, and they are not at the club mooring, neither at the commercial harbor. They are on ancor at the middle of water just against the life station. is that legal?

They are members of the Howth Sailing & Boating club here. It'll be difficult enough to get a spot for that Telstar near Dublin. You may be able to pick up somewhere in Arklow, or perhaps on the extension to the moorings in Dun Laoghaire - the main problem with it is that it won't fit in a standard monohull berth. You can easily get winter moorings in Howth Marina as many of the boats there are taken out from September on so if you don't have a trailer or space to put it ashore you can always berth it there.

mikhael

mcgratheoin wrote: »

They are members of the Howth Sailing & Boating club here. It'll be difficult enough to get a spot for that Telstar near D..........r space to put it ashore you can always berth it there.

thanks, very much

miss no stars

Not all of them are howth boating club members - most of them are howth yacht club members. The boots on the moorings have to be taken out of the water for the winter so it won't work year round. http://hyc.ie/marina/marineCharges.asp is a link to the marina in Howth, while you may be able to keep it on the marina during the winter, you won't get a spot during the year as there's a long waiting list and members take priority.

bmoregan

I havn't checked the marina rates but would Carlingford be an option ?

Also I've been told in the past that the in-harbour moorings owned by the DMYC are covered by insurance year-round (but obvoiusly dont take my word for it). As mentioned already, they might not be able to fit an 8-metre tri anyway.

Steve

bmoregan wrote: »

Also I've been told in the past that the in-harbour moorings owned by the DMYC are covered by insurance year-round (but obvoiusly dont take my word for it). As mentioned already, they might not be able to fit an 8-metre tri anyway.

None of the moorings in the DM would be suitable for a tri anyway, certainly not the inner (coal harbour) ones, they're too close together.

Might be worth asking about the new remote bit of the DL marina though, that might have cheap rates.