Budget 2009

turgon

I hear they have reduced commercial property tax by a third, just shows where their hearts lie. And they have upped student reg. fees by 50%, which is even worse. Maybe if they had managed money well while they had it we wouldnt be stuck.

Dont be under any delusions boardsies: we are paying for Fianna Fail's incompetence with our wallets.

Dicemeister

it avoids making the tough decisions required based on the (hopeful) assumption that the world economy is going to turn around during 2009.

it takes care of the builders as decribed above by supporting property prices instead of just allowing them fall to affordable prices. it also avoids annoying the publicans by taxing wine which is more of an off sales drink than beer or cider.

we are borrowing much more than we should so that he can avoid making public sector redundancies and i would imagine that the HSE voluntary early retirement will as usual develop into a gravy train for those involved.

DublinWriter

genericgoon wrote: »

Cigs and Wine are luxury goods. Plus the former has significant health risks and thus longterm health costs to the state.

Yes...smokers cost the state less because they die younger.

Soooo....commercial rates cut to 6% and no increase on duty on Beers/Spirits.

Fianna Fail, ever the friends of builders and publicans.

heyjude

Dicemeister wrote: »

it avoids making the tough decisions required based on the (hopeful) assumption that the world economy is going to turn around during 2009.

it takes care of the builders as decribed above by supporting property prices instead of just allowing them fall to affordable prices. it also avoids annoying the publicans by taxing wine which is more of an off sales drink than beer or cider.

we are borrowing much more than we should so that he can avoid making public sector redundancies and i would imagine that the HSE voluntary early retirement will as usual develop into a gravy train for those involved.

I agree, very much a missed opportunity especially with a general election 3 years away. Lots of tinkering with various areas, but there doesn't seem to be any real plan except to hope that things pick up internationally and that, that alone will sort things out, but it won't as we won't see 90,000 houses a year being built again for a very long time, if ever. The public will also get even more cynical(if thats possible), when they realise that possibly the only winners in this budget were the building and pub trades, now who said that lobbying and having friends in high places doesn't work ?

And why won't they call a spade a spade, "income levy" ??? surely just political speak for an increase in income tax !

I fully expect us to be back here next year with a similar fiscal situation and Lenihan having another go at dosing out the medicine, hopefully next time though, he might actually have a plan. The omens aren't good though, if you won't make the bold decisions when an election isn't pending, what are the chances that you will, when one is pending ?

Machholz

turgon wrote: »

You'd hardly expect Fianna Fail to hurt those driving with diesel - the builders and the business men need the money.

On the other hand every other person who drives petrol are definitely in a position to pay.

I'm telling you if those ***** in Fianna Fail had managed our money and country half as well (remember all those millions on dodgy pay programs. Well done boys), we haven't these extreme measures, taking this crisis out on the people who least deserve it.

Disgrace.

But I can keep my dignity. I will never ever ever put so much as a 20 next to box of a Fianna Filer any time I am ever again in a polling booth.[/quot
A Call to arms !!!!!!
This is the same all the time We the people give out about this Now but when it comes to voting these Leaches out of office Nothing Happens why because we the people vote the same B******s back in
What we really need is a Revolution
These people have it all sown up and the men with the money know how to manage the spin
200 euro on all investment houses but Not for the Developers who have thousands of Apartments and houses that they cant sell they don't have to pay anything
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ateam

The 8cent increase in petrol is scandalous given the state of our public transport.

I'm glad Lenihan had the guts to introduce the 1% tax levy on ALL income earners and to means test medical card holders to those over 70.

Antrim_Man

ateam wrote: »

The 8cent increase in petrol is scandalous given the state of our public transport.

I'm glad Lenihan had the guts to introduce the 1% tax levy on ALL income earners and to means test medical card holders to those over 70.

Actually I think that was a cowardly act. Guts would have been to increase the tax on all high earners over €85000 more than the 2% as was rumoured and leave those below alone.

turgon

Antrim_Man wrote: »

Actually I think that was a cowardly act. Guts would have been to increase the tax on all high earners over €85000 more than the 2% as was rumoured and leave those below alone.

That would have hurt the builders and the developers, Antrim_Man, and thus an impossibility.

DarkJager

Antrim_Man wrote: »

Actually I think that was a cowardly act. Guts would have been to increase the tax on all high earners over €85000 more than the 2% as was rumoured and leave those below alone.

Now we're supposed to feel "patriotic" about the sacrifices we are being forced to make? This entire budget was a joke from start to finish. Whatever gains were made were equally negated twofold.

I can only pray that the people will pay them back come election time, but as we saw last year, we seem to have a very high percentage of idiots living here who like being raped by Fianna Fail.

ateam

Antrim_Man wrote: »

Actually I think that was a cowardly act. Guts would have been to increase the tax on all high earners over €85000 more than the 2% as was rumoured and leave those below alone.

I don't think it's necessarily fair to penalise a section of the society that already pays enormous amounts of tax and not to penalise others. Everyone was penalised equally percentage wise.

Antrim_Man

ateam wrote: »

I don't think it's necessarily fair to penalise a section of the society that already pays enormous amounts of tax and not to penalise others. Everyone was penalised equally percentage wise.

Some can afford to be penalised more than others :rolleyes:

luckat

ArseBurger wrote: »

It's an incentive to work harder and earn more.

Grand, so. Can you get me a better job, please?

ateam

Antrim_Man wrote: »

Some can afford to be penalised more than others :rolleyes:

Ah discrimination. They pay enough. It's like people on higher earnings are punished for going to college for years or for being entrepreneurial. I know some don't mind, but I feel to bash the higher income people is just as unfair as to bash the lower income people.

nouveau_4.0

workaccount wrote: »

8c is alot extra for fuel. Do you think this was justified?

Why not increase cigarettes to 2 euro like what was speculated?

I know we drivers cause problems but alot of benefits also. What benefits do fags have?

Cigarettes to two euro would be sweet!

That would massively increase people smuggling cigarettes to Ireland seeing as cigarettes are about a third of the price on the continent in places.

hellboy99

8c on petrol, worse still when it goes up again at the pumps (no doubt that will be soon), tax up and a crap public transport system to make things worse.

We the public have to pay to bail out the banks and now we have to pay to bail out FF mess. Joke of a budget, they've just made more people worse off.
I'd say Sainsburys & Asda up north are in their element now, watch the amount of their customers from the south increase.

therewillbe

:mad:I AM FURIOUS WITH THE RISE ON PETROL :mad: YES A LEVY IS GOOD FOR US ALL IN THE LONG TERM BUT WHY HIT THE MOST VUNERABLE IN SOCIETY.:mad: MEDICAL CARDS ONLY FOR PEOPLE WHO NEED THEM FINANCIALLY, NOT THE WELL OFF.:mad:SMOKES, WHO CARES . IT IS YOUR CHOICE, SO GIVE UP.WE THE AVERAGE MAN/WOMAN ARE GETTING SHAFTED AGAIN :mad: SORRY FOR GOING ON ON ONE....

AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH..........:mad:

Disssgruntled

Anyone know when the increase on Motor Tax kicks in - mine is up at the end of the month so I want to put 12 months on ASAP and the crafty bástards haven't sent me my PIN yet :eek:

wingnut

Vat increase encourages me to order more stuff from UK sites.

Antrim_Man

Disssgruntled wrote: »

Anyone know when the increase on Motor Tax kicks in - mine is up at the end of the month so I want to put 12 months on ASAP and the crafty bástards haven't sent me my PIN yet :eek:

TAXATION IN RELATION TO CARS New Motor Tax Rates and Fees for Trade Licence Plates
In order to support funding for local authorities, the Budget provides for increases in motor tax rates and fees for trade licence plates. The proposed increases are 4% for cars below 2.5 litres and CO2 bands A to D, and 5 % for cars above the 2.5 litre threshold and CO2 bands E, F and G. Goods and all other vehicles will also increase by 4% with no increase for electric vehicles. Trade plate licences will also increase by 4%.
The new rates will apply to motor tax discs and trade licences taken out for periods beginning on or after 1 January 2009.
The proceeds of motor tax are paid directly into the Local Government Fund. This Fund, which was established under the Local Government Act 1998, is ring-fenced for local government. The motor tax paid into the Fund is supplemented on an annual basis by an Exchequer contribution. The Fund is used primarily to finance local and regional roads and the general purpose needs of local authorities.
Details of the new rates are set out in Annex E.
This measure is estimated to yield about €40 million in a full year.

Antrim_Man

therewillbe wrote: »

:mad:I AM FURIOUS WITH THE RISE ON PETROL :mad: YES A LEVY IS GOOD FOR US ALL IN THE LONG TERM BUT WHY HIT THE MOST VUNERABLE IN SOCIETY.:mad: MEDICAL CARDS ONLY FOR PEOPLE WHO NEED THEM FINANCIALLY, NOT THE WELL OFF.:mad:SMOKES, WHO CARES . IT IS YOUR CHOICE, SO GIVE UP.WE THE AVERAGE MAN/WOMAN ARE GETTING SHAFTED AGAIN :mad: SORRY FOR GOING ON ON ONE....

AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH..........:mad:

I am selling a Diesel car. Drop me a PM for details

luckyfrank

We can all snipe at fianna fail but would fine gael have done a better job ?

The fact is 99.9% of all TDs are tossers they screw you in the good times and screw you harder in the bad

Change of goverment needed

Bring in labour

DarkJager

What exactly is this Carbon Budget tomorrow? Is there a chance of further hikes on petrol?

ateam

luckyfrank wrote: »

We can all snipe at fianna fail but would fine gael have done a better job ?

The fact is 99.9% of all TDs are tossers they screw you in the good times and screw you harder in the bad

Change of goverment needed

Bring in labour

When there was a Labour Finance Minister in the mid 90s (Ruairi Quinn), they brought in a 1 pound increase in the pension rate. That's so called socialism for you. Labour voted against saving the banks which would have crippled the economy.

Look, Lenihan warned it was not going to be an easy budget and it would never suit everyone.

Ginger

Can someone give me an answer on the Mortgage relief.

I have a mortgage got in 2006, does that mean I will get a slight rebate from 2006 & 2007 and then in 2008 get an increase in my current mortgage relief?

kenco

Have to say that the levy being applied to all is a disgrace and how some of the Independants and Greens are prepared to vote for this budget beggers belief.

Despite all the economic doom and gloom this is a hugely retrograde step for the low income earners who many of which will now be better off going on the dole.

ateam

kenco wrote: »

Have to say that the levy being applied to all is a disgrace and how some of the Independants and Greens are prepared to vote for this budget beggers belief.

Despite all the economic doom and gloom this is a hugely retrograde step for the low income earners who many of which will now be better off going on the dole.

For someone earning €350 a week it will mean they will have to pay €3.50 for this levy. It's 1% not 20%.

kenco

ateam wrote: »

For someone earning €350 a week it will mean they will have to pay €3.50 for this levy. It's 1% not 20%.

As a matter of principle I dont agree that someone earning 350 should have to pay any additional tax and certainly not at the same rate as someone earning €100,000

NewDubliner

Tax relief on medical expenses is being restricted to the standard rate.

This will hit hard at children who are paying nursing home fees for elderly parents.

So, if a family is paying €50,000 a year for an sick relative in a nursing home, tax relieve on this would have been worth €20,500. Under this budget, the relief will now be just €10,500

This is probably the biggest hit on any sector of the community, far more devastating than any other measure.

luckat

It's a budget that attacks parents - after five-and-a-half, the early childcare help goes.

It attacks education - €500 extra on university fees (and *please* don't call them 'registration' fees, they're just fees), plus an end to the children's allowance at 18.

If you're a young mother trying desperately to get an education to be qualified for better-paying work, these three actions end your hope.

ateam

kenco wrote: »

As a matter of principle I dont agree that someone earning 350 should have to pay any additional tax and certainly not at the same rate as someone earning €100,000

The person on 100k is already paying much of that on the higher rate of tax.

It's a fair system for once, the middle and high earners being treated the same as the lower income earners.