Foreign Nationals flying in for the day to sign on the dole

jaffa20

KhanTheMan wrote: »

I kid you not. I was walking past the po and he's coming out. Couldn't believe it when he told me. Tbh I am giving serious thought to reporting them. But I know nothing will come of it if I do. What really gets me is he said that there are loads of people doing it. They even fly on the same fligths sometimes.

It wouldn't me hard to stop if there was a will. A bit of cooperation with border control and social welfare is all it would take.
A one man job. Tally up passport numbers on flights with days in the country and payments. Job done.

Give me their details and i'll do it for you. I can assure you that it will be taken seriously.

u2thepale

Have a gander at the following link and it will show you the extent that this fraud is actually happening, it's only in the last 6 months that new people signing on have to collect their payments at the post office instead of getting it transferred into their account!!

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0808/welfare.html

Sure we've been giving our money away for years and only now they cop on!!

ejmaztec

Krieg wrote: »

Thats what I thought as soon as I read OP

Yes, I'm just working out my itinerary, before I go and buy an enormous suitcase.

I understand that a certain minority in Ireland is only allowed to collect dole monies during a specific time period, on a specific day each week, so that they don't have enough time to skip over any other county borders to collect some more. No doubt someone will correct me if this is a myth.

When everyone in the EU has their Brussels Tracking Chip installed, the game will be up.

u2thepale

oops , here's the right link

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0721/welfare.html

mumhaabu

Dey tuk er doles!!!!!

KhanTheMan

CiaranC wrote: »

Have you ever had the misfortune to actually be on the dole? They dont exactly invite you in and give you hugs and kisses for your trouble. If the inspector wants to see you and you dont make it, you lose your payments.

Yes i have. Was on it for years in the 80's, 90's . When ou could get work on the sites the condition was that you would get paid a weeks wages minus the dole and were given Tuesday morning off at the building site to go down and collect it. If you didnt like that, no job.
And they came on to the sites every couple of months and got everyone up against a wall. Asked them their name and address. They gave a false name and address and that was it.

About being in the house when they call. They have to give you reasonable notice to be in. The cant expect you to be in the arse end of Kerry with no phone coverage and be back within a day or 2 (example).

colly10

Photi wrote: »

While tucking into a swan at the same time I bet. Them there foreign nationals, whatever will they get up to next?

todolist wrote: »

This response is the kind of stuff that makes this place a soft touch for east european fraudsters.You're not bothered that taxpayer money his going to fraudsters in Poland.we have enough Irish doing it without these foreigners at it as well.:mad:

+1

@photi - the op's hardly making it up, ye'd probably be quick enough to moan if the government misspent it. We end up getting tax increases and additional tax on petrol to cover **** like this

humbert

Knew some Irish guys(Friends of a friend of a friend. But did hear it from the horses mouth) in Berlin doing that. Cost of living there and cheap flights made it quite practical.

Would have reported it if I'd known their names but too lazy to go investigating afterwards. What makes it worse is that they'd been there about half a year and could not even manage platitudes in the language and knew bugger all about the city.

Have a gander at the following link and it will show you the extent that this fraud is actually happening, it's only in the last 6 months that new people signing on have to collect their payments at the post office instead of getting it transferred into their account!!

That was a flipping joke.

I knew a Spanish girl who received some sort of benefits and somehow was still receiving them after she moved back to Spain. I thought it was bad enough she was claiming benefits in the first place - if you can't afford the luxury of living in an expensive country, don't come here - but she was outright committing fraud and didn't see what was wrong with it. And here's me, genuinely out of work and grabbing bits of temping and teaching evening classes, had to move out of my flat cos I can't afford it, thinking I shouldn't sign on as I'm well off compared to some people. I'm starting to feel like a mug!

AnonoBoy

KhanTheMan wrote: »

About being in the house when they call. They have to give you reasonable notice to be in. The cant expect you to be in the arse end of Kerry with no phone coverage and be back within a day or 2 (example).

It's different these days. If they keep looking for you and you're not around then they will ask questions. You're supposed to be available for work in the area you're living in. If you're consistently not around then you lose your benefits.

Ross_Mahon

They need some snipers to shoot them down when they get off the plane.

KhanTheMan

AnonoBoy wrote: »

It's different these days. If they keep looking for you and you're not around then they will ask questions. You're supposed to be available for work in the area you're living in. If you're consistently not around then you lose your benefits.

When they call up you might not be in. Thats just the way life is. They cant penalize you for living your life outside the house. If they want to tell you when to be there then its not hard to fly over that day and be in. It might make it uneconomical for you to do it every week but they are never going to do that.

How about making people sign on each of Monday, Wednesday and Friday every week for their dole? Make the schools send a copy of the roll call to DSW every week. If the kids arent in school no dole, unless you have a note from the doctor (which is checked).

Much better than calling up to their house every week. Calling to the house just isnt going to work.

axel rose

KhanTheMan wrote: »

I met a guy who used to live beside me today in the post office. Hes from Poland and moved home about 6 months ago. He told me he was here with his wife for the day.

Now the best bit. They were signing on collecting their money. I was shocked and it showed and he explained it to me.

They have 3 children and are saying they are living with his brother who still lives here. They went home to Poland and he has a job there. This was his last time signing on but his wife is going to sign on saying she was left in Ireland with the kids. She'll just come over here for the day whenever she needs to sign on on the cheap flights. Even if this is once a week (and im sure its less often than that) it will pay her to do it. And childrens allowance etc too.

Still seeing my shocked face he said that he knows lots of people doing the very same thing, that it was normal.

Unbelievable.

ok you can do nothing and pay for this scumbag or you can pm me the details and I can get this guy investigated. your choice

KhanTheMan

axel rose wrote: »

ok you can do nothing and pay for this scumbag or you can pm me the details and I can get this guy investigated. your choice

Why dont you just read the thread?

Sam Vimes

KhanTheMan wrote: »

As i said, they need to tally up passport arrivals with dole claims. Easy to do. yet they waste all these resources stupidly doing the wrong thing.

Ive sent an email to report him anyway. Lets see what happens.

afaik that would be a violation of the data protection act

javaboy

KhanTheMan wrote: »

Yes i have. Was on it for years in the 80's, 90's . When ou could get work on the sites the condition was that you would get paid a weeks wages minus the dole and were given Tuesday morning off at the building site to go down and collect it. If you didnt like that, no job.
And they came on to the sites every couple of months and got everyone up against a wall. Asked them their name and address. They gave a false name and address and that was it.

What the hell did nobody see this? Am I reading this wrong or were you defrauding the dole back then? Seems a bit rich to be criticising someone else for doing the same now.

redout

This is a joke. Hopefully the right people will get a wind of it. The same thing happened in Spain recently with eastern europeans. It was on the news that a bunch of local lads found out and beat the ****e out of about a dozen of them eastern europeans then ended up getting arrested themselves.

It only made the news because a few hundred people from the local area descended on the police station breaking the windows demanding that the men be released. Totally support them.

axel rose

ok khan just bitch about it. I read the post (ok with and ould glass of vino or two) and I can see that if you tell either myself or jaffa the details - something will be done............ the who and the where. whats the point in posting this otherwise? You would be surprised where we work.....

Sam Vimes

Sam Vimes wrote: »

afaik that would be a violation of the data protection act

Not at all, transfer of information between government departments is perfectly legal.
Even more so if there is a possiblity criminal activities are being carried out!

mossie110

i posted this on another thread but got no joy. so i'll try here instead,
I'm not a racist, but i had to go to my social welfare officer a few weeks ago to drop in a form for the medical card, and before some says's anything I'm a carer for my wife who is disabled. there were about 20 or so people waiting to see him and out of the 20 people waiting 5 were Irish and the rest were non-nationals, if their not begging on the street their begging of the state,
why cant the goverment make them f**k off bad to where they came from,
it makes me sick to see the f**kers driving around the town. and i'd bet with no insurance.
i know for a fact how this works. non-nationals come to ireland with a big family 10 or more, buy a car and insure it in one name.but the whole family are driving the car, if they get stopped by the cops....."ME NO SPEACK NO ENGLASH"

AnonoBoy

redout wrote: »

This is a joke. Hopefully the right people will get a wind of it. The same thing happened in Spain recently with eastern europeans. It was on the news that a bunch of local lads found out and beat the ****e out of about a dozen of them eastern europeans then ended up getting arrested themselves.

It only made the news because a few hundred people from the local area descended on the police station breaking the windows demanding that the men be released. Totally support them.

Oh yeah. Me too. Definitely - a bit of mindless thuggery social justice is just what we need in Ireland. :rolleyes:

AnonoBoy

mossie110 wrote: »

I'm not a racist, but i had to go to my social welfare officer a few weeks ago to drop in a form for the medical card, and before some says's anything I'm a carer for my wife who is disabled. there were about 20 or so people waiting to see him and out of the 20 people waiting 5 were Irish and the rest were non-nationals, if their not begging on the street their begging of the state,
why cant the goverment make them f**k off bad to where they came from,
it makes me sick to see the f**kers driving around the town. and i'd bet with no insurance.
i know for a fact how this works. non-nationals come to ireland with a big family 10 or more, buy a car and insure it in one name.but the whole family are driving the car, if they get stopped by the cops....."ME NO SPEACK NO ENGLASH"

Not a racist? Maybe not but you do a damn good impression of a xenophobe.

If you start a sentence with 'I'm not a racist, but', you're a racist. I actually have more respect for the opinions of those who admit they're racist and tell me why than the cowards who start sentences with that phrase or similar and then spout a pile of xenophobic nonsense. Who do you think you're fooling?

randylonghorn

redout wrote: »

This is a joke. Hopefully the right people will get a wind of it. The same thing happened in Spain recently with eastern europeans. It was on the news that a bunch of local lads found out and beat the ****e out of about a dozen of them eastern europeans then ended up getting arrested themselves.

It only made the news because a few hundred people from the local area descended on the police station breaking the windows demanding that the men be released. Totally support them.

So ... dole fraud >>> assault / GBH >>> mob violence /destruction of property.

And you "totally support them"?

Well done! You've just impressed the hell out of me with your intelligence!!

FFS, if you or anyone else knows someone who is deliberately defrauding the Social Welfare, it doesn't matter whether they are Irish or not, there is one very simple solution, and it doesn't involve either ranting on the internet or beating the crap out of them ... report them! :rolleyes:

Dord

<insert generic Roma rant>

redout

randylonghorn wrote: »

So ... dole fraud >>> assault / GBH >>> mob violence /destruction of property.

And you "totally support them"?

Well done! You've just impressed the hell out of me with your intelligence!!

FFS, if you or anyone else knows someone who is deliberately defrauding the Social Welfare, it doesn't matter whether they are Irish or not, there is one very simple solution, and it doesn't involve either ranting on the internet or beating the crap out of them ... report them! :rolleyes:

They should be given a good hiding. Report them yes, but all this will do will get them cut off hopefully but sure they will scarper back to poland with no prosecution.

javaboy

Dord wrote: »

<insert generic Roma rant interchanging Roma and Romanian at random>

FYP

Run_to_da_hills

Sam Vimes wrote: »

afaik that would be a violation of the data protection act

The data protection act dose not exist in Ireland anymore, :rolleyes:

Have you travelled between Junction 6 and Junction 7 on the M50 recently?

Dord

javaboy wrote: »

FYP

Ah jaysus, I knew I left something out!

axel rose

nah!!! I dont care what who colour race age or situation. I just dont freeking care! according to this thread there is quite a lot of fraud. What concerns me more is that there are very few people who are willing to anything about it. Why are people so reluctant to report it?

javaboy

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Data protection dose not exist anymore, :rolleyes:

Have you travelled between Junction 6 and Junction 7 on the M50 recently?

I did and the government stole my identity. Oh how I wish I had listened to you.

Dord

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The data protection act dose not exist in Ireland anymore, :rolleyes:

Have you travelled between Junction 6 and Junction 7 on the M50 recently?

Why ask him? Just check on the website!

AnonoBoy

redout wrote: »

They should be given a good hiding. Report them yes, but all this will do will get them cut off hopefully but sure they will scarper back to poland with no prosecution.

Ever broken the law redout and not been caught? I bet you have.

I recommend a good beating.

Dord

axel rose wrote: »

nah!!! I dont care what who colour race age or situation. I just dont freeking care! according to this thread there is quite a lot of fraud. What concerns me more is that there are very few people who are willing to anything about it. Why are people so reluctant to report it?

I'd say the main reason is pure laziness. Also another factor may be lack of information on how to do so. (i.e. who to contact if you suspect social welfare fraud).

redout

I am not the one stealing from someone else's country and fuking off back to my own to spend Irish peoples money.

AnonoBoy

redout wrote: »

I am not the one stealing from someone else's country and fuking off back to my own to spend Irish peoples money.

I get you. So it's just the non-nationals that are committing welfare fraud that deserve to be beaten. The Irish people doing it get what exactly? A nice big pat on the back from you and an invitation to join the beat down?

Dord

redout wrote: »

I am not the one stealing from someone else's country and fuking off back to my own to spend Irish peoples money.

Are you stealing from your own country though?

Let us not forget that a lot of Irish people swindle the social too... it's not just the fodgeners!

redout

they deserve one also. But they are not as bad as the ones taking from another country FFS and then living in their own country !

Dord

redout wrote: »

they deserve one also. But they are not as bad as the ones taking from another country FFS and then living in their own country !

Just as bad. The ones coming from other countries are just stooping a hell of a lot lower. :mad:

AnonoBoy

redout wrote: »

they deserve one also. But they are not as bad as the ones taking from another country FFS and then living in their own country !

Beatings for all! YAY!

You should run for election redout. You would appeal greatly to the knuckle-dragging electorate with your low-IQ, reactionary rhetoric.

AnonoBoy

AnonoBoy wrote: »

So it's just the non-nationals that are committing welfare fraud that deserve to be beaten.

Plenty Irish ones at it too but what a lot of these non-nationals are at is beyond a joke, you wouldn't get away with it in their country that's for sure. No wonder are country is in the mess it's in.

randylonghorn

redout wrote: »

I am not the one stealing from someone else's country and fuking off back to my own to spend Irish peoples money.

No, you're the one advocating mob rule / mindless violence as a valid consequence to social welfare fraud.

Can't you see that the solution you are advancing is far more destructive to any type of civilised society than the problem?

randylonghorn

hellboy99 wrote: »

Plenty Irish ones at it too but what a lot of these non-nationals are at is beyond a joke, you wouldn't get away with it in their country that's for sure. No wonder are country is in the mess it's in.

Are they any worse than the Irish who drew dole in England in the past when the work dried up? Or the Irish who emigrated to the US illegally, many of whom even now are still flying under the radar and paying no tax etc.?

Or is that all right because we're the "loveable Irish"? :rolleyes:

AnonoBoy

randylonghorn wrote: »

Or is that all right because we're the "loveable Irish"? :rolleyes:

No silly - it's ok because we're white and we speak English.

Just tracing the movments of a suspected fraudster's mobile phone should be enough to catch them, after all how many unemployed people do you know that would leave the house early in the morning and return late in the aftenoon as regular as clockwork - if they work more than a couple of miles it it will be noticed that the phone "homed" to a different cell.

OPENROAD

randylonghorn wrote: »

Are they any worse than the Irish who drew dole in England in the past when the work dried up? Or the Irish who emigrated to the US illegally, many of whom even now are still flying under the radar and paying no tax etc.?

Or is that all right because we're the "loveable Irish"? :rolleyes:

Didn't thehe UK have a big problem with Irish claiming multiple benefits in different parts of the UK?

randylonghorn

AnonoBoy wrote: »

No silly - it's ok because we're white and we speak English.

/slaps head

Soz ... I forgot!

OPENROAD wrote: »

Didn't thehe UK have a big problem with Irish claiming multiple benefits in different parts of the UK?

Yep.

And quite often working on the building sites at the same time ... no more than the OP!

amacachi

mossie110 wrote: »

i posted this on another thread but got no joy. so i'll try here instead,
I'm not a racist, but i had to go to my social welfare officer a few weeks ago to drop in a form for the medical card, and before some says's anything I'm a carer for my wife who is disabled. there were about 20 or so people waiting to see him and out of the 20 people waiting 5 were Irish and the rest were non-nationals, if their not begging on the street their begging of the state,
why cant the goverment make them f**k off bad to where they came from,
it makes me sick to see the f**kers driving around the town. and i'd bet with no insurance.
i know for a fact how this works. non-nationals come to ireland with a big family 10 or more, buy a car and insure it in one name.but the whole family are driving the car, if they get stopped by the cops....."ME NO SPEACK NO ENGLASH"

Not racist? Are you taking the piss or what?

Both times I went in about my claim there were the same number of black people as white people in the place, and only one black person out of about 15 went to the Enquiries or Claims desk, the rest were looking for a PPS number either for them or their kid.

Signing on today out of around 60 people there wasn't a single black person and none who looked obviously eastern European. There were however, 10 different people who I recognised as working in pubs, restauraunts and shops around town and 5 lads who were obviously on their way to a building site. It's ****in disgusting.

Captain Darling

I'd just like to say.........









rabble, rabble, rabble.

Pride Fighter

If this story is on the After Hours section of boards it must be true:rolleyes: