Sinn Fein/IRA to organise provocative march

Nodin

It wasn't me! wrote: »

I don't care about going to Afghanistan or Iraq, though I certainly have no objection to being posted there either. .

So essentially you don't give a crap who you end up killing or why. Brilliant.

It wasn't me!

Northern Ireland is a chunk of an island off the mainland, under its jurisdiction. Sorry if that's hard to swallow.

Obvious? One would think the obvious one is the closest one, with ease of travel from home and easy access to friends and family. Is this not the most obvious army to join, should the Irish army not be a possibility?

And if you want to talk ethnicity, you're definitely going to have to trace the development of and mixing of European races and peoples from the middle ages on, so I wouldn't bother trying to make an argument of it until you can do that.

Allah Hu Akbar

Nodin wrote: »

So essentially you don't give a crap who you end up killing or why. Brilliant.

LMFBO

It wasn't me!

Nodin wrote: »

So essentially you don't give a crap who you end up killing or why. Brilliant.

Nono, I know why: Because they threaten my life or the lives of those I serve with or those I'm assigned to protect. In those circumstances, yeah, I'll defend myself and my interests, as I think any half-sane person would.

A Dub in Glasgo

It wasn't me! wrote: »

The only thing uniting the Republic and Northern Ireland historically is that they share a landmass?

Dear God, what are you studying in College?

Nodin

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Obvious? One would think the obvious one is the closest one, with ease of travel from home and easy access to friends and family. Is this not the most obvious army to join, should the Irish army not be a possibility?

Well, some might take into account the involvement of said country in one of the more memorable and disastrous post-imperial imperial adventures of recent times in Iraq. It was on the news a while back. 'Whoops no WMD, but lookee at that oil' and all that.

It wasn't me!

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Dear God, what are you studying in College?

History. Want to argue that Ireland was united in medieval times with the arrival of the Normans? Because I can do that all night. While there was a dominant cultural landscape encompassing the majority of the island, it was by no means peaceful or politically united, with a monarchy resembling that of Anglo-Saxon Britain in its infancy, it could not be called a nation, primarily because the notion of nationhood only really properly developed in the ninteenth century. In fact, Northern Ireland was more of a nation in 1920 than the south, following the Government of Ireland Act.

It wasn't me!

Nodin wrote: »

Well, some might take into account the involvement of said country in one of the more memorable and disastrous post-imperial imperial adventures of recent times in Iraq. It was on the news a while back. 'Whoops no WMD, but lookee at that oil' and all that.

Makes no difference to a soldier's job.

Nodin

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Nono, I know why: Because they threaten my life or the lives of those I serve with or those I'm assigned to protect. In those circumstances, yeah, I'll defend myself and my interests, as I think any half-sane person would.

Now if you were sitting in a pub having a few with the lads thats reasonable. If you're delivering food to the starving thats fine too. Trying to stop mobs killing each other, massacring people is just groovy too.

However if you're part of a force thats just been part of an invasion the upshot of which is 63 of 80 oil fields are now under Foriegn control under terms & conditions not seen since the days of the British Empire, that makes you an accessory to a poxy crime. You'd be more honest if you took up gangland enforcement.

Nodin

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Makes no difference to a soldier's job.

Makes you a willing accessory. You aren't being drafted, you aren't being coerced.

marco murphy

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Makes no difference to a soldier's job.

You'll get whats coming to you, being a solider and that.

It wasn't me!

Perestroika wrote: »

You'll get whats coming to you, being a solider and that.

Yeah, an interesting job and a paycheck. Cheers.

TOMASJ

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Probably. I'd do my bloody job, and do it well, because I'm pretty apathetic about the whole thing. I honestly don't see that any one side has more claim to it than the other. If you want to make it about landmasses, give France Belgium. Makes about as much sense. Going to call me a traitor now, because I'd serve in another country?

Good for you,
would you help the rest of your pals to plant bombs over the border in the 26 running the risk of killing members of you own family, you new army chums were a dab hand at undercover jobs like that.

It wasn't me!

TOMASJ wrote: »

Good for you,
would you help the rest of your pals to plant bombs over the border in the 26 running the risk of killing members of you own family, you new army chums were a dab hand at undercover jobs like that.

Prove it. Until I see incontrovertible proof, I'm calling bollocks on that. If you want to cast accusations around, find proof.

Dyr

I note you want magical incontrovertable evidence presumably because you already know there's plenty of evidence out there. Call it bollocks all you like, feel free to kid yourself on this just dont expect anyone else to kid themselves as well

TOMASJ

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Prove it. Until I see incontrovertible proof, I'm calling bollocks on that. If you want to cast accusations around, find proof.

Try the name Seamus Ludlow for a start. he was a catholic living in the Dundalk area who was murdered by your new found Unionist mates, on one of the cross border expeditions into the 26 countys.

A Dub in Glasgo

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Yeah, an interesting job and a paycheck. Cheers.

Very Americanised

It wasn't me!

Bambi wrote: »

I note you want magical incontrovertable evidence presumably because you already know there's plenty of evidence out there. Call it bollocks all you like, feel free to kid yourself on this just dont expect anyone else to kid themselves as well

Know why I want incontrovertible proof? Because everyone who gives a damn about this conflict seems all too willing to lie irrationally at the drop of a hat to make the other side look more bloody and savage. The fact of the matter is that all concerned are fools, who achieved nothing but stupid violence, and I don't trust any of them as far as I could throw them.

TOMASJ

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Know why I want incontrovertible proof? Because everyone who gives a damn about this conflict seems all too willing to lie irrationally at the drop of a hat to make the other side look more bloody and savage. The fact of the matter is that all concerned are fools, who achieved nothing but stupid violence, and I don't trust any of them as far as I could throw them.

why are you joining these fools then,

Allah Hu Akbar

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Prove it. Until I see incontrovertible proof, I'm calling bollocks on that. If you want to cast accusations around, find proof.

It isn't bollocks that the British helped loyalists plant the bombs in Dublin/Monaghan. You want proof? Well there would be of the British goverment gave the Irish goverment the information on it.

A Dub in Glasgo

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Know why I want incontrovertible proof? Because everyone who gives a damn about this conflict seems all too willing to lie irrationally at the drop of a hat to make the other side look more bloody and savage. The fact of the matter is that all concerned are fools, who achieved nothing but stupid violence, and I don't trust any of them as far as I could throw them.

Yet you are willing to give your career/work to them

Nodin

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Yeah, an interesting job and a paycheck. Cheers.

Like mugging grannies, except the pay is on the books.

I wasn't aware that supporting Western exploitation of the worlds resources was considered the field to get into for graduates these days.....

It wasn't me!

I wasn't referring to the British army, as while collusion did occur, without doubt, in the north, I've never seen proper proof of their involvement in Dublin and Monaghan, and until I do, I continue to dispute it. It's just due to my coming into contact with them more often, but I really have no time for those of the heavily republican persuasion. It makes no sense.

Oh, and I can get into whatever field of work I please, for my own motivations, and don't answer to others for it.

Nodin

It wasn't me! wrote: »

I wasn't referring to the British army, as while collusion did occur, without doubt, in the north, I've never seen proper proof of their involvement in Dublin and Monaghan, and until I do, I continue to dispute it. .

It was British intelligence, not the Army, as far as I recall.

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Oh, and I can get into whatever field of work I please, for my own motivations, and don't answer to others for it.

Yep, including heroin production, pimping, mugging, and other forms of crime. Ideally anyone involved in your proposed line would be dragged off to the Hague, but it seems theres a double standard as to who ends up there......

TOMASJ

It wasn't me! wrote: »

I wasn't referring to the British army, as while collusion did occur, without doubt, in the north, I've never seen proper proof of their involvement in Dublin and Monaghan, and until I do, I continue to dispute it. It's just due to my coming into contact with them more often, but I really have no time for those of the heavily republican persuasion. It makes no sense.

how can you say "collusion did occur, without doubt, in the north" and then ignore all proof, or is the only proper proof the british version,
you will find out when you join that you can "get away with murder" when its only a "sub human" in the brits eyes that has been killed.

A Dub in Glasgo

Shoot a civilian here or shoot a civilian there. I am sure you will become a master at it going by your acceptance that the BA done **** all wrong in any conflict they have been involved in

oscarBravo

Thread closed, and several names entered into my Little Black Book for keeping a close eye on later.