The AH Budget discussion thread.

Varkov · 14-10-2008 5:21pm

The likes of Intel, IBM, HP.

Huge amounts of these jobs are very low skilled. And they are contracted out, so you get a **** wage for it and you can be laid off anytime they feel like it.

Edit, just saw above. Novartis and Pfizer aswell.

14-10-2008 5:21pm

Peteee wrote: »

Ah yes, sure anyone can work at Microsoft, no need for a Computer Science degree at all!

Maybe he just has a degree.In these day and ages,you gonna need a Ph.D for the big bucks.

SheroN · 14-10-2008 5:21pm

Beau x1 wrote: »

I don't think so; I'd say the departure tax is most likely added on when you pay for the flight ticket itself from March 30th and then onwards.

Result.

Dinter · 14-10-2008 5:21pm

Darragh29 wrote: »

one in particular that everyone thinks is probably the most advanced company around and I can say from experience that the jobs are mainly low skill.

Daragh handing out freebie Herald AMs for International News and Media doesn't quite compare with working for Intel or Google etc.

rossie1977 · 14-10-2008 5:22pm

Beau x1 wrote:

€10 departure flight tax is due to come in on 30th March, glad I've got my plans to go away in Feb!

was keeping an eye on flights to spain and sweden last few days for december, ryanair slapped the 10euro tax on flights departing ireland as soon as lenihan announced it, baxtards :mad:

Eoin · 14-10-2008 5:24pm

Darragh29 wrote: »

That's been my experience after working for a multinational for 6 years. It's easy to disagree until you've worked for a multinational...

It's easy to disagree when you work for one as well which I do. Tell the highly specialised people in the likes of Google and Microsoft that their jobs are low-skilled and see where it gets you. You're talking shìte.

Beau x1 wrote: »

Aren't the jobs of a specialised and skilled nature over here?

Yep, that's the point I am making.

Run_to_da_hills · 14-10-2008 5:24pm

Beau x1 wrote: »

€10 departure flight tax is due to come in on 30th March, glad I've got my plans to go away in Feb!

O Leary is going to make a killing on this one from all the canceled tickets and missed flights just as he has been doing with the airport tax over the last two decades. :rolleyes:

CiaranC · 14-10-2008 5:25pm

lol @ Darragh29. When I worked at Microsoft I was amazed at all the people who had just the junior cert there working for minimum wage, lol

javaboy · 14-10-2008 5:25pm

Why do people expect every job a high tech company provides to be high skilled? The places will still need cleaners, canteen workers, security etc. In any major setup there's going to be a need for support/services staff.

Darragh29 wrote: »

No, wasn't Intel. Why you think that? Was a pharmaceutical.

Some of what you said rang a few bells about Intel. Just curious.

Darragh29 · 14-10-2008 5:25pm

Dinter wrote: »

Daragh handing out freebie Herald AMs for International News and Media doesn't quite compare with working for Intel or Google etc.

I've a mate with a degree in engineering who left Intel after being stuck in a room loading processors into some machine for 6 months. He said a kid on scondary school work experience could have done it successfully.

prendy · 14-10-2008 5:26pm

so as a low earning professional with a car i am getting screwed while non smoking mates on the dole are laughing.
petrol and motor tax are pretty big increases, thats gonna hurt

a 1% income reduction for everyone from 20k to 99k...that seems fair:rolleyes:

no forced redundancies in the publisc sector? why?

Krieg · 14-10-2008 5:26pm

Arseholes wrote:

.50c increase on cigarettes

Meh... could have been worse i guess. But that right there says ill be paying an extra €190 per year

Spud83 · 14-10-2008 5:26pm

rossie1977 wrote: »

was keeping an eye on flights to spain and sweden last few days for december, ryanair slapped the 10euro tax on flights departing ireland as soon as lenihan announced it, baxtards :mad:

Doesn't come in till march so i don't see why they would do that.

ven0m · 14-10-2008 5:27pm

Dinter wrote: »

Yeah the economy could have been fixed over night if we'd managed to drive those pesky American multinationals out by putting up corporation tax. :rolleyes:

And again :rolleyes:

And jeez one more :rolleyes:

And fuk it here's another, :rolleyes:

I would like to point out one of Microsoft's most profitable business units here & one of it's smallest at he same token which would have had a tax liabaility off nearly 35 million euros last year walked away with a tax liability for that business unit of only approx 450,000 euros.

Considering they have multiple business units, how much tax money are get getting away with not paying legally? They have high profile & well paid tax consultants helping them use every loophole available to minimise their tax liabilities. I'm pretty sure said loopholes were intended to help much smaller companies than MS.

p.s. this isn't MS bashing, it's just the easiest example to pick. (hey, if you can get away with it legally - why not)

but it is an example of our shambolic tax system.

Dinter · 14-10-2008 5:28pm

Darragh29 wrote: »

I've a mate with a degree in engineering who left Intel after being stuck in a room loading processors into some machine for 6 months. He said a kid on scondary school work experience could have done it successfully.

Oh another one of your "mates" who magically prove every point you ever wish to make by virtue of their existence. Tbh your pals might be "true's god" in the pub but they mean nothing here.

Dinter · 14-10-2008 5:30pm

ven0m wrote: »

p.s. this isn't MS bashing, it's just the easiest example to pick. (hey, if you can get away with it legally - why not)

but it is an example of our shambolic tax system.

Sure I agree with that. Of course they're only here because it benefits them. My point is though that it's killing the goose that lays golden eggs (jobs) to drive them out. You put up corporation tax they'll leave and suddenly there's a lot more people on the live register.

Darragh29 · 14-10-2008 5:31pm

eoin_s wrote: »

It's easy to disagree when you work for one as well which I do. Tell the highly specialised people in the likes of Google and Microsoft that their jobs are low-skilled and see where it gets you. You're talking shìte.

Yep, that's the point I am making.

Well your experience obviously differs from mine. The jobs I saw in multinationals were low skill.

Eoin · 14-10-2008 5:31pm

javaboy wrote: »

Why do people expect every job a high tech company provides to be high skilled? The places will still need cleaners, canteen workers, security etc. In any major setup there's going to be a need for support/services staff.

Of course not every job is going to be specialised, I don't think anyone is suggesting that. But to suggest that all of them are low skilled just shows an absolute lack of knowledge about the IT industry.

Caoimhín · 14-10-2008 5:31pm

Lads,

Why all the grumbling about a 6 euro increase on the dole. Social welfare is a fact of life in the western world.

6 euro is not a lot of money compared to the 2.1 BILLION euro that has been made available to give in loans for young people to buy over priced houses off the developers/builders/FF buddies.

The people who contributed most to causing this crisis have just been let off the hook. Bitching about people on the dole is a complete waste of time. The real thieves are now sitting down to a big celebratory dinner in their mansions.

Dinter · 14-10-2008 5:31pm

Darragh29 wrote: »

Well your experience obviously differs from mine. The jobs I saw in multinationals were low skill.

maybe because you were low skilled?

Oshare Bones · 14-10-2008 5:32pm

Why do people think dole "spongers" as you call them are getting loads from this budget? The jobseekers allowance/benefit is remaining exactly the same. So with the increase in VAT, petrol, motor tax, etc. they are actually coming out worse than before the budget.

Edit- as far as I can see, it's only carers allowance/benefit, state pension and maternity benefit increasing.

Beau x1 · 14-10-2008 5:34pm

Actually, anyone know how does the gambling tax introduced work exactly? Would I have to pay tax from Poker winnings or is it just casinos charging the additional cost onto the consumer?

Darragh29 · 14-10-2008 5:34pm

eoin_s wrote: »

Of course not every job is going to be specialised, I don't think anyone is suggesting that. But to suggest that all of them are low skilled just shows an absolute lack of knowledge about the IT industry.

I never mentioned the IT industry. I mentioned multinationals, not all of which are in the IT industry.

Whatever about the potential of the empoyment they bring here, they can WELL afford to step up to the plate as the rest of us have had to. There should have been an equilivent "temporary levy" put beside corporation tax onto company profits.

Spud83 · 14-10-2008 5:35pm

caoibhin wrote: »

Lads,

Why all the grumbling about a 6 euro increase on the dole. Social welfare is a fact of life in the western world.

6 euro is not a lot of money compared to the 2.1 BILLION euro that has been made available to give in loans for young people to buy over priced houses off the developers/builders/FF buddies.

The people who contributed most to causing this crisis have just been let off the hook. Bitching about people on the dole is a complete waste of time. The real thieves are now sitting down to a big celebratory dinner in their mansions.

Completely agree.

I don't think people should be giving out about the dole. You never know you might need it one day.

Also agree regarding the help being given for first time buyers. Help them by letting the prices come down and letting the market adjust. What they have done is try and prop up the housing market with some very wobbly sticks.

Darragh29 · 14-10-2008 5:35pm

Dinter wrote: »

maybe because you were low skilled?

I've a B.Eng (hons) and an M. Eng (hons), so I think you're talkng through your rectum again.

Dinter · 14-10-2008 5:37pm

Darragh29 wrote: »

. . so I think you're talkng through your rectum again.

No I think that's what you were doing at your interview to end up with a succession of low skilled jobs.

SheroN · 14-10-2008 5:39pm

Darragh29 wrote: »

I've a B.Eng (hons) and an M. Eng (hons), so I think you're talkng through your rectum again.

Dinter wrote: »

No I think that's what you were doing at your interview to end up with a succession of low skilled jobs.

Take it to PM. No one cares how you define low skilled jobs or what qualifications you have.

javaboy · 14-10-2008 5:39pm

Darragh29 wrote: »

Whatever about the potential of the empoyment they bring here, they can WELL afford to step up to the plate as the rest of us have had to. There should have been an equilivent "temporary levy" put beside corporation tax onto company profits.

The point is that they'll just pack up and leave if they get taxed too much. They are in the business to make money. There's no 'stepping up to the plate' because they don't feel a moral obligation to contribute any more than they have to. They follow the money. That's why these corporations get so rich.

Marcus.Aurelius · 14-10-2008 5:39pm

Ah lads leave the insults for another day. There's plenty of people at the place I'm doing a PhD with less than a college diploma doing some of the same stuff I do.

BSc, PhD or BEng/MEng is hardly needed for most jobs in multinational industry either. I've seen BSc H grads being retaught everything again before they're let near the production floor.

Our government wouldn't know a decent high-skilled job if it hit them in their collective testicles.

Darragh29 · 14-10-2008 5:39pm

Dinter wrote: »

No I think that's what you were doing at your interview to end up with a succession of low skilled jobs.

Doubt it. Have you any actual experience of what we're discussing here, so you can contribute from an informed position?

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