Being overtaken when doing the speed limit

SV

Overheal wrote: »

Oh, thank god, a Guess! Well that settles it for me. So when you mistake that pothole for a puddle and drive right through it going 160kmph have one of your loved ones send us a written retraction from the funeral home.

because you assume i'll crash?
You assume I don't know what to do in a situation like that? good chap!


oh and http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-407521/Only-20-road-accidents-caused-breaking-speed-limit.html
"Accidents were far more likely to be caused by drivers failing to pay attention and making mistakes, or pedestrians not looking properly." Turned out to be a fairly ****ing good guess ey? :rolleyes:

g'man. oh and that one is based on actual statistics..not a couple of **** sitting down and scaring people into going 1mph over the speed limit.

JimmyCrackCorn!

Overheal wrote: »

Oh, thank god, a Guess! Well that settles it for me. So when you mistake that pothole for a puddle and drive right through it going 160kmph have one of your loved ones send us a written retraction from the funeral home.

And how would the resuld be different at 120km or even 100km. Modern cars arnt crash tested over 30mph.

Inappropriate use of speed kills yes.

Its just a silly argument that speed is what kills everyone on our roads. Last year how many drivers had alcahol in there system in fatal incidents. Many other reasons lead to fatalities. It is very easy to put speed as a factor in an accident because a vehicle is moving > 30mph your already at a speed that is capable of killing you.

Its not just one factor its many. Speed can be used sensably but saying that overtaking someone in a 60km zone @ 70km is going to cause devistation and carnage is just misguided.

Overheal

ClioV6 wrote: »

oh and http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-407521/Only-20-road-accidents-caused-breaking-speed-limit.html
"Accidents were far more likely to be caused by drivers failing to pay attention and making mistakes, or pedestrians not looking properly." Turned out to be a fairly ****ing good guess ey? :rolleyes:

Your interesting article intrigues me genuinely. Perhaps we could discuss this over a drag race next thursday? In the interest of safety though lets forgo the traditional pre-game drink-off.

JimmyCrackCorn! wrote: »

Inappropriate use of speed kills yes.

Under what conditions are we talking about here? I can see the temptation to speed on the motorway, but I lived in Clare: there aint nowhere in Clare where you feel safe driving at the posted speed limit. One lane roads, fecking tractors, blindspots everywhere.

The hint may be in the use of the words "Inappropriate use of speed" the legal limit may be 80kmh, but anyone with an ounce (30 ish grammes) of sense knows that you can't get around that bend at over 40kmh.

You can easily be killed on the road when driving below the speed limit!

JB04

ClioV6 wrote: »

2 points in exchange for getting on my own side of road quicker and not risking a crash is 2 points I could live with.

Get your 2 points. Get them 6 times, and then you will not have to worry about how quick it takes to get back to your side of the road. There is nothing wrong with overtaking, if you can do it legally, safely and without exceeding the speed limit.

Overheal

Overheal wrote: »

Oh, thank god, a Guess! Well that settles it for me. So when you mistake that pothole for a puddle and drive right through it going 160kmph have one of your loved ones send us a written retraction from the funeral home.

bit over the top?

Saruman

What really bugs me is the 80kph brigade.. you know the drivers that stick to 80kph no matter what the speed limit is. Could be 100kph clear straight national road and they hold everyone up at 80kph forcing people to overtake them. Then when they drive through a town where the speed limit is 50kph.... do they slow down? Of course not.. they sail through at 80kph believing themselves in this bubble of righteousness for holding up all the drivers who want to go faster than them for the last 20km.

h_baby

Saruman wrote: »

What really bugs me is the 80kph brigade.. you know the drivers that stick to 80kph no matter what the speed limit is. Could be 100kph clear straight national road and they hold everyone up at 80kph forcing people to overtake them. Then when they drive through a town where the speed limit is 50kph.... do they slow down? Of course not.. they sail through at 80kph believing themselves in this bubble of righteousness for holding up all the drivers who want to go faster than them for the last 20km.

Yes, this drives me crazy. My mother is guilty of this. Goes at 70-80kmph and does the same going through villages at that are 50kmph! She never realises it until she's passed the village!!

Blazer

Wertz wrote: »

You're hindering the progress of following drivers...what speed limit they choose to travel at is none of your concern, particularly if they're overtaking or attempting to overtake you (it may be of some concern if they're the type of asshole that likes to sit 2 metres from your rear bumper).
This attitude of "Oh I'm doing 120kmph and all those naughty people behind me flashing their lights can just ease up on the juice and stick to the limit" is going to cause accidents on the motorways and DCs...blocking the overtaking lane by not clearing it once you're past the vehicle(s) on the inside leads to tailgating, frustration and undertaking in the inside lane.
If I or anyone else decide to break the limit then it's not for anyone else (except the gardaí) to take us to task. Doing 140 or 150kmph when conditions are safe and the traffic is right (ie no-one sitting in the outside lane) isn't dangerous...it's dickheads merging at half the speed limit, those who fail to indicate whilst changing lanes and lorry drivers with their limiters switched off who are a lot more likely to cause an incident (like the one on the M1 at Dunleer on wed morning which more or less closed the road for 2 hours).
Yopu mention you just passed your test recently, hence you're now allowed out on the mway legally...even though you've never driven on it before and haven't been coached in how to do so...it's best that you follow the RotR and obey lane etiquette, instead of worrying abot what other drivers choose to do with their cars...

+1 A good sensible post there...I'll share my road with you anyday

samhail

What i thought was absolutely legend one day.
It was a while back and not 100% sure where it was. perhaps on the road down to limerick from dublin.
there was a truck about 2 or 3 cars in front of me, and i could see that there were at least another 2 trucks in front of him, with the car in the middle of them.

The road was quite wide, single lane both ways, had a painted partition (the squiggly lines) in the middle the size of a lane. It was S-Bends all the way for the past few miles, and S-Bends for the next few miles.

All of a sudden this truck is in the middle partition overtaking all the cars, all the trucks... i was like good god !
Obviously the truck driver knew the road inside out.

I stayed well behind !

sinlessgunner

I drive a jap import but I am a safe driver, I'm no boy racer I obey speed limits and I'm courteous to others but for some reason, and its always always men in their 40's, people driving Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar, Porsche.....list goes on, think that I should be driving at the speed of light. It never happened in my other car (a renault megane) but now they stick up my a**e, flashing and beeping when I'm driving at the speed limit! One guy actually stuck his finger up at me when he overtook me driving at about 140kmph on a 80kmph stretch of road.

When on a road where a person can't overtake and one of these idiots starts flashing I actually slow down even more. Why should my life be put in danger by a mid-life crisis hit gobs***e blinding me because I refuse to break the speed limit!!

Rant over

Morrisseeee

interesting post 'sinlessgunner'
My experience is seeing people doing 150/160kmph every moring/evening on the dual-cabbageway. I've seen plently of incidents of road-rage because of this, drivers move out to SLOW down the 'Eddie Irvines' of this world, meanwhile 'Eddie Irvine' is flashing/beeping/fingering etc, its THEIR road afterall !!!!!!!

dreamer_ire

Anyone who has ever driven on motorways in France will have seen a lesson is the proper utilisation of the overtaking lanes. My experience from last year was that no one uses them unless they are overtaking and as soon as they have they pull in. It doesn't matter if they are going to overtake another vehicle in a few minutes they pull in. I think many of our drivers could take a lesson from this.

Wertz

JB04 wrote: »

If you need to exceed the speed limit to overtake, then you shouldn't be overtaking.

Sorry but IMO that's complete horsesh*t.
Someone doing 10 k under the limit is holding following traffic up...but the road being travelled may only have smaller opportunity windows for a safe overtaking maneuver, be it because of bends or continuous white lines or whatever...on a single carriageway national or secondary route, the inherent danger is being on the wrong side of the road for a momnet longer than is necessary, NOT being 20kmph above the limit for 10 seconds. By getting up to 120-130kmph, you clear the slower car and can pull in more quickly, THEN lay off the juice (or brake if you prefer). By this means you also allow more cars to take their opportunity to overtake, rather than having to leave it until the next safe/legal place.
I don't cross white lines, or hatchings, but I hvae absolutely no problem increasing my speed when it is LEGAL to overtake on that stretch of tarmac.
I'll happily tell the judge the same, I'll happily take my points and my fine....but I will not put myself and others at risk by drving on thwe wrong side of the road at the posted limit and I hope to god I never meet you coming the other way if you are...

Morrisseeee

Ahem.......would those drivers who have NEVER broken the spped limit, please stand up !!!!!
Eh..... look at that, there's nobody standing up..........

Captain Slow IRL

JB04 wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with overtaking, if you can do it legally, safely and without exceeding the speed limit.

Have you driven on many "N" or "R" roads?

In Ireland?

Dudess

Morrisseeee wrote: »

Ahem.......would those drivers who have NEVER broken the spped limit, please stand up !!!!!
Eh..... look at that, there's nobody standing up..........

Oh believe me, they're probably still in bed - there's a handful of them all right who insist they wouldn't even do 62 or 63 mph on a quiet dual carriageway (speed limit 60 before anyone barges in with the usual incorrect "eh... the speed limit on the dual carriageway is 70 :rolleyes:" comments - that's the motorway, dudes! ).

Boskowski

First of the OP should'nt get obsessed with what others are doing but should rather mind his own business unless these others are endangering him. Period.
I you do get annoyed by someone overtaken you while you doing the speed limit so that this other one must clearly break the speed limit so what? Have you some sort of control issue? Where I come from a lot of people seem to have this policing hobby streak in them to the extent of 'us' havin a bit of a reputation for that. And it's not a positive reputation.

On some of the other comments.

Some of you are advocating the speed limits being too low. IMHO that's rubbish. In general people think they are a lot better drivers than they really are. A lot of you guys go back to an era in this country where you now have a driving license that you obtained by simply drivin for several years as a completely untrained driver. You never had safety training and you never had to listen to lessons on the most basics fundamentals of the physics of driving. Still you think you're great drivers. Needless to say almost 100% males. Hate to break the news you're most likely not, far from it. Especially when your advocatin higher speed limits. Clearly shows to me you haven't a clue.

Irish roads are bad (bar the most recent developments) and the Irish standard of driving in general is awful. People are liable to do anything here, one reason why I just wouldn't ride a bike here although I consider myself an experienced enough biker. It's just suicidal here. People are oblivious the most basic rules of the road like right of way for pedestrians, watching out for cyclists & bikers, indicating, going to the far right in your lane when turning right rather than blockin the entire road. I could go on for hours. Irish people as a generalized whole a very, very bad drivers. It's not their fault but their governments. A car is potentially a very dangerous weapon and the whole L driver concept is completely ridiculous.

Most of the Irish roads actually have way too high speed limits due to the fact that the speed limits were blindly applied by road 'class' rather than being an actual match to that particular stretch of road. It's ****in ridicolous, you have 100km/h signs 50m from entering 2 hairpin bends with no further warning, that kinda stuff. Most country roads are not fit whatsoever for 80 km/h. And lots of stretches of road that are deemed National Roads are no way fit for 100km/h either. The few miles of proper motorway where you could actually up the limit are miniscule compared to that.

On top you should not only take into account how good you and your car are (or most likely 'think' you are) but how well you could deal with the unexpected and with the fact that even if you are that good most of the others are clearly not and that makes well up for it.

On all roads but the newest roads the speed limits are either ok or should be lowered. The whole L driver thing should be completely abandoned. Then the road deaths would actually come down.

tech77

Dudess wrote: »

Oh believe me, they're probably still in bed - there's a handful of them all right who insist they wouldn't even do 62 or 63 mph on a quiet dual carriageway (speed limit 60 before anyone barges in with the usual incorrect "eh... the speed limit on the dual carriageway is 70 :rolleyes:" comments - that's the motorway, dudes! ).

Eh, the DC 100kph translates into (approx.) 62.5mph not 60mph.
That 2.5mph is important to me, believe me-
-If i'm going to rigidly stick to a DC limit (gardai on road/fear of getting more points etc) it may as well be the full 62.5, not 60.
Squeeze all the mph out of it as possible (legally).

SV

Overheal wrote: »

Your interesting article intrigues me genuinely. Perhaps we could discuss this over a drag race next thursday? In the interest of safety though lets forgo the traditional pre-game drink-off.

Ah good chap, good way to concede there without making yourself look like a total ****ing idiot.

JB04 wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with overtaking, if you can do it legally, safely and without exceeding the speed limit.

Yeah..you seem like a fairly inexperienced driver if you reckon that's a valid statement..either that or a bit stupid.

JimmyCrackCorn!

JimmyCrackCorn! wrote: »

Fantastic. This is the two wrongs make a right argument.

Its wrong to speed but its ok to lane hog because of some self richous belief. I love it. Thats jsut made my night that has.

Read the thread properly - The OP was talking about a single lane road, so why should he have to move over if he's doing the speed limit??

Let me f*cking tell you all something, 5 years ago I was in a car, about to turn right out of a junction, as the car I was in made the turn, the car coming from the right decided to pull into the hard shoulder, even though he was driving the speed limit, to allow a truck who was putting pressure on him to overtake, the truck driver put his foot down to overtake and hit my car on the wrong side of the road, killing my two children.

I'd like you to this of that next time you think speeding and overtaking won't harm anyone.

sam34

ClioV6 wrote: »

That's not up to you to decide what I should be doing on the road

thats true, our laws dictate what speed people should be doing on the road, and how they should be behaving. taking the decision that you are above the law and can drive how you like because you/your car can handle it, leaves you open to penalties and prosecution. good enough for you, imo.

ottostreet

IMO, there are two types of "exceeding the speed limit"...there is "speeding" and "inappropraite speed". i drive very sensibly in congested areas, urban areas, and in more cramped roads. BUT, on the open road, i drop the hammer, and can regularly be found cruising at 85-90mph. ive been caught speeding. like a fool, i forgot to slow down driving through a notorious garda watch point, and was caught. i put my hand up. BUT, was what i was doing dangerous? no. clear road. could see about a mile ahead. extremely wide. and i was the only car. ah well. the whole attitude of "well 62.5mph is the speed limit. any more, and god will wreak his vengeance (?!) is RIDICULOUS. confident, assertive driving and correct use of procedure at junctions, roundabouts, and driving on motorways without this social stigma attached to "speeding" will reduce deaths. i don't, for one moment, condone inappropriate speed though. by which, i mean 80kph in a town, or hooring it around a car park. how often are the people who drive 20-25000 miles a year crashing? after all, these are the ones speeding. but, according to the government, its LEARNERS that are the problem. interesting...

AlmightyCushion

Deleted User wrote: »

If this was aimed at me I really think you are one sick b*stard.

It seemed like a general statement aimed at noone in particular.

Also he says.

confident, assertive driving and correct use of procedure at junctions, roundabouts, and driving on motorways without this social stigma attached to "speeding" will reduce deaths

Given your description of what happened to you above, I can't see how the driver use the correct procedure at that junction which leads me to believe that it wasn't aimed at you.

SV

sam34 wrote: »

thats true, our laws dictate what speed people should be doing on the road, and how they should be behaving. taking the decision that you are above the law and can drive how you like because you/your car can handle it, leaves you open to penalties and prosecution. good enough for you, imo.

Yep, that's grand by me.


Just don't think it's anything to do with you whether I am prosecuted or not.

ottostreet

Deleted User wrote: »

If this was aimed at me I really think you are one sick b*stard.

no. this was not aimed at you. i apologize sincerely if there appears to be anything malicious, its completely unintended.

ottostreet

ottostreet wrote: »

no. this was not aimed at you. i apologize sincerely if there appears to be anything malicious, its completely unintended.

slight overreaction on my apart, sincerest apologies!

AlmightyCushion

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Given your description of what happened to you above, I can't see how the driver use the correct procedure at that junction which leads me to believe that it wasn't aimed at you.

Just to clarify, the driver of my car used exactly the correct procedure, he took the right turn with plenty of time - the problem was that as he arrived on the other side of the road, the overtaking, speeding, truck was now on the wrong side of the road, leaving us in his path.

I'm guessing you meant to say can rather than can't in that statement?or maybe you meant the driver who pulled into the hard shoulder....
hmmmm, maybe i'm being slighty oversensitive here!

ottostreet

i didn't read the last few posts, which ive just done. i feel terrible now. my statement about children was more in reference to that simpsons-style satire. ill edit that.

AlmightyCushion

Deleted User wrote: »

Just to clarify, the driver of my car used exactly the correct procedure, he took the right turn with plenty of time - the problem was that as he arrived on the other side of the road, the overtaking, speeding, truck was now on the wrong side of the road, leaving us in his path.

I'm guessing you meant to say can rather than can't in that statement?

When I said driver I meant truck driver/other driver not the driver of your car, probably should have clarified that a bit better. I doubt they followed the correct procedure. Anyways, I'm sorry to hear about your loss, I can't imagine what it would be like to lose a child.

ottostreet

ottostreet wrote: »

i didn't read the last few posts, which ive just done. i feel terrible now. my statement about children was more in reference to that simpsons-style satire. ill edit that.

don't edit it - it's your opinion and i only reacted that way because it was almost immediately after my post!! Normally wouldn't bother me!

Didn't mean to be causing all this hassle! oops - was just trying to get my point across.....

I'll shut up now!

JB04

ClioV6 wrote: »

Yeah..you seem like a fairly inexperienced driver if you reckon that's a valid statement..either that or a bit stupid.

I take great offence at being called a fairly inexperienced driver or stupid.

Overtaking is legal. AFAIK exceeding the speed limit while overtaking is illegal. As I stated in my first post in this thread, a member of my family was caught for speeding while overtaking a slow moving vehicle. It was not on a continuous white line, the raod ahead was quite clear to complete the manoevure, but she exceeded the speed limit, and was caught speeding.

AlmightyCushion

ClioV6 wrote: »

Ah good chap, good way to concede there without making yourself look like a total ****ing idiot.

Yeah..you seem like a fairly inexperienced driver if you reckon that's a valid statement..either that or a bit stupid.

I've had enough. Banned for constant crap like this.

Mark200

Dudess wrote: »

Oh believe me, they're probably still in bed - there's a handful of them all right who insist they wouldn't even do 62 or 63 mph on a quiet dual carriageway (speed limit 60 before anyone barges in with the usual incorrect "eh... the speed limit on the dual carriageway is 70 :rolleyes:" comments - that's the motorway, dudes! ).

Taking it upon yourself to break the speed limit is one thing, but actually making fun of others who choose not to?

That's just stupid

Manic Moran

From the Department of Motor Vehicles, South Carolina:

This item merely says that the chance of fatility in a crash increases dramatically with speed. It does not say that speed dramatically increases the chance of a crash in the first place.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1061808/Speeding-drivers-cause-3-car-accidents-figures-reveal.html

Only 3 per cent of car accidents are caused by speeding drivers, Government figures have revealed.
Yet there are nearly 7,000 speed cameras across the country which are unable to detect 'careless or reckless' drivers who cause three times as many accidents

Note also that even this does not indicate that speeding was the cause, only that the driver was speeding at the time.

Overheal wrote: »

Unfortunately you still share the road with 07 Skoda Fabias and until you aren't you shouldn't expect to see the speed limits change

Just because the speed limit is X does not mean that it is necessarily safe to go at X in your particular vehicle.

One of the very sensible things about California (Yes, we do have the occasional sensible law) is that the legal speed limit is 'Whatever is safe for your vehicle given the prevailing conditions.' The posted limit is not actually the legal limit, it is merely the point at which the burden of proof shifts from the police having to prove that you were driving too fast, all things considered, to your having to prove that you were driving safely, all things considered. After all, the presence or otherwise of a speed limit sign does not necessarily reflect the difference in danger: Why can a Porsche not exceed 110mph on an Irish motorway (which, though there aren't many of them, tend to be good quality), but it's perfectly safe for them to do 150km/h on a German motorway?

NTM

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1061808/Speeding-drivers-cause-3-car-accidents-figures-reveal.html
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Ah, the daily mail, the most reliable source of information you can find!

Dudess

Mark200 wrote: »

Taking it upon yourself to break the speed limit is one thing, but actually making fun of others who choose not to?

That's just stupid

Not remotely making fun, just expressing disbelief at those who claim they'd never even exceed the speed limit by two or three miles on a quiet dual carriageway. That's not dangerous driving.

Fighting Irish

Anyone know why the gov is not putting more two lane roads in Ireland?
Or even small stretchs of two lanes, to allow for safe overtaking.

I know plenty of roads that are easily able for it, but i can't see it ever happening. Is there a reason for this?

Marcus.Aurelius

Outright incompetence, I should think, Fighting Irish.

To all those whining about those who overtake them, grow up, you aren't in authority to enforce the laws. If you don't like people overtaking dangerously, move into the hard shoulder (where it is sufficient for such) for a short time to allow the other driver to overtake and continue his journey.

Really, you are not important enough to delay others out of a "I pay my taxes, I'll drive how I like" selfish attitude.

Some drivers are so pig-ignorant it still amazes me daily.

l3LoWnA

I don't care when people overtake me, even when I'm doing on or near the speed limit! I feel safer that the speeder has fecked off ahead of me!!

When you're driving long enough you'll get GREAT pleasure out of it, actually, when a squad car passes at high speed, siren blaring, a few moments later and a kilometre or less/more down the road you pass the same over-taker pulled into the hard shoulder with a big angry face on him/her with the garda leaning in his/her window with d little book in his/her hand Has happened loads to me and it's refreshing to say the least!! :P:cool:

My pet hate is though, pr1cks who drive at say 60/70 or 80kph on a 100kph road with no possible way of passing them (continuous white line, bends, hills, oncoming traffic etc), but as soon as the road improves slightly and there's a broken white line and a clear opportunity to pass, they speed up to 100kph either just after you signal that you are going to pass them or worse still, as you are actually passing them out. I don't know if they're nervous drivers who can "drive faster" on a "straight" or if they're just pr1cks who see my indicator on/a blonde passing them and don't want me to pass but whatever it is they're putting peoples lives at risk doing that and it's very dangerous!! Grrrr

Overheal

Fighting Irish wrote: »

Anyone know why the gov is not putting more two lane roads in Ireland?
Or even small stretchs of two lanes, to allow for safe overtaking.

I wouldnt consider installing it for those kind of reasons, but installing more merging lanes at junctions sounds like a good idea. Stops anyone who is turning off that road from slowing everyone down behind them.

I had a near miss today, some prick decided that he wanted to enforce his speed on the cars behind him by driving right up against the centre line and appearing to speed up as cars were overtaking him - I had to take evasive action and drive into the hard shoulder. :mad:

YES! I'm blaming the driver being overtaken and not the overtaker!

tony1kenobi

Joker wrote: »

To all those whining about those who overtake them, grow up, you aren't in authority to enforce the laws. If you don't like people overtaking dangerously, move into the hard shoulder

Is that said with a sarcastic tone sir? My poor old mum was a nervous (fully licensed) driver until a couple of years ago when I was with her on a couple of journeys. Aggressive drivers driving up her arse were causing her to pull into the hard shoulder to let umpteen of them pass, until I pointed out to her that if someone legally pulled out of their driveway and up to the yellow line, and she hit them, a legal action was the least of her worries, as the impact would probably kill or maim her along with the innocent counterpart trying to go about their day......the prick in the merc would probably not even pass a glance in their mirror at such carnage.....

I drive a big, very capable car (it absolutely is an extension of my small penis before you point it out....and to point it out you would no doubt need a magnifying glass) but I don't feel any need to speed even if I AM able to outrun (namecheck 80s video game) all who come before me.......reckless driving is what does the damage.....not speeding or lack of experience.....just recklessness.....all the speeding does is determine the level of damage the impact causes.........

I agree totally with the frustration of someone doing 40mph (I don't know what that is in kilometres cos I am old school)......but what is achieved by overtaking them other than a moment of righteous indignation that you have paid your tax and can use and abuse the road and your car as you see fit?........against the possibility of a fatal collision.........just not worth it as far as I am concerned.....nobody.....no matter how powerful or important......is that desperate for an extra minute of time that they can risk countless others lives to steal it back.

However, if you meet me on an open road with no obstacles, I am the one you will meet doing dangerously close to lift off speeds singing the star wars theme ala ferris beuller, so who the **** am I to preach....?

Me...that's who.

brendansmith

Hanging is too good for em!

Carturo

dreamer_ire wrote: »

Anyone who has ever driven on motorways in France will have seen a lesson is the proper utilisation of the overtaking lanes. My experience from last year was that no one uses them unless they are overtaking and as soon as they have they pull in. It doesn't matter if they are going to overtake another vehicle in a few minutes they pull in. I think many of our drivers could take a lesson from this.

I found the same in the states. I drove from NY to San Fran and the motorways, when we used them, were a pleasure to drive on. Even coming into the likes of Chicago and LA when it was everyman for himself to get in lane!

Zangetsu

60 kph is only a guideline... If you aren't doing at least 110 I'm gonna burn yo ass biatch!

Tigger

Onkle wrote: »

I was nearly killed by some idiot doing this. He was pottering along at ~60kmph on a 100 stretch, I went to overtake and he put the hammer down. I literally had to race him to get back in as the car behind me had moved up too

get a faster car

Tigger

peanuthead wrote: »

I dont mind being overtaken when Im doing the speed limit. It really doesnt bother me unless 1. The person overtaking me is putting me in danger somehow (ie: overtaking on blind bend, or overtaking with not enough time to do so and having to squeeze back kin in front of me and the car in front of me. or 2. They start blowing the horn and giving me abuse about being too slow.


I know its bad driving practice, and I would never do this if there were someone coming the other way, but sometimes if a real ignorant person, or a boy racer tries to overtake me, I immediately speed up and force them to retreat back behind me!!

have you met onkle?

Tigger

Mark200 wrote: »

No, well I haven't driven on the motorway yet (got my licence just over a week ago ) but I have a fair bit of driving experience and always drove in the left lane on the N something something (the one that goes to ratoath (?)) where the speed limit is 120 kph (I was doing 120 kph :P). I only went into the other lane to overtake someone twice (1 was a truck going extremely slow, another was another learner going 100kph).

I just really don't see what the rush is that they have to break the speed limit to overtake me so that they can be sitting a metre or two ahead of me when I end up stopped behind them at the next traffic lights anyway...?



On another note, what is wrong with "cruising at the speed limit on the outside lane"?. You're not supposed to go over the speed limit overtaking someone anyway, so I don't see why you'd give someone grief for it? I know you're supposed to "cruise" in the inner most lane, but as I said....what's the big rush that you need to go over the speed limit anyway.

It's there for a reason (although as said....some roads are stupidly marked, but that's something that has to be put up with and you should't blame the driver in front for obeying it)

its the over taking lane noit the cruising lane

staker

Met one of these Sunday driver's yesterday cruising at 85 in a 100 climbing lane.
The tool wouldn't move but got a shock when the bulbers raced up my inside and flashed him over and hopefully did him.
I couldn't believe it, I don't know what possessed me but yesterday i didn't undertake on the climbing lane.
That was a first in more ways than one yesterday:D