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Misogynistic lines/attitudes from porn does it bother you ?

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    #122
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    So the word bitch was eventually dropped from the thread after discussion in feedback,
    so ladies if you do find any post in this site offensive report it.

    Back to the topic of porn becoming mainstream and effecting people.

    Do you think it puts pressure on people to try and preform positions which really are only for camera angles ?


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    #123
    Galvasean
    Registered Users Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    It's a mixed blessing TBH. Personally I've learned a few 'special moves' which have come in quite handy in the past, but I've also heard of people seriously hurting themselves trying out something they saw in a (dirty) movie, kind of like Son of Rambo, only not as charming.
    I stress if one plans acrobatic sex please ensure you know what you are doing and take precautions (stretches, maintain natural fitness levels etc.) as per any sport.


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    #124
    Latchy
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    Thaedydal wrote: »
    Do you think it puts pressure on people to try and preform positions which really are only for camera angles ?
    No ,if you have ever tried any of those angle positions,depending on your body shape you will find they are ney impossible to reproduce as originally seen .But given that your avearge male /female porn star have the bodies of WWF wrestlers they would be the best people to ask .Why i prefer amateur porn ,more realsitic.Some positions are easier to obtain than others .


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    #125
    somethingwitty
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    Being degraded makes me horny.:D


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    #126
    ,8,1
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    Porn is a feminist product and an intrinsic part of feminist society. The idea of misogyny or anti-womanism within porn is absurd.


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    #127
    metrovelvet
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    Thaedydal wrote: »
    Back to the topic of porn becoming mainstream and effecting people.

    Do you think it puts pressure on people to try and preform positions which really are only for camera angles ?

    Not as much as MTV does this to pre-teenagers.


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    #128
    ,8,1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 256 ✭✭,8,1


    Back to the topic of porn becoming mainstream and effecting people.

    Do you think it puts pressure on people to try and preform positions which really are only for camera angles ?

    Not as much as MTV does this to pre-teenagers.

    Quite. Thanks, Judy McGrath, CEO MTV!


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    #129
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    ,8,1 wrote: »
    Porn is a feminist product and an intrinsic part of feminist society.

    What makes you say that ?
    ,8,1 wrote: »
    The idea of misogyny or anti-womanism within porn is absurd.

    it is there in some p0rn.


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    #130
    togster
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    I don't understand how this type of porn has become so mainstream. It does nothing for me. gag scenes are awful imo as are a women getting painted by 12 guys. Obviously there is a market there or else it wouldn't exsist.

    It does degrade women. I don't think you can tarnish all porn with the same brush. Much of it is great, but alot does tend to degrade women.


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    #131
    Kya1976
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    Thaedydal wrote: »
    Back to the topic of porn becoming mainstream and effecting people.

    Do you think it puts pressure on people to try and preform positions which really are only for camera angles ?

    No I really don't think so, for me porn is just a bit of fun I'd be pretty sure most people know that some of these so called camera angel positions isn't gonna be as exciting as it might look.


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    #132
    Dragan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    Thaedydal wrote: »
    One is bawdy banter and a double entendre and the other is demeaning and disrespectful.

    My mother, in her old age and sensibility, has recently embraced technology. She has gone from not being able to send a text message a year ago to happily browsing the web.

    One thing about my mother that has stayed old school however is her lack of appreciation for foul language and smut. In fact, i still get the odd clip around the ear from her for certain jokes i foolishly tell in her company.

    She browses boards, as far as i know. She lurks about DIY and Gardening and the Food and such. These things interest her. She does not, however, post that i am aware of. Nor does she go in After Hours.

    If she did, as a lurker of this site i can assure you that she would find your thread title to be demeaning and disrespectful.

    Do you not see Thae that these things are all about perspective? Is my mother less entitled to take offence at your thread title should she come across it than you are at the one in question?

    You do see how you have basically fallen into the same line of thinking as the people you are giving out about?


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    #133
    Macha
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 6,376 Mod ✭✭✭✭Macha


    I don't think that's a fair comparison to make Dragan. Neither the word porn itself, nor the context of the rest of the words in the title of this thread are degrading or demeaning.

    The issue with the original post in AH was both the use of the word "bitch" and the aggressive, demeaning sentence and first post.

    It wasn't about people kicking up a storm over a particular word, it was the use and context of that word.

    OT - my problem is that sometimes you don't have to go looking for porn to find it. Turn on MTV and it's right there. Porn has its place but these days it's everywhere. And if you don't agree with it, sometimes you're labelled a prude.


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    #134
    Dragan
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    It's basically about taking offence to something you saw on the internet, i am simply pointing out that often times we may have posted something ourselves that has caused someone offence.

    I think it is a perfectly reasonable point to make as it was also about the use and context of the word used. I am also refering to a thread started by Thae in After Hours, not this one.:)


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    #135
    Macha
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    Ah sorry D. Need to go back to bed after watching the debate..zz..


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    #136
    Dragan
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    taconnol wrote: »
    Ah sorry D. Need to go back to bed after watching the debate..zz..

    *grins* It would have helped if i had actually said what thread title i was talking about.

    And i slept for 10 hours last night! :o


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    #137
    shellyboo
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    Dragan wrote: »

    Do you not see Thae that these things are all about perspective? Is my mother less entitled to take offence at your thread title should she come across it than you are at the one in question?

    You do see how you have basically fallen into the same line of thinking as the people you are giving out about?


    This is pretty much the exact point I was trying to make, minus the self-righteous ranting I had in my post :) Spot on, Dragan.


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    #138
    Macha
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 6,376 Mod ✭✭✭✭Macha


    OK one more post on the topic before bed:

    Farohar mentioned a while back about the difference between black and white people using the word "n!gger". I don't know how many of you are familiar with the Indian-Canadian comedian Russell Peters (check him out, he's hilarious). He main thing is jokes about Asian communities both immigrants and in their home countries. Now, I laugh my ass off and so do all the Asians in the audience as he rips the piss but I don't think they would find it so funny if it were a non-Asian person making those jokes..

    Maybe people didn't take offense at Thaed's AH posting because she was female? Dunno, I personally didn't see the post until just now. Just throwing it out there. G'night y'all!


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    #139
    Dudess
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    ,8,1 wrote: »
    Porn is a feminist product and an intrinsic part of feminist society. The idea of misogyny or anti-womanism within porn is absurd.
    Thaedydal wrote: »
    What makes you say that ?
    Take no notice of ,8,1. He is a misogynist with a major axe to grind (but he loves Margaret Thatcher - how original.)

    It would be nice to get some proof that porn is a feminist product. And let's pretend the feminist anti porn movement of the 70s didn't exist. There are many types of feminism and varying degrees of militancy. Porn is seen as empowering by certain types of feminist (although I'm sure they'd draw a line at e.g. Max Hardcore stuff). But according to ,8,1 all feminists, irrespective of where they fit in the vast landscape that is feminism, are man-hating loons...


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    #140
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Dragan I already addressed that in the thread in feedback and am not rehashing it here.


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    #141
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Dudess wrote: »
    Take no notice of ,8,1. He is a misogynist with a major axe to grind (but he loves Margaret Thatcher - how original.)

    It would be nice to get some proof that porn is a feminist product. And let's pretend the feminist anti porn movement of the 70s didn't exist. There are many types of feminism and varying degrees of militancy. Porn is seen as empowering by certain types of feminist (although I'm sure they'd draw a line at e.g. Max Hardcore stuff). But according to ,8,1 all feminists, irrespective of where they fit in the vast landscape that is feminism, are man-hating loons...

    Thing is sexual liberation was about given women and men more choices not about making stripper style and pron styles THE standard for a sexual being.


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    #142
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Exactly. But according to ,8,1, due to the fact that sexual liberation was an integral part of the feminist movement (well, unless you were Andrea Dworkin and pretty much opposed to women giving men sexual pleasure) that obviously means feminists are also responsible for, and advocates of, the really nasty hardcore stuff featuring DVDA (double vaginal, double anal), bukkake, violence, asphyxiation etc... :rolleyes:


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    #143
    Dragan
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    Thaedydal wrote: »
    Dragan I already addressed that in the thread in feedback and am not rehashing it here.

    Actually you addressed a similar point, but not my point. Either way, i have taken my questions for you to Feedback as requested.


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    #144
    John Mason
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    personally, i find pussy a more offence word then swallow


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    #145
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Andrea Dworkin was anti porn, anti rape, anti sexual harrashment and sexual discrimination
    that doesn't mean she was anti women and men getting it on, ok personally it wasn't her thing but that doesn't mean she was anti sex or anti sexuality.


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    #146
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    pink fluffy bunny wrote: »
    personally, i find pussy a more offence word then swallow

    If you have an issue with a post then report it.


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    #147
    Macha
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    Thaedydal wrote: »
    Andrea Dworkin was anti porn, anti rape, anti sexual harrashment and sexual discrimination
    that doesn't mean she was anti women and men getting it on, ok personally it wasn't her thing but that doesn't mean she was anti sex or anti sexuality.

    True, I think a lot of people take the particular form of sexuality that is prevalent today and see it as their only option. Sexuality doesn't have to be in-your-face or demeaning to men or women (unless that's what floats their boat..).

    And you don't have to like porn to like sex. I think there's a lot of discrimination against the lads of boards, especially in the PI forum when posters assume that all men look at porn, all men are dying to cheat on their partners at the first chance, etc.

    For me, that's the opposite of sexual liberation - that's just shoving people into another pigeon hole with a different label.


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    #148
    Dragan
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    Thaedydal wrote: »
    Andrea Dworkin was anti porn, anti rape, anti sexual harrashment and sexual discrimination
    that doesn't mean she was anti women and men getting it on, ok personally it wasn't her thing but that doesn't mean she was anti sex or anti sexuality.

    Actually i would agree. Andrea Dworkin had some horrible things happen to her in her life and i always respected the fact that unlike other prominant feminist writers she never let that colour her view of "males" as an total entity.

    Well, from what i have read of her stuff anyway.


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    #149
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    taconnol wrote: »
    And you don't have to like porn to like sex. I think there's a lot of discrimination against the lads of boards, especially in the PI forum when posters assume that all men look at porn, all men are dying to cheat on their partners at the first chance, etc.

    For me, that's the opposite of sexual liberation - that's just shoving people into another pigeon hole with a different label.
    Yeah, this utter incredulity at the prospect of a man not wanting to watch porn...


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    #150
    Dragan
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    Dudess wrote: »
    Yeah, this utter incredulity at the prospect of a man not wanting to watch porn...

    Hardly surprising. We get pigeon-holed on a daily basis on boards. No real point in complaining about it as we all know that generalities never work and their is normally a common factor among the people who deal in them! :)


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    #151
    Macha
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    Dragan wrote: »
    Hardly surprising. We get pigeon-holed on a daily basis on boards. No real point in complaining about it as we all know that generalities never work and their is normally a common factor among the people who deal in them! :)
    I have to admit, Dragan, that I was a wee bit oblivious to male discrimination before I wandered in here & read some of your posts. :o

    Same way when I lived in Norway, I was oblivious to the racism. Duh, I'm blond and tall. But my Vietnamese friend assured me it was alive and well.


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