Non Nationals, Refugee's and the Budget.

ArseBurger

not yet wrote: »

Listen pal you waffle all you like with your p.c crap I'm telling you from first hand experience,I have a sister and a friend who work for welfare and they are blown away by how tuned into the benefit trail refugees are. besides having rent paid by the HSE,weekly welfare payment, childrens allowance, they know all the tricks in the book.

On the otherhand we do have some genuine refugees here and they sould be looked after and intergrated into Ireland while the rest should be fu*cked off home. the problem is finding a system thats fair and open in doing this.

Nice bit of sensationalist hearsay there. (are you a Sinn Fein slogan writer?) Now, back to the source - official numbers anyone?

not yet

Mena wrote: »

Yep, I got two free cars when I arrived, and a fat mortgage too. They threw some wimmins at me at the same time but I had too much to carry at that point.

So you came here originaly as a refugee....

Claire121

KEYBOARD POO POO!! I lived in new yourk for a few years and i could spot an irishman a mile away and the same vice versa. To the extent i might add that i even have walked across grand centrel station locked eyes with another paddy and we gave each other a big "how ya gettin on". So why dont you go float off on your political correct cloud and go save the world somwehere else, how is the man by saying that being racsit??????. Its very easy spot somewhon who is Irish. you say your small part Italian, well that now all of our fault you look small part Italain then????

No. You just don't get it. You spotted the typical paddy. There might have been another ten Irishmen there who you didn't spot. Because they didn't look like whatever your idea of Irish is. That's the point I'm making. I'm the least PC person in the world, I just find this attitude bordering on ridiculous. Would you have spotted Colin Farrell as an Irishman in Grand Central (before he was famous)? I doubt it.

I'm not offended - as a foreign looking person in Ireland, I'm used to idiotic comments. But it's just silly and arrogant to think you can really know exactly who is Irish and who isn't. Your comment about it being your fault I look Italian, that's just laughable. I know I look Italian, and I'd much rather that than be pasty skinned and freckly. But I AM Irish, and any assumptions you'd make would be wrong. My 2 best guy friends are very dark haired and Spanish looking, yet are totally Irish as far as they know. You'd probably be wrong about them too. This Irish obsession with putting people in boxes is just strange.

meditraitor

CiaranC wrote: »

Id have a problem with that too, if it actually happened. :rolleyes:

You cant claim the dole without two years PRSI contributions in this country.

How many times?

You cannot claim the dole but you are intitled to claim benefits without ever working in the state!

Also a small thing like giving non-nationals childrens allowances for kids not in the state.
Stop this fucking stupidity now

supermouse

CiaranC wrote: »

Id have a problem with that too, if it actually happened. :rolleyes:

You cant claim the dole without two years PRSI contributions in this country.

How many times?

ok so maybe the ''dole'' was the wrong word, pardon me, im not really into the social welfare slang!

However they do receive handouts to beat the band - whatever name you want to put on it they're sponging off us and doing absolutly nothing for our country in return.

Well, apart from giving us a whole new fashion craze... trucker hats backwards and the waist of their jeans around their knees :)

Slow Motion

Claire121 wrote: »

No. You just don't get it. You spotted the typical paddy. There might have been another ten Irishmen there who you didn't spot. Because they didn't look like whatever your idea of Irish is. That's the point I'm making. I'm the least PC person in the world, I just find this attitude bordering on ridiculous. Would you have spotted Colin Farrell as an Irishman in Grand Central (before he was famous)? I doubt it.

I'm not offended - as a foreign looking person in Ireland, I'm used to idiotic comments. But it's just silly and arrogant to think you can really know exactly who is Irish and who isn't. Your comment about it being your fault I look Italian, that's just laughable. I know I look Italian, and I'd much rather that than be pasty skinned and freckly. But I AM Irish, and any assumptions you'd make would be wrong. My 2 best guy friends are very dark haired and Spanish looking, yet are totally Irish as far as they know. You'd probably be wrong about them too. This Irish obsession with putting people in boxes is just strange.

So you look Italian, you have Italian blood, you don't want to look pasty skinned and freckly (Irish by your post) but would be insulted if someone took you for Italian!





BTW I don't have pasty skin or freckles, but I do look Irish

javaboy

Claire121 wrote: »

But I AM Irish, and any assumptions you'd make would be wrong. My 2 best guy friends are very dark haired and Spanish looking, yet are totally Irish as far as they know. You'd probably be wrong about them too.

Yes but the point is if you grabbed a hundred people off the streets in Ireland and asked him to say which ones are Irish or not, he'd get the majority of them right.

This Irish obsession with putting people in boxes is just strange.

Lots of other countries bury their dead in coffins. It's not strictly an Irish thing. That's just racist.

ArseBurger

supermouse wrote: »

ok so maybe the ''dole'' was the wrong word, pardon me, im not really into the social welfare slang!

However they do receive handouts to beat the band - whatever name you want to put on it they're sponging off us and doing absolutly nothing for our country in return.

Well, apart from giving us a whole new fashion craze... trucker hats backwards and the waist of their jeans around their knees :)

Ah - we, the cosmopolitan Irish.

Man I can't wait to get out of this country.

not yet

ArseBurger wrote: »

Nice bit of sensationalist hearsay there. (are you a Sinn Fein slogan writer?) Now, back to the source - official numbers anyone?

There's just no making a point with some people. why the fu*k do people look for offcial ''numbers'' the dogs on the street in working class areas see whats happening.

ArseBurger

not yet wrote: »

There's just no making a point with some people. why the fu*k do people look for offcial ''numbers'' the dogs on the street in working class areas see whats happening.

Because over 98% of people collecting social welfare and payouts from the Irish government are Irish. Only 0.003% are non nationals.

dodgyme

not yet wrote: »

There's just no making a point with some people. why the fu*k do people look for offcial ''numbers'' the dogs on the street in working class areas see whats happening.

true but just for reference this was discussed before on boards:

Black immigrants are nine times more likely than white Irish nationals to be unemployed, a new survey has found.

The study of the experience of immigrants in the Irish labour market, published by the Economic and Social Research Institute (ESRI)

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Why has this not been addressed by the Dept of Welfare/irish government immigration policy? so we dont need to start means testing over 70's on medicals cards etc

Claire121

So you look Italian, you have Italian blood, you don't want to look pasty skinned and freckly (Irish by your post) but would be insulted if someone took you for Italian!

No. Not insulted. That is not my point! I'm simply saying if you made assumptions about me based on my appearance, you'd be wrong! And the same goes for a lot of other Irish people I know.

CiaranC

Slow Motion wrote: »

BTW I don't have pasty skin or freckles, but I do look Irish

How do you look Irish as opposed to say, Scottish or Welsh? What a load of rubbish.

stevoman

Claire121 wrote: »

That's the point I'm making. I'm the least PC person in the world, I just find this attitude bordering on ridiculous. Would you have spotted Colin Farrell as an Irishman in Grand Central (before he was famous)? I doubt it.

I know I look Italian, and I'd much rather that than be pasty skinned and freckly.

So let me get this right. your annoyed becuase people generalise what irish people look like, yet here you say your glad your not pale skinned and frekly.

Cookie_Monster

ArseBurger wrote: »

Because over 98% of people collecting social welfare and payouts from the Irish government are Irish. Only 0.003% are non nationals.

98% +0.003% = 98.003%

WTF are the rest of them?

Slow Motion

CiaranC wrote: »

How do you look Irish as opposed to say, Scottish or Welsh? What a load of rubbish.

If you saw me on the street your would know............Oh wait, you wouldn't, but most people would!

Cookie_Monster

CiaranC wrote: »

How do you look Irish as opposed to say, Scottish or Welsh? What a load of rubbish.

Maybe he doesn't look pissed off or angry all the time:D

CiaranC

ArseBurger wrote: »

Because over 98% of people collecting social welfare and payouts from the Irish government are Irish. Only 0.003% are non nationals.

Stop bringing the facts into it, youll upset the ignorant, racist bigots who make up AH.

Claire121

How do you look Irish as opposed to say, Scottish or Welsh? What a load of rubbish.

Or English or American or Canadian or Australian or South African or French or German or Danish...........

ArseBurger

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

98% +0.003% = 98.003%

WTF are the rest of them?

*sigh* That's the point. Without backup sources throwing out any old numbers is a valid as the next mans blurb.

CiaranC

Best to just use 'facts' you heard from a fella who told a fella down the pub to reinforce your own ignorant assumptions I say. All non-nationals get a free house, and a few thousand euro of benefits from the minute they arrive here. Its true!

TheDude2008

god this forum is full od left wing soft touch liberals. we need to cut off social welfare to all non irish people if they are on it for more than 1 month.

not yet

ArseBurger wrote: »

Because over 98% of people collecting social welfare and payouts from the Irish government are Irish. Only 0.003% are non nationals.

You sad deluded fool. so what are the balance doing??? 98 + 0.003 = ?

The last estimate was that 56000 ''refugees'' plus their dependants were on some type of welfare payment.............fu*ck this do you know what,live in your little perfect world.

Cookie_Monster

ArseBurger wrote: »

*sigh* That's the point. Without backup sources throwing out any old numbers is a valid as the next mans blurb.

yeah but everything you read on the interwebs is true, 87% of ppl know that

Savman

I knew a guy, as Irish as the rain, who boasted to me time and time again about how he was on the dole for 17 years. He'd keep getting sent to job interviews and either missing them or just answering madcap answers so the job interviewer would think he was a whacko. He thought this was gas. He also thought it was gas that at the time I was working like a spa and he was getting money for doing nothing. This was before the foreign invasion.

In old Ireland of the Roddy Doyle era, we got a little giggle out of fellas like this, 'fair play' we'd say, "sure yer only tryin ta get by".

Twas all grand til the Nigerianos did the same thing, and the Polaroids took all the jobs nobody wanted anyway and next of all there's national uproar. Yes it's racism, but not agains skin colour or nationality. We all know at the end of the day, the oirish will drink with anyone if they are buying the round, we just don't like outsiders. Any Dub who's walked into a Culchie bar knows this feeling. Corkians hate the Dubs, Mullaghs hate the Dubs, Dubs hate the Brits, Darndale hates Coolock blah blah blah.

Bring on the recession I say, get a little normality back to this poxy island. Eeejits buying €500k gaffs in [insert random middle-of-nowhere bogger town murdered by urban sprawl here] cos they were advertised as "only 1hr commute from Dublin". **** off.:rolleyes:

not yet

TheDude2008 wrote: »

god this forum is full od left wing soft touch liberals. we need to cut off social welfare to all non irish people if they are on it for more than 1 month.

At last a voice of reason......

javaboy

not yet wrote: »

<SNIP>;) . so what are the balance doing??? 98 + 0.003 = ?

He gave those numbers on purpose. The point is you can make up statistics and repeat hearsay etc. It all amounts to nothing without evidence.

The last estimate was that 56000 ''refugees'' plus their dependants were on some type of welfare payment.............fu*ck this do you know what,live in your little perfect world.

Finally some numbers. Any source for them?

ArseBurger

not yet wrote: »

You sad deluded fool. so what are the balance doing??? 98 + 0.003 = ?

The last estimate was that 56000 ''refugees'' plus their dependants were on some type of welfare payment.............fu*ck this do you know what,live in your little perfect world.

You're wrong - The last estimate was that 1200''refugees'' plus their dependants were on some type of welfare payment.

CiaranC

TheDude2008 wrote: »

god this forum is full od left wing soft touch liberals. we need to cut off social welfare to all non irish people if they are on it for more than 1 month.

Whos a soft touch? Id like to have the likes of you rounded up and deported. Maybe beaten a bit on the way out

Mena

TheDude2008 wrote: »

god this forum is full od left wing soft touch liberals. we need to cut off social welfare to all non irish people if they are on it for more than 1 month.

So you expect them to do as legally obliged, and pay their taxes, and then if the worst happens, you just want to cut them off?

ArseBurger

TheDude2008 wrote: »

god this forum is full od left wing soft touch liberals. we need to cut off social welfare to all non irish people if they are on it for more than 1 month.

Don't restrict it to non Irish people. Means test it based upon tax and PRSI contributions and apply to Irish citizens also. Make it nationality independent to make it fair. Tax payers contribute to the country - spongers don't. Irrelevant of the country stamped on their passport.

CiaranC

ArseBurger wrote: »

You're wrong - The last estimate was that 1200''refugees'' plus their dependants were on some type of welfare payment.

Actually, the number is -800

Degsy

javaboy wrote: »

He gave those numbers on purpose. The point is you can make up statistics and repeat hearsay etc. It all amounts to nothing without evidence.


Finally some numbers. Any source for them?

Stated Government policy and Irish immigration law prohibits the payment of welfare benefits to non-EU nationals, other than those granted refugee status. That, in effect, means the maximum number of Nigerians eligible to claim welfare benefits here is 150.

A massive number of Nigerians have immigrated illegally to Ireland. The previous Minister for Justice stated that no amnesty was to be granted to these people, yet a scheme was designed to allow them remain in Ireland called the IBC/05 scheme.

This scheme granted the right of full welfare benefits to these illegal immigrants.

Those who came to Ireland illegally may, if they so choose, claim unemployment and rental accommodation payments and all other welfare benefits including medical cards.

In effect, the scheme created a new category of immigrant, one that has no lawful basis. Thousands of illegal Nigerian immigrants have never worked in Ireland, yet the Irish taxpayer has to pay for them for the rest of their natural lives.

The IBC/05 scheme was grafted on to existing immigration law, even though no legislation for the provision of welfare benefits to illegal immigrants exists. No Bill to accommodate it was brought before the Oireachtas and no vote on this scheme was ever taken even though it requires a massive diversion of publicly raised funds destined for other purposes and voted on by Dail Eireann.

The scheme was implemented in January 2005. More illegal immigrants were granted leave to remain here under this scheme then than the combined total of legal immigrants granted work permits from non-EU countries over the past four years.

Some 23,178 Nigerians are registered with the Department of social welfare. How is this number possible?

Extrapolating from the figures published last week Nigerians alone are receiving a minimum of €100m in benefits per year. This figure is likely much higher.

ArseBurger

CiaranC wrote: »

Actually, the number is -800

My apologies - you're correct.

not yet

javaboy wrote: »

He gave those numbers on purpose. The point is you can make up statistics and repeat hearsay etc. It all amounts to nothing without evidence.



Finally some numbers. Any source for them?

Firstly the point with the numbers above is that they dont add up....

The figures I gave were from a sunday independent article in feb 2006

Davei141

Claire121 wrote: »

Or English or American or Canadian or Australian or South African or French or German or Danish...........

Well he doesn't look English because he doesn't have tea and a crumpets in his hand.
He doesnt look american because he doesn't have them freaky big heads the americans have from eating all their processed supercows.
He doesnt look canadian because hes not wearing a t shirt with a moose on it.
He doesnt look Australian because he isnt playing knifey spooney.
He doesnt look south african because his head isnt chiseled from granite.
He doesnt look french because he doesnt have cheese stuck in his teeth.
He doesnt look german because hes not eating a big sausage.
Last but not least, he doesnt look danish because hes not running away from a muslim mob.

Mena

not yet wrote: »

Firstly the point with the numbers above is that they dont add up....

The figures I gave were from a sunday independent article in feb 2006

Link it please.

not yet

ArseBurger wrote: »

You're wrong - The last estimate was that 1200''refugees'' plus their dependants were on some type of welfare payment.

Sweet jesus are you winding me up...........if you really believe 1,200 refugees are claiming benefits you need to lay down.

topper75

The other 1.997% are in a box at the back of the warehouse -

"John.."
"Yeah..."
"Go down and get the box for this lady will you?"

CiaranC

Degsy wrote: »

Stated Government policy and Irish immigration law prohibits the payment of welfare benefits to non-EU nationals, other than those granted refugee status. That, in effect, means the maximum number of Nigerians eligible to claim welfare benefits here is 150.

A massive number of Nigerians have immigrated illegally to Ireland. The previous Minister for Justice stated that no amnesty was to be granted to these people, yet a scheme was designed to allow them remain in Ireland called the IBC/05 scheme.

This scheme granted the right of full welfare benefits to these illegal immigrants.

Those who came to Ireland illegally may, if they so choose, claim unemployment and rental accommodation payments and all other welfare benefits including medical cards.

In effect, the scheme created a new category of immigrant, one that has no lawful basis. Thousands of illegal Nigerian immigrants have never worked in Ireland, yet the Irish taxpayer has to pay for them for the rest of their natural lives.

The IBC/05 scheme was grafted on to existing immigration law, even though no legislation for the provision of welfare benefits to illegal immigrants exists. No Bill to accommodate it was brought before the Oireachtas and no vote on this scheme was ever taken even though it requires a massive diversion of publicly raised funds destined for other purposes and voted on by Dail Eireann.

The scheme was implemented in January 2005. More illegal immigrants were granted leave to remain here under this scheme then than the combined total of legal immigrants granted work permits from non-EU countries over the past four years.

Some 23,178 Nigerians are registered with the Department of social welfare. How is this number possible?

Extrapolating from the figures published last week Nigerians alone are receiving a minimum of €100m in benefits per year. This figure is likely much higher.

Your links dont work...

ArseBurger

not yet wrote: »

Firstly the point with the numbers above is that they dont add up....

That's the point of the point.

Without a valid provable source for any information and figures - any numbers that I make up irrelevant of them not adding up to 100% are just as valid as yours in such an argument.

Without proof, what you say is conjecture and hearsay.

11 times out of 10.

not yet

Mena wrote: »

Link it please.

Could you link me to every piece you ever read in a paper.

CiaranC

not yet wrote: »

Sweet jesus are you winding me up...........if you really believe 1,200 refugees are claiming benefits you need to lay down.

Well give us the correct numbers, with verifiable sources then....

ArseBurger

not yet wrote: »

Sweet jesus are you winding me up...........if you really believe 1,200 refugees are claiming benefits you need to lay down.

And this folks, is the reason we have people like Mary Lou 'representing' us.

ArseBurger

not yet wrote: »

Could you link me to every piece you ever read in a paper.

Only if using it as a quantifiable source of information.

javaboy

not yet wrote: »

Firstly the point with the numbers above is that they dont add up....

What ArseBurger said.

ArseBurger wrote: »

That's the point of the point.

Without a valid provable source for any information and figures - any numbers that I make up irrelevant of them not adding up to 100% are just as valid as yours in such an argument.

Without proof, what you say is conjecture and hearsay.

11 times out of 10.

MizzLolly

If a person cannot legally work, how do you suppose they survive without recieving aid from the government?


There are two or three posters here who've genuinely made me laugh!

The ignorance makes me wonder are the ''oooh the refugees are taking all our stuffs'' guys posting simply for the attention?!

not yet

How sad.........

You must have a real resentment towards Mary lou, what.... did she steal you rattle.

Mena

not yet wrote: »

Could you link me to every piece you ever read in a paper.

If I was going to present it as fact, then yes.

ArseBurger

MizzLolly wrote: »

The ignorance makes me wonder are the ''oooh the refugees are taking all our stuffs'' guys posting simply for the attention?!

It's either that or take their knuckles off the ground and wave for attention.