Irishmen in the UK forces

Fratton Fred

do we really need to drag a politics discussion onto the Military board?

minidazzler

Perestroika wrote: »

Well thats not what I am opposing here, as much as I believe that conventional armies are doomed.




Not join the British Army anyway.



Of course it doesn't. What is your definition of rogue? Do you include the highest levels of the British Army and intellegence in this analysis? The point is anyone who joins the Brit army is representing the blood stained flag of that uniform, the uniform of an imperialist and oppressive army, one that is very active in that agenda today. Sin é.


Not that any of this is on topic, but civilian casulties were low anyway for a war of its length. However, I assume in your sums that you just ignored the casulties at the hands of BA/*Insert Paramilitary Group* collusion.

Again off-topic but now that you've said it. I know hundreds that would disagree with you. Abuse, etc.

1. I agree conventional armies will become more "efficient" (read: Smaller) in future.

2. Why not? Given that it is not the same people.

3. Can you provide irrefutable proof of this or are you going to give anecdotal proof.

4. What about the deaths at the Hands of the IRA? Bombing civilian pubs and other sorts. (but they were only protestants sure!!!)

5. Hundreds of cases of abuse out of millions of searches. I like those odds.


My views expressed here relate entirely to the time after the handing over of Ireland.

cherrypicker555

>>>>>>>>>>The point is anyone who joins the Brit army is representing the blood stained flag of that uniform, the uniform of an imperialist and oppressive army>>


Its actually the uniform of the army of a country which is the worlds oldest democracy and a country which brought the world everything from antibiotics to hundreds of other inventions, whos army has won more battles then any other and whos empire was even greater then that of Rome, the uniform of an army that with others defeated Hitler.

Get your facts right sunshine, (jealousy is a terrible thing btw).

getz

i was talking to a northern irish woman last night and she told me a story-that a few years ago during the troubles in belfast-her mother who was then in her late 80s had a bad fall so the woman who lives in the uk went back over to nurse her for a few weeks .as she is a catholic the mother lived in the nationalist side of belfast at the end of the street the army had a road block as it was the middle of winter she felt sorry for the young lads and took them a cup of tea -that night they had a visit from the boys-she had no choice but to bring her old and ill mother back with her to the uk--so it seams the big brave IRA also terriorised there own this must only be the tip of the iceburg

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We don,t necessarily discriminate.we simply exclude certain types of people

Hagar

Ok, enough politics and anecdotal tales. Let's not turn this into the tit for tat political point scoring that seem to be more at home in other forums. While there is a political facet to the argument it is only one facet and becoming less significant as time goes on. Lets get back on topic.

Zambia

Perestroika wrote: »

Not join the British Army anyway.

By that comment you have basically accepted you know of no other alternative. So you are of little help to man nor beast move on...

You should come live in the north we have tons of people who specialise in knowing how not to move forward.

Evd-Burner

Its all in the past, its all older generation people holding prejudices and grudges on one another and by older i mean 20+, most young people if not forced to believe otherwise(yes FORCED), would not have any problems as its in the past.

elvis jaffacake

I have to agree with the man saying Irish people should not join the British army......join the RM's, much better lad's, you don't want to be a pongo or God help you, a para:eek:

Duffers

elvis jaffacake wrote: »

I have to agree with the man saying Irish people should not join the British army......join the RM's, much better lad's, you don't want to be a pongo or God help you, a para:eek:

GEN!!!

cyrusdvirus

DublinDes wrote: »

And they could also think about joining the - Ulster Volunteer Force, Ulster Defence Association, Loyalist Volunter Force, Ulster Freedom Fighters, Red Hand Commandos, Protestant Volunteers, Ulster Vanguard,and Paisley's Third Force and Ulster Resistance.

You know what, i was gonna stay out of this one until i saw THIS tripe...

I'd reckon that the Royal Marines (along with just about EVERY other professional outfit in the world) would love to have a crack at that bunch of thugs you mentioned. Adn then have a go at the republican thugs.

There is a huge difference between a repulican/loyalist terrorist group (those of you who have more that 2 brain cells to rub together, read 'bunch of thugs' for 'terrorist group' ) and a professional force.

Hagar

I've already asked for the politics of NI. to be sidelined. If we can't discuss this without "my unit would beat your Irish thug ass" then I'm locking the thread.

Anyone wants to start up a thread on the guerrilla war tactics used by the paramilitaries and the security forces counter insurgency tactics that's fine by me and would make a great debate, just leave out the reasons for the conflict and discuss the conflict itself.

Remember the old addage "Ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do and die.". That should be in the Charter, it would cover political debate nicely.

cyrusdvirus

Apologies Hagar, i was reading through the thread and posted that before i got to your request

Hagar

No probs, I'm just trying to get people to leave NI Politics behind.
The Battle between 1690 and 1916 is still being fought on a daily basis in the Politics Forum. Still no winner.

marco murphy

Not sure if this is representative of most Irishmen in the UK forces...

http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00761ca7.jpg
http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00762tt7.jpg

minidazzler

Perestroika wrote: »

Not sure if this is representative of most Irishmen in the UK forces...

http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00761ca7.jpg
http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00762tt7.jpg

Highly unlikely that would be representitive most of the ladds we are discussing. (i.e. Lads from the south.)

And that is 2 pictures of maximum 7 different people, and then maybe a few more, but to say most is a highly unsubstantiated claim. Besides it was most likely done in jest.

tribulus

What happened to their SA80's in the second pic!

profitandseer

Perestroika wrote: »

Not sure if this is representative of most Irishmen in the UK forces...

http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00761ca7.jpg
http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00762tt7.jpg

Well the UDR has been incorporated into the RIR, so there will be a minority of loyalists, but there are NCOs and officers from the south.

These lads are just posing, in the same way some Celtic fans are armchair PIRA supporters.

I wouldnt let it upset you.

Leadership

The "No Surrender" is more a statement to the Taliban so as said above its not worth going into a hissy fit about it.

Hagar

"No Surrender" on a UFV flag is directed at the Taliban?

I don't buy it.

I've asked for NI politics to be left out of this thread but I'm being ignored.

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