BBC Newsnight - The Theft of 2008

Nevyn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjaguXX3GfE

Greg Palast: It's ugly. Consider:

- In the swing state of Colorado, we found that the Republican Secretary of State wiped out 19.4% - one in five - voter names in an unnoticed mass purge.

- In swing-state New Mexico, in the February caucus, one in nine Democrats found their names missing from the voter rolls supplied by the State. The elections supervisor of San Miguel County - whose own name was missing from the rolls - has no confidence the state contractors will fix it. Our statistical analysis showed there was a direct relationship between your name and your race and income. The poor and the dark were disappeared.

- In Indiana, you heard about 10 nuns who lost their vote because their ID - drivers' licenses - had expired (they were all over eighty). But what about the others? We've calculated that 143,000 others were turned away - disproportionately Blacks and new voters.

Between this and the fact that people in poorer areas due to the lack of voting machines had to que for nearly 4 hours in some places to cast their votes do you think that the voting system is rigged and who ever gets into the whitehouse will have done so due to more uncast and denied votes then actual votes ?

Manic Moran

Here's the other fun quote.

These are Virginia (13 electoral votes) and North Carolina (15), which have done well economically and attracted young emigres from more depressed northern states.

The same is happening in Colorado and Nevada, they're getting influxes of people leaving California and Washintgon. So not content with breaking the economies of their own States, once they've done them in, they're going to Red States which are working well enough, turn them blue, and break those. This puts the Northern states back on an equal competetive footing. Cunning plans by those Yankees...

NTM

horseflesh

Manic Moran wrote: »

Here's the other fun quote.



The same is happening in Colorado and Nevada, they're getting influxes of people leaving California and Washintgon. So not content with breaking the economies of their own States, once they've done them in, they're going to Red States which are working well enough, turn them blue, and break those. This puts the Northern states back on an equal competetive footing. Cunning plans by those Yankees...

NTM

The Civil War was how many hundred years ago??

Seriously though, are you saying that some traditionally Republican states are taking such an influx of Democrat-inclined people that they are diluting the Republican base and actually making those states Democrat??
Couldn't voters in these states just be considering change?

(as an aside, why are they "breaking" those states? surely they're fulfilling an economic/employment need?)

Overheal

I just got off the phone with one of those polling people

lets see if SC turns into a swing state!

Manic Moran

Seriously though, are you saying that some traditionally Republican states are taking such an influx of Democrat-inclined people that they are diluting the Republican base and actually making those states Democrat??

Yes. The author of the article makes the same assessment, you will note.

When people transplant, they tend to bring their morals and attitudes with them. You don't suddenly become a Conservative just because you moved from Boston to Raleigh. For example, it took me a couple of years just to convert to the concept of private firearms ownership, and I was already pre-disposed in that direction as a shooter in Ireland.

Couldn't voters in these states just be considering change?

I'm sure some are. But the migration effect is also present.

why are they "breaking" those states? surely they're fulfilling an economic/employment need?

I was being tongue-in-cheek about the whole concept, but the idea was that their Blue policies compared to the Red (Or Grey, if you want to be ACW about it) resulted in an economic disadvantage. So they're moving to the Red/Grey State where the economy is better, until they have a majority, can implement their Blue policies, and then break the State.

NTM

Pocono Joe

Yeah, voter fraud has been pretty bad as well... here are a couple articles in just the last week (if I get some extra time, I'll go back two weeks):

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122394051071230749.html?mod=djemEditorialPage
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-flbfelons1012sboct12,0,3762352.story
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081011/D93O5M100.html
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10092008/news/politics/nuts__132771.htm
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081009/ap_on_el_ge/voter_fraud
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10102008/news/politics/1_voter__72_registrations_132965.htm
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081008/D93M0K5G0.html
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93LPR783&show_article=1
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10142008/news/politics/bogus_voter_booted_amid_probe_of_acorn_133540.htm
http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/1223973289273860.xml&coll=2
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10062008/news/nationalnews/homeless_driven_to_vote_obama_132395.htm

Overheal

news stations have been all over this acorn business. you can smell the bull**** through their [acorns] teeth

Ruskie4Rent

Overheal wrote: »

news stations have been all over this acorn business. you can smell the bull**** through their [acorns] teeth

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2008/oct/13/election-acorn-voter-fraud
This link claims that the Acorn allegations are a 'hoax'. It's a biased article but I'd agree that there is something fishy about it.

lostexpectation

im a lefty would tned to believe that the democrats are less likely to do top down fraud, but hey their all politicains so i wouldn't put it past em, but you read a bit further this acron stuff looks like republican mountian out of mole hill.

the reporter says that acron checks their registrations, is geg palast saying the same with republican driven projects it seems there people don't get notification of the mistakes, that's the difference.