The AH Budget discussion thread.

ven0m

Sengoku79 wrote: »

From July this year

http://www.herald.ie/national-news/83642bn-duty-loophole-to-remain-for-developers-1428998.html

So effectively not only are we keeping the Govt afloat, we are paying for their mates to rake it in.

had you been RTDH quoting this from the herald, you'd be hearing cries about your tinfoil hat LOL

Darragh29

As his tormentor once said, "I hereby wash my hands of this thread"...!

ven0m

Darragh29 wrote: »

As his tormentor once said, "I hereby wash my hands of this thread"...!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Darragh29

Oops, wrong thread!!! :rolleyes:

SEPT 23 1989

Sengoku79 wrote: »

From July this year

http://www.herald.ie/national-news/83642bn-duty-loophole-to-remain-for-developers-1428998.html

So effectively not only are we keeping the Govt afloat, we are paying for their mates to rake it in.

well they sorted out their money lending friends so do you really think they would leave their building buddies out in the cold

so time after time we just sit here doing nothing and they are laughing at us

in countries like the uk or france when the government fcuks over its citizens the peolple revolt eg poll tax Paris 68

ionapaul

Could another person please explain to me what all the 'the other shower are just as bad' or 'FG forced us to re-elect FF!' actually means? Please explain the terrible job Enda Kenny et al did the last time he was Taoiseach that allows people to believe that FG would be as bad / worse (is this possible?) than FF and their CIF / developers cronies!!!! How can the devil you know be worse than the devil you don't in this case? And I don't want to hear any ****e about 'ah well, Kenny just isn't very charismatic...not like Charlie and Bertie were, the legends' 'cause I don't care how charismatic / slimy a leader is, I just want them to do a good job and try to remain uncorrupt and decent!

We got shafted by this budget, an Emergency Budget will probably come in a few months time (tax revenue projections are rediculously over-generous) and we'll get shafted again - WE DESERVE IT FOR CONTINUALLY RE-ELECTING A PARTY WHERE CORRUPTION IS TOLERATED AND WHERE CORRUPTION IS EVIDENT FROM THE LOWEST TO THE HIGHEST LEVELS; remember, you and I don't matter to FF except at election time.

JackKelly

Whew, just went through all 27 pages.

I will happily be paying the ten euro to get as far away from this country as possible once I graduate.

The increase in college registration is insane. The registration fee is there to cover facilities availible to the student i.e. Health Service, Student Union etc.

If they want to reintroduce college fee's fair enough, but increasing the registration is only a measure to try and keep the colleges happy. Bit mad if you ask me.

javaboy

ionapaul wrote: »

Could another person please explain to me what all the 'the other shower are just as bad' or 'FG forced us to re-elect FF!' actually means? Please explain the terrible job Enda Kenny et al did the last time he was Taoiseach that allows people to believe that FG would be as bad / worse (is this possible?) than FF and their CIF / developers cronies!!!! How can the devil you know be worse than the devil you don't in this case? And I don't want to hear any ****e about 'ah well, Kenny just isn't very charismatic...not like Charlie and Bertie were, the legends' 'cause I don't care how charismatic / slimy a leader is, I just want them to do a good job and try to remain uncorrupt and decent!

+1. All this crap about Enda Kenny +co. being boring gets on my nerves. Who gives a damn?

ZygOte

ionapaul wrote: »

Could another person please explain to me what all the 'the other shower are just as bad' or 'FG forced us to re-elect FF!' actually means? Please explain the terrible job Enda Kenny et al did the last time he was Taoiseach that allows people to believe that FG would be as bad / worse (is this possible?) than FF and their CIF / developers cronies!!!! How can the devil you know be worse than the devil you don't in this case? And I don't want to hear any ****e about 'ah well, Kenny just isn't very charismatic...not like Charlie and Bertie were, the legends' 'cause I don't care how charismatic / slimy a leader is, I just want them to do a good job and try to remain uncorrupt and decent!

We got shafted by this budget, an Emergency Budget will probably come in a few months time (tax revenue projections are rediculously over-generous) and we'll get shafted again - WE DESERVE IT FOR CONTINUALLY RE-ELECTING A PARTY WHERE CORRUPTION IS TOLERATED AND WHERE CORRUPTION IS EVIDENT FROM THE LOWEST TO THE HIGHEST LEVELS; remember, you and I don't matter to FF except at election time.

+1 but "the last time he was Taoiseach" am i missing years of my life? i dont remember that ever happening?

blackbox

ionapaul wrote: »

How can the devil you know be worse than the devil you don't in this case? And I don't want to hear any ****e about 'ah well, Kenny just isn't very charismatic...not like Charlie and Bertie were, the legends' 'cause I don't care how charismatic / slimy a leader is, I just want them to do a good job and try to remain uncorrupt and decent!

It's not just that he lacks charisma - he's a fool.

Surely you heard the "populist nonsense" story last week.

BTW Mary Harney should resign because this budget is so far from the principles and vision of the PDs.



Unfortunately there is no credible alternative to FF (yet).

javaboy

blackbox wrote: »

It's not just that he lacks charisma - he's a fool.

Surely you heard the "populist nonsense" story last week.

BTW Mary Harney should resign because this budget is so far from the principles and vision of the PDs.



Unfortunately there is no credible alternative to FF (yet).

I assume you're talking about the 5% pay cut? In fairness to him, he never tried to portray it as anything more than a symbolic gesture or in more cynical language, a publicity stunt.

The ministers are taking a 10% pay cut in the budget. That's not really any different to Inda Kinny's stunt imo. A smokescreen tactic so they can say "We're all in it together".

Dyr

So to sum this budget up:

Free cake for builders and bankers
Cake tax for everyone else

amacachi

ven0m wrote: »

WTF???

Do YOU even understand HOW you get OUT OF A RECESSION, or position to take advantage once it stems? you KEEP money available to spend in an economy, not remove it from it in such extremes.

What I said has nothing to do with unions (self serving evil bastards of things that they are!).

If it were as easy as that we'd never be in a recession for more than a few weeks :P I think we agree on quite a bit, the best thing the government could do now is spend spend spend, but 15 years of not putting any money aside and the EU not allowing more than a certain amount in deficit makes that difficult.
Add to that the years of pandering to certain unions and letting them get too strong and we have no chance to sort things out down that road.

ionapaul

ZygOte wrote: »

+1 but "the last time he was Taoiseach" am i missing years of my life? i dont remember that ever happening?

That was intentional I mean, if 'FG / Enda Kenny are a worse shower than FF' is the reason we keep returning FF to power, surely people are comparing Enda Kenny's time as Taoiseach to Bertie / Brian's, right? I'm not a FG supporter at all, but how exactly can he be worse if he hasn't been Taoiseach yet or won tens (hundreds?) of thousands of euro 'on the horses' like that corrupt former leader.

One thing I'd like to roll back on a little - I shouldn't have said that corruption is evident from the top to the bottom in FF; I'm sure the majority of members of the party are fairly decent folk. It is those that have had a grip on power there over the past few decades that have the strong stench of corruption about them - FF would needed to be cleansed of this old guard before I could ever even give them my lowest preference. The Greens too, how they agreed to the budget and the sub-prime provision I'll never know.

Run_to_da_hills

javaboy wrote: »

I think the means testing is long overdue. I haven't seen the actual threshold used so it could be unfair but the idea makes sense. I mean why should a financially comfortable 75 year old with a decent pension income get free medical care? It doesn't make any sense.

I will hold this current government responsible for the premature deaths of thousands of old age pensioners in this country.

Many elderly were brought up during the war era when they lived through an time when families saved and skimped on everything in daily life from food vouchers, switching off lights, even cutting down on heating, they repaired everything instead of replacing. My 86Yo father is an example.

My father is privileged that he still has a family and a GP that he knows as a personal friend to make sure he takes his prescriptions. There are thousands of elderly that are on their own who have no family or GP connections. Their health is now in serious jeopardy because they are in danger of skimping on their vital prescriptions such as warfrin and heart medication to save a few cents. Brian Lenihan you will have blood on your hands.

Cookie_Monster

Seemingly this €10 tax on flights is not payable on planes with less than 20 seats.

So the super rich jet set don't have to pay it!

FF looking out for their friends once again:mad:

Cookie_Monster

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I will hold this current government responsible for the premature deaths of thousands of old age pensioners in this country.

Many elderly were brought up during the war era when they lived through an time when families saved and skimped on everything in daily life from food vouchers, switching off lights, even cutting down on heating, they repaired everything instead of replacing. My 86Yo father is an example.

My father is privileged that he still has a family and a GP that he knows as a personal friend to make sure he takes his prescriptions. There are thousands of elderly that are on their own who have no family or GP connections. Their health is now in serious jeopardy because they are in danger of skimping on their vital prescriptions such as warfrin and heart medication to save a few cents. Brian Lenihan you will have blood on your hands.

For once I, and I think many others, agree with you fully and whole heartidly

SimpleSam06

TimAy wrote: »

I will happily be paying the ten euro to get as far away from this country as possible once I graduate.

But where will you go?

Cookie_Monster

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

But where will you go?

Cark, boy:D

gazzer

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

For once I, and I think many others, agree with you fully and whole heartidly

I think when we look back in years to come we will realise what a complete and utter balls up this and the previous government have made of our country. All those years of the so called Celtic Tiger and we havnt got a pot to piss in. People still dying on hospital trolleys and now just because people might have been sensible and saved money for their old age they might now lose their medical cards. I swear to god if I bumped into Bertie Ahern I would not be responsible for my actions.

Dyr

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I will hold this current government responsible for the premature deaths of thousands of old age pensioners in this country.

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In all fairness the free-benefits-for-all craze was just fianna fail using our money to buy votes, if the fogeys didnt see that coming then they need medical card glasses

Run_to_da_hills

Bambi wrote: »

In all fairness the free-benefits-for-all craze was just fianna fail using our money to buy votes, if the fogeys didnt see that coming then they need medical card glasses

Next that will go will be the pensioners free travel, it will be means tested and implicated through a "smart card" system.

Steve

gazzer wrote: »

People still dying on hospital trolleys and now just because people might have been sensible and saved money for their old age they might now lose their medical cards

I agree, they are the same people who gave a lifetime of income and all the other taxes to the state who are now just going to abandon them.
How many people have worked hard (for the state) and planned their retirement, picked their retirement age, bought their retirement home - all safe in the knowledge that if they got sick then they were covered by the state that they have given most of their lifetime earnings to in taxes.

It's sickening.

Dyr

Again that was invented by haughey to buy some OAP votes.

Im all for free fogey transport but the midicil card should be means linked

ScumLord

I don't know, could be worse. At least booze didn't go up.

I haven't really listened to any analysis of the budget yet but it didn't seem all that bad. I'll reserve judgement while I sift through all the biased, anti anything that crowd do bullpap.

Prof.Badass

Bambi wrote: »

Again that was invented by haughey to buy some OAP votes.

Im all for free fogey transport but the midicil card should be means linked

why? if someone works hard all their life and pays taxes, then they're just as entitled to benifits as someone who scrapes through life on minium wage.

honestly.old people have almost no income. You're saying we should punish those that were wise enough to save up for their retirement?

socialism is not just for the poor!

genericgoon

The Government has been trying to run a welfare state on the cheap for so long and since they've lost the golden egg of the property boom this is being exposed horribly for all to see. No more pretending we can have a fully functioning welfare state with a low tax regime (tax which is often misspent by our incompetent politician with their myopic and stupid pet projects. Even the good ideas they implement nearly always end up getting screwed up) Its time to just take the bullet and go the privatisation route or buck up and face the fact that if we want a truly functioning publicly funded health/education/welfare etc system then we're going to have to pay more tax.

However, since our politicians are for the most part incompetent buffoons and are supported by a civil service which doesn't seem to know the meaning of the words 'value for money', I'd rather the money was left in the hands of normal people. At least then people who know what they're doing won't have to pay for the incompentencies of others.

Run_to_da_hills

ScumLord wrote: »

I don't know, could be worse. At least booze didn't go up.

It didn't go up but you can be fined €140 on the spot if you take to much of it. :eek:

P_1

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

It didn't go up but you can be fined €140 on the spot if you take to much of it. :eek:

And you were doing so well... :eek::pac:

jos28

They did not do me any favours :
Will have to pay the 1% levy (income tax with a different name)
Hypocondriac husband (can only claim 20% back on a Med1 form)
Son in college (Registration fees up by nearly 70% !!)
Mother in nursing home costing €870 per week (can only claim 20% back and she could also lose her desperately needed medical card).
Vat rate increased on everything I buy

I'm no economist but history has shown us that in times of recession, governments are supposed to encourage people to spend and keep the cash flowing. There was so much they could have done to lift us out of this 'recession' but they failed.:mad: