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Cash In Transit Convoys..

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    #62
    TheNog
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    Darragh29 wrote: »
    Why you you think that military vehicles drive with their headlamps on and with unique number plates that fall outside of the RTA???

    A Garda cannot legally stop a military vehicle, no matter what the circumstances...

    I remember reading something on this alright but can't recall exactly what it is. Must look it up.

    Can Gardai not stop a Military vehicle even if it is speeding on a public road or if the driver is believed to be drunk? Not even to determine the driver details?


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    #63
    Victor
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    I imagine that the escorted vehicle can operate in a semi-exempt fashion if it is following the reasonable instructions of a garda "Get the fook outta here, quick!!".
    TheNog wrote: »
    Can Gardai not stop a Military vehicle even if it is speeding on a public road or if the driver is believed to be drunk? Not even to determine the driver details?
    No. However, one call to the Military Police and that driver might be in serious trouble.

    I saw a newly re-painted coach on Friday that looked like it had previously been involved in an accident - one of the luggage doors was bashed in, the front left wheel looked awfully wobbly and if it exceeded 5km/h it was making an awful unidentified screeching noise. The wheel looked like it was ready to come off. I called the local garda station and they said they'd check it out, only for the coach to turn into the local barracks. I told the garda that and he said they'd need to seek permission to inspect it.


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    #64
    Silvera
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    Darragh29 wrote: »
    Why you you think that military vehicles drive with their headlamps on and with unique number plates that fall outside of the RTA???

    Defence Force vehicles drive with dipped lights on for safety reasons - just like Garda vehicles and lots of private motorists. (It not only DF vehicles in convoy that use dipped headlamps during daylight hours ...I have seen single DF vehicles on public roads doing so for many years now).

    Defence Force vehicles are not legally required to have any number plates on display. However in practice they have always used reg plates. The use of black plates (with silver digits...i.e. as used on most pre-1987 Irish vehicles) makes sense for camoflague reasons. (Many DF vehicles used solely on public roads, e.g. buses, often use standard 'euro' plates).

    I very much doubt that gardai cannot legally stop DF vehicles while in use on public roads?! Legal/Statuatory source for this??

    Re previous posts -

    Do some people here not realise that they can be prosecuted for motoring offences by gardai WITHOUT actually being stopped there-and-then ?!
    This can be done by issuing a 'non-intercept' fixed charge penalty notice or by summons.


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    #65
    Darragh29
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    TheNog wrote: »
    I remember reading something on this alright but can't recall exactly what it is. Must look it up.

    Can Gardai not stop a Military vehicle even if it is speeding on a public road or if the driver is believed to be drunk? Not even to determine the driver details?

    As far as I know, they don't. Having said that, if a soldier went beserk with his Styer and started shooting people while standing outside the bank, I doubt the Gardai would be waiting for an MP to come along to deal with the matter!
    Silvera wrote: »
    Defence Force vehicles drive with dipped lights on for safety reasons - just like Garda vehicles and lots of private motorists. (It not only DF vehicles in convoy that use dipped headlamps during daylight hours ...I have seen single DF vehicles on public roads doing so for many years now).

    If you are driving a military vehicle and do not have your dip lights on, you can be charged with an offence under military law... It is a DF regulation that vehicles MUST be driven with dip lights always on...


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    #66
    towel401
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    Darragh29 wrote: »
    As far as I know, they don't. Having said that, if a soldier went beserk with his Styer and started shooting people while standing outside the bank, I doubt the Gardai would be waiting for an MP to come along to deal with the matter!

    they'd at least have to wait till the Steyr is empty..


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    #67
    guil
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    Darragh29 wrote: »

    A Garda cannot legally stop a military vehicle, no matter what the circumstances...
    i think ur wrong, my gf da is a bq and he said they were stopped one day by a squad car


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    #68
    TheNog
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    guil07 wrote: »
    i think ur wrong, my gf da is a bq and he said they were stopped one day by a squad car

    Mind the auld text speak will ye


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    #69
    Wishbone Ash
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    macplaxton wrote: »
    Are you sure?

    I would have said it was obliged not to use the outside lane of a motorway (the lane nearest the centre median - which could be lane 2,3,4) unless the stretch had a limit of below 80km/h.

    So in the case of a 2 lane piece of motorway, correct. In the rare instances of 3 and 4 lane stretches (and those with 80km/h or less speed limits) incorrect. ;)
    Yes, I have already clarified that!


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    Victor
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    guil07 wrote: »
    i think ur wrong, my gf da is a bq and he said they were stopped one day by a squad car
    There is a difference between "must stop" and "can stop".


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    #71
    Wishbone Ash
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    guil07 wrote: »
    i think ur wrong, my gf da is a bq and he said they were stopped one day by a squad car
    'bq' :confused:


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    #72
    Darragh29
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    guil07 wrote: »
    i think ur wrong, my gf da is a bq and he said they were stopped one day by a squad car

    This was a big thing when I was doing cash escorts, you stop for nobody and follow standard operating procedures that I won't get into here. If there is an accident and Gardai are controlling the scene of an accident, obviously your stuck if there is an obstacle and comon sense prevails. There are standard procedures for responding to these situations... Obviously if you drive into a Garda checkpoint, you don't crash it through it! But if you are asked to get out of the vehicle, or pull in, unless you want to spend the rest of your week in the brig with MP's questioning you, you'll get the fu*k outa there!


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    #73
    Victor
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    Wishbone Ash wrote: »
    'bq' :confused:
    BQMS - Battalion Quarter Master Sergeant.


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    #74
    [Deleted User]
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    Victor wrote: »
    BQMS - Battalion Quarter Master Sergeant.

    not obvious watsoever


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    #75
    Paulzx
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    guil07 wrote: »
    i think ur wrong, my gf da is a bq and he said they were stopped one day by a squad car


    A military vehicle on normal day to day business can of course be stopped by the Gardai. A military driver that commits a serious traffic offence will probably be charged under military law but can also be charged under the civilian law aswell if the offence is commited on a public road.

    To say that a military driver can refuse to stop at a Garda checkpoint purely on the basis he is driving a military vehicle is inaccurate. Military vehicles do not display tax disks etc. I have never seen a military vehicle on the road without a civilian number plate although i am unsure as to whether they are required.

    I know of military drivers who received speeding fines whilst driving military vehicles after getting caught by the Gatso van


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    #76
    Wishbone Ash
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    Paulzx wrote: »
    Military vehicles do not display tax disks
    I thought that they were required to display a tax disc but with €0.00 on it (just like other state vehicles)?


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    #77
    TheNog
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    Wishbone Ash wrote: »
    I thought that they were required to display a tax disc but with €0.00 on it (just like other state vehicles)?

    I thought that too. Only for military jeeps and trucks that drive on Irish roads though


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    #78
    Paulzx
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    My memory is that there wasn't any discs on the windscreens. Maybe i'm wrong. I'm sure someone will confirm for us if they get a look at one today


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    #79
    Poccington
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    I'm not too sure myself whether they have tax discs or not. I'll have a peek at one of the Nissan's in work tomorrow and see if it's there or not.


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    #80
    Poccington
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    Darragh29 wrote: »
    This was a big thing when I was doing cash escorts, you stop for nobody and follow standard operating procedures that I won't get into here. If there is an accident and Gardai are controlling the scene of an accident, obviously your stuck if there is an obstacle and comon sense prevails. There are standard procedures for responding to these situations... Obviously if you drive into a Garda checkpoint, you don't crash it through it! But if you are asked to get out of the vehicle, or pull in, unless you want to spend the rest of your week in the brig with MP's questioning you, you'll get the fu*k outa there!

    Any Garda that tried to pull over a Military Convoy of any sort would be causing themselves more hassle than they'd want :D


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    #81
    Silvera
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    Irish Defence Force (IDF) vehicles DO NOT display tax discs.

    Also, as I stated before, IDF vehicles are also exempt from displaying number plates (though in practice the IDF have always registered their vehicles).

    I have seen the occasional IDF vehicle on the road without number plates, albeit vehicle being evaluated - e.g. armoured jeep on test (see attached photo - not taken by me) and a Piranaha III APC on the Naas Road many years ago - it had a small front reg plate with 'PIR III' on it. I recall thinking at the time 'why has a new army apc got an old Offaly reg on it?' ('IR' was pre-87 Offaly reg). It later dawned on me that it was just a made-up 'model number' plate, i.e. PIR III = Piranaha III :D

    NB The British army (as with other armies I presume) use military 'trade plates' when testing new vehicles. This photo shows a new URO military jeep on test in Dublin by Irish Army personel (n.b. - no reg plate;))


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    #82
    guil
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    Darragh29 wrote: »
    This was a big thing when I was doing cash escorts, you stop for nobody and follow standard operating procedures that I won't get into here. If there is an accident and Gardai are controlling the scene of an accident, obviously your stuck if there is an obstacle and comon sense prevails. There are standard procedures for responding to these situations... Obviously if you drive into a Garda checkpoint, you don't crash it through it! But if you are asked to get out of the vehicle, or pull in, unless you want to spend the rest of your week in the brig with MP's questioning you, you'll get the fu*k outa there!
    ah sorry i thought ya meant that a guard couldnt stop a military vehicle at any time


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    #83
    pa990
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    guil07 wrote: »
    i think ur wrong, my gf da is a bq and he said they were stopped one day by a squad car

    your good friends father was dressed up as a Bar-B-Que, and the local gardai stopped him...

    tut tut tut.. thats just awful

    they would be better off catching some speeders


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    #84
    Terrontress
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    Onkle wrote: »
    It was discussed on newstalk last year, not sure if it was here or the north

    Soldiers in the North don't do cash in transit. I'm sure Ireland is in the minority in that regard so if it is a soldier assaulting a woman over a cash convoy it will have been here.

    I used to work in AIB Bankcentre and you would see the guys going in to use the toilets, buy something from the shop etc before their convoy would leave. Having said hello to them a few times and seen their interactions with other people and they all seemed like decent guys. If an Irish soldier assaulted a woman in such a way he is obviously just a psycho and has no place in any civilised society.


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