Foreign Nationals flying in for the day to sign on the dole

tv3

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Amazing. Thing is I happen to have a report here that says any posting on boards.ie made by someone with three or less characters in their name is actually the work of a troll and should be discounted as such.

Call over to my office and I'll show it to you.

Im sure you would know a awful lot about a troll:D.I know the truth hurts by there ya go:rolleyes:

tv3

AnonoBoy wrote: »

I don't think you understand percentages very well.

If 6% of scams in the country are run by immigrants (and we're making that figure up here) then it means that the percentage of immigrants who are scammers is LOWER than the percentage of Irish people who are scammers since about 10% of the population is made up of immigrants.

What is your problem dude.You were given the stats now dont go trying adding percentages and the population because you will look more stupid doing that !

AnonoBoy

tv3 wrote: »

What is your problem dude.You were given the stats now dont go trying adding percentages and the population because you will look more stupid doing that !

I was given the stats? By who? Oh wait - you mean the figure you made up and couldn't support with a link to any sort of reliable source?

Oh yeah. Forgot about that.

Carry on.

tv3

AnonoBoy wrote: »

I was given the stats? By who? Oh wait - you mean the figure you made up and couldn't support with a link to any sort of reliable source?

Oh yeah. Forgot about that.

Carry on.

As i said on a previous post the stats are clear and im here to give my view/responce and not here to PROVE ANYTHING TO YOU but as i said..the truth does hurt ! 93%:D

AnonoBoy

tv3 wrote: »

As i said on a previous post the stats are clear and im here to give my view/responce and not here to PROVE ANYTHING TO YOU but as i said..the truth does hurt ! 93%:D

Wow. This could go in circles for hours.

You have yet to show any stats for anything so I don't see how they could be clear. All you've done is make things up.

AnonoBoy

AnonoBoy wrote: »

I don't think you understand percentages very well.

If 6% of scams in the country are run by immigrants (and we're making that figure up here) then it means that the percentage of immigrants who are scammers is LOWER than the percentage of Irish people who are scammers since about 10% of the population is made up of immigrants.

There is not a huge difference between 6% and 10% when both figures are best guesses in the first place.

Can anyone provide accurate figures!!

javaboy

tv3 wrote: »

Can you back up your point???:rolleyes:

Didn't you read my post. I said there was a report in July. What else do I need to do? :rolleyes:

Deleted User wrote: »

There is not a huge difference between 6% and 10% when both figures are best guesses in the first place.

Can anyone provide accurate figures!!

Hey I resent that. My figure of 6% was not a "best guess". I completely made it up.

SimpleSam06

DanishViking wrote: »

You(the Irish people) voted in the government and to be in the EU--> Your Government in EU voted for the free movement of workers within EU-->The EU(and all members states have to agree) invited Poland to Join as a full member=You(the Irish people) invited the poles to come to Ireland and work, it's called democracy

To be honest that agreement was signed while Poland was still part of the Soviet Union, and nobody would want to come to Ireland anyway. Times change.

DanishViking wrote: »

That might be true in a textbook kind of fashion. I'm not an economist(don't need to be to have an opinion) I only quoted what the nice man reading the news on RTE1 said the first week I was here.(and that was that Ireland would need 5000 new immigrants a month to keep the economy in place)

And the lesson here is, don't believe everything you see on TV.

DanishViking wrote: »

And since 90% of your legal immigrants are white and catholic, I would imagine that the integration/assimilation would be easier here.

Its not as simple as looking at a sea of faces and going, hey look isn't that nice they are all the same, hence integrated. It takes a lot more than that to absorb immigrants. Even people who are basically the same can have great difficulty mixing, for example sectarian violence in the north here.

Also, catholic isn't as important around these parts as it used to be. Once the kiddy fiddling priest stories hit the press, that was it, really.

DanishViking wrote: »

Don't know why you mention the 18 thousand children of African ethnicity since they are, technically, Irish.

In no way are they Irish except on paper, and they were only allowed that much because it was too expensive to deport them. Their children and grandchildren will be Irish however.

DanishViking wrote: »

But even if you throw in their families (mom+ dad, let’s say another 40 thousand) that would only amount to 1% of the Irish populating, hardly enough to change the ethnic demography of Ireland (compare it to Germany who has 8% non-ethnic German, German citizens)

Two points here, many of these people came with dependents. My next door neighbours are Nigerian, and there are eight of them in the family under the one roof, three generations.

Secondly, it is estimated that 10% of the gross population (not the working population) of Ireland are economic migrants of some sort or another. This is a huge amount in any country, made even more so because they all showed up in the last eight years or so. Thats 10% growth in population due to migrants over 8 years. Nowhere else has seen any such invasion, nor accepted it with such good grace.

DanishViking wrote: »

Nope not sour, just thought you had a xenophobic twang to your thread, and wanted to reply.

Xenophobia is a dislike of foreigners. I merely dislike freeloaders.

javaboy

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

And the lesson here is, don't believe everything you see on TV.

Or the internet.

AnonoBoy

Deleted User wrote: »

There is not a huge difference between 6% and 10% when both figures are best guesses in the first place.

Can anyone provide accurate figures!!

If you read back through the thread you'll see that I got the figure of 10% from the 2006 census.

Here it is again:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0329/census.html

javaboy

javaboy wrote: »

Hey I resent that. My figure of 6% was not a "best guess". I completely made it up.

Foreign nationals now account for 10% of the Irish population, according to the 2006 Census Report published by the Central Statistics Office.

The number of foreign nationals living in Ireland has almost doubled to 420,000 in the past two years.

from the 2006 census, but what are they now!!

DubArk

tv3 wrote: »

As i said on a previous post the stats are clear and im here to give my view/responce and not here to PROVE ANYTHING TO YOU but as i said..the truth does hurt ! 93%:D

Yes you keep giving this percentage of 93% that your getting from the "Stormfront Ireland White Nationalist issues in Ireland!"

Is this not the case??

Hagar

On a positive note: Board Fáilte are reporting a massive increase in short stay tourism from Eastern Europe.

javaboy

Deleted User wrote: »

from the 2006 census, but what are they now!!

Well according to a recent TNS/MRBI poll of blokes down the pub, the figure stands at approximately 76%.

AnonoBoy

Deleted User wrote: »

from the 2006 census, but what are they now!!

Unfortunately they're the most recent accurate figures that I can find unless they released figures from another census which I didn't hear about.

I'm sure someone will jump on those figures anyway and say that "all them durty foreigners lie on the census forms anyways. There'd be 15 of them living in a cupboard and they'd say there was only 2 to trick us into giving them more dole and wimmens".

Doodee

AnonoBoy wrote: »

" and wimmens".

Not our potatoes!

DanishViking

AnonoBoy wrote: »

giving them more dole and wimmens".

Do you apply the same place for both? It's just as a Durty foignar, I think I might be intitled to it...:D

Kintarō Hattori

tv3 wrote: »

Its very clear you immigrants are screwing the country !You could look it up on the internet that 93% of scamming in ireland are immigrants and that was a report issued in june !
Immigrants do nothing good for ireland,any money they have they ship back to there "poor" country !:eek:

As you can see ive no time for these !:D

You immigrants. Who are you referring too? Ahhh I can look it up on the internet, that bastion of reliable information. Always a good place to get the facts from. Sure it's on the internet is it, then it must be true.

Really I'm wasting my time arguing with you. When you say that 'Immigrants do nothing good for the country', it really does call into question your level of education, which leads me to believe that its probably not worth having this discussion with you.
There are plenty of immigrants who have settled here, bought houses and apartments, just the same as any Paddy. What about all the immigrants going into shops spending their money on clothes, food, videogames, holidays within ireland. Yep they're really scabby aren't they, spending all that money in our country.

Kintarō Hattori

tv3 wrote: »

Im sure you would know a awful lot about a troll:D.I know the truth hurts by there ya go:rolleyes:

tv3 wrote: »

What is your problem dude.You were given the stats now dont go trying adding percentages and the population because you will look more stupid doing that !

I felt I had no choice but to report your posts. The posters here have been trying to have a reasoned discussion with you but you don't want to back your statements up with links. Your responses border on childish which leads me to believe you're nothing but a troll.

AlmightyCushion

tv3 wrote: »

Its very clear you immigrants are screwing the country !You could look it up on the internet that 93% of scamming in ireland are immigrants and that was a report issued in june !
Immigrants do nothing good for ireland,any money they have they ship back to there "poor" country !:eek:

As you can see ive no time for these !:D

I'd like to see some links to back this up. If I don't see them then it would be wise for you to stop posting such nonsense in this thread again. Also stop throwing the troll word around, people.

randylonghorn

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

And the lesson here is, don't believe everything you see on TV.

The TV was quoting people like the government, the ESRI and Forfas. I have no idea whether they were right or wrong, but surely you should be arguing the point with them rather than with DanishViking?

tv3

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

I felt I had no choice but to report your posts. The posters here have been trying to have a reasoned discussion with you but you don't want to back your statements up with links. Your responses border on childish which leads me to believe you're nothing but a troll.

As i said the immigrants do nothing good in my country OK.That is my view and alot of other people would agree with me on it also !Now if you do not like the truth DONT respond to my view/the truth..hope you understand !
Finally i dont like being called a troll as it is a insult which is not tolerated on this site thanks so i will report this.:D

tv3

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

You immigrants. Who are you referring too? Ahhh I can look it up on the internet, that bastion of reliable information. Always a good place to get the facts from. Sure it's on the internet is it, then it must be true.

Really I'm wasting my time arguing with you. When you say that 'Immigrants do nothing good for the country', it really does call into question your level of education, which leads me to believe that its probably not worth having this discussion with you.
There are plenty of immigrants who have settled here, bought houses and apartments, just the same as any Paddy. What about all the immigrants going into shops spending their money on clothes, food, videogames, holidays within ireland. Yep they're really scabby aren't they, spending all that money in our country.

Buying houses,apartments...is that the money from scamming???:eek:I guess yes.And who is paddy???

Karoma

I've always wanted to say this: "tv3 is banned."

Acacia

SimpleSam06 wrote: »

Hahah. Where was the shortage in workers? Why does our economy magically not need them anymore? And as a matter of fact we as you pointed out yourself, are in the EU, where free movement of labour is guaranteed. We were one of the first countries to move on that, but we were bound to do it. I don't recall sending an email to Poland asking for a hand.

Genuine question- why did we need immigrant workers to come here ten or fifteen years ago? I have no problem with immigration myself, I'm just wondering what DanishViking meant by asking workers to come over (I was quite young at the time so I'm not sure what the situation was then :pac:)

I don't like anybody who scams the dole or welfare system, Irish or otherwise.

Kintarō Hattori

Well there were simply more jobs being created than there were local workers. Plus people started to leave jobs such as cleaning, shop assistants etc as they felt they were dead end and that better jobs could be got.

Isn't it rare now to find someone irish in your local fast food place or a deli.

Acacia

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

Well there were simply more jobs being created than here were local workers. Plus people started to leave jobs such as cleaning, shop assistants etc as they felt they were dead end and that better jobs could be got.

Isn't it rare now to find someone irish in your local fast food place or a deli.

Thanks, Kintaro. Yeah, it is rare now to find an Irish person in a fast food place, Spar, etc. It saddens me to think that Irish people can be inhospitable to immigrants- I know many immigrants here who are very hard-working- fair play to them.

JP Liz

foreign feckers

no wonder theres a recession

AnonoBoy

JP Liz wrote: »

[sarcasm]
foreign feckers
no wonder theres a recession[/sarcasm]

Fixed that for you there. I presume that's the tone you were going for.

JP Liz

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Fixed that for you there. I presume that's the tone you were going for.

foreign national feckers should piss off back home

does that sound better

JP Liz

JP Liz wrote: »

foreign national feckers should piss off back home

does that sound better

You're on the wrong message board, you will be more than welcome <SNIP>

JP Liz

a taxi driver on radio said he picked up 3 lithuanians from airport who collected their dole payments and he took them back to the airport again for their flight back

Can you claim payments in different countries

IvySlayer

JP Liz wrote: »

a taxi driver on radio said he picked up 3 lithuanians from airport who collected their dole payments and he took them back to the airport again for their flight back

Can you claim payments in different countries

That's cool, Taxi drivers need their fares in these tough times and all.

walshb

KhanTheMan wrote: »

I met a guy who used to live beside me today in the post office. Hes from Poland and moved home about 6 months ago. He told me he was here with his wife for the day.

Now the best bit. They were signing on collecting their money. I was shocked and it showed and he explained it to me.

They have 3 children and are saying they are living with his brother who still lives here. They went home to Poland and he has a job there. This was his last time signing on but his wife is going to sign on saying she was left in Ireland with the kids. She'll just come over here for the day whenever she needs to sign on on the cheap flights. Even if this is once a week (and im sure its less often than that) it will pay her to do it. And childrens allowance etc too.

Still seeing my shocked face he said that he knows lots of people doing the very same thing, that it was normal.

Unbelievable.

It's just great to know that most of us are getting up every morning to face hrs of traffic and stress, all to pay for this crap!

I am not the least bit surprised and appalud the foreigners for
having the balls to get away with it. We're the ****ing eejits paying
for it!

Acacia

If this true, I'm extremely pissed off, not just cause of the money we're losing, but it gives the anti-immigration folks more vitriol to throw at honest immigrants coming here to work.

It's a fcuking joke, it really is.

walshb

Acacia wrote: »

If this true, I'm extremely pissed off, not just cause of the money we're losing, but it gives the anti-immigration folks more vitriol to throw at honest immigrants coming here to work.

It's a fcuking joke, it really is.

It is true and it's only scratching at the surface!

MarkR

Rabble rabble rabble!

If you heard it from a taxi driver it must be true!

Chucky the tree

If anyone wants some magic beans PM me.

walshb

MarkR wrote: »

Rabble rabble rabble!

If you heard it from a taxi driver it must be true!

So, the alternative is that it's not happening?:rolleyes:

It is happening!

JangoFett

Report them, if it's reported it might encourage an investigation into this kinda of thing!

MrsJohnMurphy

All forms of benefit fraud should be cracked down upon, be it irish people living in Spainish apartments flying home to sign on, or non-Irish flying in here to sign on or people coming over on the ferry to sign on here while signing on in the uk, or non-Irish having kids here and then sending back overseas to be raised by the grand parents while they continue working here and collect the childrens allowance.

Simple methods like people having to sign on at different random days every week or more advanced stuff like biometrics or airport logging should be employed to stop anyone fiddling the system.

mjm

CiaranC

walshb wrote: »

So, the alternative is that it's not happening?:rolleyes:

It is happening!

Lol, if you were going to fly to Dublin to sign on, why would you waste 50% of your free dole money on the taxi fare to and from the airport?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking

"Critical thinking is purposeful and reflective judgment about what to believe or do in response to observations, experience, verbal or written expressions, or arguments."

Húrin

Like most sensible posters, I think that the OP should report this welfare abuse now.

AnonoBoy wrote: »

So she's flying over and back from Poland every week to collect her dole in the post office? Fair play to her - our airlines need all the help they can get these days.

The purpose of our social welfare system is not to subsidise Ryanair.

walshb wrote: »

It's just great to know that most of us are getting up every morning to face hrs of traffic and stress, all to pay for this crap!

I am not the least bit surprised and appalud the foreigners for
having the balls to get away with it. We're the ****ing eejits paying
for it!

I'm sick of this 'bank robber' attitude that anyone who makes money is to be applauded, no matter how they do it. This just wrong, and you know it.

Princessa

23 pages of abusing the polish. I love it!!!

gcgirl

Sorry folks to reck your party But you have to sign on every week at the post office and the people who are ripping off theis country are wearing suits doing it! The F"ucking B(W)ankers!

Fighting Irish

So shocked you reported him?

I say fair ****s to them, if i could get free money i'd take it

KhanTheMan wrote: »

I met a guy who used to live beside me today in the post office. Hes from Poland and moved home about 6 months ago. He told me he was here with his wife for the day.

Now the best bit. They were signing on collecting their money. I was shocked and it showed and he explained it to me.

They have 3 children and are saying they are living with his brother who still lives here. They went home to Poland and he has a job there. This was his last time signing on but his wife is going to sign on saying she was left in Ireland with the kids. She'll just come over here for the day whenever she needs to sign on on the cheap flights. Even if this is once a week (and im sure its less often than that) it will pay her to do it. And childrens allowance etc too.

Still seeing my shocked face he said that he knows lots of people doing the very same thing, that it was normal.

Unbelievable.

youcrazyjesus!

The fraud rate for Irish collecting dole payments is 7% and the fraud rate for non-nationals collecting dole payments is 14%. So yes, non-nationals do commit more fraud than native Irish citizens. I cannot stand this PC brigade nonsense that suggest that anybody who even mentions the world Polish or Romanians is a racist. People are allowed discuss topics.

However, the above statistic means that the vast majority of people, non-nationals and us hairy natives, are decent, hardworking people who don't commit fraud. The battle is between fraudsters and non-fraudsters, not between Irish and people who happen not to be born here. Everybody I know who is committing dole/welfare fraud is Irish so anecdotally, to me, the Irish are law breaking scroungers. But of course that isn't true.

Where there is a weakness in a system, people will exploit it. Where it easier for non-nationals to exploit it than Irish citizens, the percentage will be higher. Where the opposite is true, Irish people will be the worst offenders. It's human nature, not bleedin' foridner nature.

How many of you know somebody in Australia working for cash? Or defrauding the working holiday system to get a 2nd year there?

CiaranC

youcrazyjesus! wrote: »

The fraud rate for Irish collecting dole payments is 7% and the fraud rate for non-nationals collecting dole payments is 14%.

Source?

ziggy

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