FREE the WEED

Toiletroll

In my opinion, we (Irish) really need to look at legalising the weed to some extent.

We waste millions upon millions on a war that will never be won when we could be raking it in from the taxes on selling weed and freeing up the garda to deal with real criminals.

It suits us anyway! ireland is GREEN

Even Canada & USA are seeing the light... Come on Government, 8C on fuel which will make everything else go up in price? Clever clever, oh so clever... Why not legalise weed and REDUCE the price of fuel...

http://gizmodo.com/348628/marijuana-vending-machines-opening-for-business-in-la

faceman

"...and what better and innovative new way to start my campaign to legalise drugs which fuel criminal and terrorist activity around the world, by putting a post up on After Hours on boards."

AARRRGH

It will never be legalised as too many people (i.e. Gardai, Customs Officers) would lose their job. The drug industry is an industry for everyone - from dealer to Garda.

Personally I'd rather we had less drugged people on our streets, so I'm in support of stricter drug controls.

Toiletroll

I would support any notion to make alcohol illegal... as its more harmfull that most drugs! Wake up sir!

Also, weed opens your mind!

Aside from that... They only fuel criminals BECAUSE they are illegal you silly fool. If they were legal then criminals would not be able to profit from it. Wake up SIR

AARRRGH

Toiletroll wrote: »

I would support any notion to make alcohol illegal... as its more harmfull that most drugs! Wake up sir!

Yawn. Everyone knows this.

But what are we going to do - close down the breweries? Never going to happen, so you can forget about it.

Toiletroll wrote: »

Aside from that... They only fuel criminals BECAUSE they are illegal you silly fool. If they were legal then criminals would not be able to profit from it. Wake up SIR

No ****. But I would rather a few scumbag criminals making some money and killing each other than a country full of stoners.

jim o doom

AARRRGH wrote: »

It will never be legalised as too many people (i.e. Gardai, Customs Officers) would lose their job. The drug industry is an industry for everyone - from dealer to Garda.

Personally I'd rather we had less drugged people on our streets, so I'm in support of stricter drug controls.

When you say less people on drugs, do you mean ALL drugs, legal drugs (like nicotine & alcohol or antidepressants or ritalin or any of the other plethora or drugs which doctors can easily prescribe - doctor i am scared of flying but must fly! here are some valium my friend) or only illegal drugs. Also - you do realise that despite the even more massive funding and the VERY strict laws on drugs in the USA there are LARGE amounts of strung out crack & crank junkies walking the streets in pretty much every major us city? yeah because LAWS stop drug users using drugs.

Karoma

Toiletroll wrote: »

I would support any notion to make alcohol illegal... as its more harmfull that most drugs! Wake up sir!

Hypocrite. Freeeedommmm!
"more harmfull" so you accept that weed is harmfull?[sic] So your argument is that we should legalise it because it's not as "harmfull"? That's clever. Go to the Dáil with that.

Also, weed opens your mind!

Too bad the output is incoherent drivel...that...wait...

Aside from that... They only fuel criminals BECAUSE they are illegal you silly fool. If they were legal then criminals would not be able to profit from it. Wake up SIR

Surely there'd still be a market for cheaper tax-free drugs?

humanji

Toiletroll wrote: »

I would support any notion to make alcohol illegal... as its more harmfull that most drugs! Wake up sir!

Also, weed opens your mind!

Aside from that... They only fuel criminals BECAUSE they are illegal you silly fool. If they were legal then criminals would not be able to profit from it. Wake up SIR

If they were legal, they'd be taxed to f*ck and the criminals would still thrive by selling it illegally.


And since this thread will no doubt go the same route as all other drug related thread, can we make it interesting by banning anyone who makes comparisons to other legal drugs, anyone who brings nazis into it and anyone who uses the letter "e"?

AARRRGH

jim o doom wrote: »

When you say less people on drugs, do you mean ALL drugs, legal drugs (like nicotine & alcohol or antidepressants or ritalin or any of the other plethora or drugs which doctors can easily prescribe - doctor i am scared of flying but must fly! here are some valium my friend) or only illegal drugs.

Well we're not talking about prescription drugs, but my personal opinion is that too many people are on prescription drugs (for example, they'd rather take a slimming pill then go for a jog) because they're too lazy to deal with their problems.

jim o doom wrote: »

Also - you do realise that despite the even more massive funding and the VERY strict laws on drugs in the USA there are LARGE amounts of strung out crack & crank junkies walking the streets in pretty much every major us city? yeah because LAWS stop drug users using drugs.

The US has huge poverty which doesn't exist in Ireland, so you can't really compare Ireland with the US.

The only way to combat drug use is to put users in prison.

jim o doom

AARRRGH wrote: »

No ****. But I would rather a few scumbag criminals making some money and killing each other than a country full of stoners.

YEah have you actually been to any countries where they have legal marijuana (holland) or are tolerant towards it (canada) - those countries are NOT full of "stoners" as you put it. Most Dutch don't smoke weed at all - it increases tourism in the country, and the streets are full of NORMAL people who don't use drugs. How did you come to the bizarre idea that the country would be suddenly MORE full of wasters than it already is? the people who don't use it because they don't agree with it arn't suddenly going to change their minds on it because it's legal all of a sudden, just like most of the adult population of the netherlands.

stovelid

When you're bunking off lectures for a smoke, Trisha or QVC, with a packet of Lidl bourbon creams, is a far better bet than starting embarrassing AH threads, OP. Think of the cache...

jim o doom

AARRRGH wrote: »

Well we're not talking about prescription drugs, but my personal opinion is that too many people are on prescription drugs (for example, they'd rather take a slimming pill then go for a jog) because they're too lazy to deal with their problems.

IN essence I agree with you on this point - but as for your second point re jailing drug users - I think we have enough of a police state in this country already - and I think jail should be reserved for those who harm OTHER people. But if you think some harmless wasters should be jailed, you are entitled to your opinion, regardless of how insane it seems to me.

AARRRGH

jim o doom wrote: »

YEah have you actually been to any countries where they have legal marijuana (holland) or are tolerant towards it (canada) - those countries are NOT full of "stoners" as you put it. Most Dutch don't smoke weed at all - it increases tourism in the country, and the streets are full of NORMAL people who don't use drugs. How did you come to the bizarre idea that the country would be suddenly MORE full of wasters than it already is? the people who don't use it because they don't agree with it arn't suddenly going to change their minds on it because it's legal all of a sudden, just like most of the adult population of the netherlands.

Again, we are talking about IRELAND.

In Holland do you see drunk people everywhere? No. Why is that? I'll tell you - it's because they don't pursue getting off their heads with a vengence like Irish people do.

Listen - I'm 30. I went through the whole drug thing when I was a teenager - from solvents to cocaine. I stopped doing drugs in my early 20's and decided to make a go of things. My friends who continued using drugs are now very unsuccessful adults. I on the other hand am doing ok for myself.

Drugs are not innocent. It's childish to think they are.

jim o doom

AARRRGH wrote: »

Again, we are talking about IRELAND.

In Holland do you see drunk people everywhere? No. Why is that? I'll tell you - it's because they don't pursue getting off their heads with a vengence like Irish people do.

Listen - I'm 30. I went through the whole drug thing when I was a teenager - from solvents to cocaine. I stopped doing drugs in my early 20's and decided to make a go of things. My friends who continued using drugs are now very unsuccessful adults. I on the other hand am doing ok for myself.

Drugs are not innocent. It's childish to think they are.

Actually people in Holland DO pursue getting off their heads with a vengeance, as do the canadians - I have been to both places and have seen LOADS of locked heads wandering around off their nuts DRUNK - ANY weekend. Do you really think we are so differenty to people in other countries? and by your logic YOU should have been jailed, despite you doing ok for youself, and having used drugs. That jail term could ruin your job prospects and you would be unable to be a "succesful" adult as you so quaintly put it, because society would not let you, due to your "foolish" choices as a younger person.

ccosgrave

"I think we should legalise marijuana in this country, just so potheads have nothing to talk about ever again."

AARRRGH

jim o doom wrote: »

by your logic YOU should have been jailed, despite you doing ok for youself, and having used drugs. That jail term could ruin your job prospects and you would be unable to be a "succesful" adult as you so quaintly put it, because society would not let you, due to your "foolish" choices as a younger person.

Absolutely - if I had of known I could have gone to prison I would have considered drug taking to be something quite uninnocent.

I'll let someone else continue this conversation for me. I couldn't be bothered arguing about something which will never happen. Drugs will never be legalised in Ireland - I win. HAHA!

HIVeindhoven

Another good thing about legalization is that it would drastically reduce the amount of tediuos drug related articles written by the like of OLaf Tyrensen and that Ian Wankbag in the Irish Indo, cant remember his name.

Kimbot

AARRRGH wrote: »

It will never be legalised as too many people (i.e. Gardai, Customs Officers) would lose their job. The drug industry is an industry for everyone - from dealer to Garda.

I would like to know how Gardai and Custom Officers would lose their jobs if Weed was legalised?

The way I see it more gardai can be put to solving proper crimes and customs will always be needed because Weed isn't the only drug coming into the country so on those 2 fronts there will be no job losses.

ejmaztec

HIVeindhoven wrote: »

Another good thing about legalization is that it would drastically reduce the amount of tediuos drug related articles written by the like of OLaf Tyrensen and that Ian Wankbag in the Irish Indo, cant remember his name.

Isn't memory one of the casualties?

AARRRGH

jonny24ie wrote: »

I would like to know how Gardai and Custom Officers would lose their jobs if Weed was legalised?

I phrased it badly - sorry. What I meant was there are too many vested interests in the drug trade - for example, Gardai and Customs departments who specialise in fighting drugs. They would never allow something like hash to be legalised.

Kimbot

AARRRGH wrote: »

I phrased it badly - sorry. What I meant was there are too many vested interests in the drug trade - for example, Gardai and Customs departments who specialise in fighting drugs. They would never allow something like hash to be legalised.

I think it would make thier job easier as they have less to screen for etc.

The_Minister

jim o doom wrote: »

Actually people in Holland DO pursue getting off their heads with a vengeance, as do the canadians - I have been to both places and have seen LOADS of locked heads wandering around off their nuts DRUNK - ANY weekend. Do you really think we are so differenty to people in other countries?

Sorry, but I'm calling shenanigans on this.
Drinking with Canadian's is like being at an accountants wake.
The Dutch are just nuts, and they do drink, but we spend three times more than them on drink, and we spend a huge amount more on spirits.
Cite: http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusinessnews/publish/article_10006077.shtml
And that was back in 1999, our consumption has rocketed since.

And btw, the tourism you mentioned above is a BAD thing. Holland doesn't like it.

anonymous_joe

jim o doom wrote: »

YEah have you actually been to any countries where they have legal marijuana (holland) or are tolerant towards it (canada) - those countries are NOT full of "stoners" as you put it. Most Dutch don't smoke weed at all - it increases tourism in the country, and the streets are full of NORMAL people who don't use drugs. How did you come to the bizarre idea that the country would be suddenly MORE full of wasters than it already is? the people who don't use it because they don't agree with it arn't suddenly going to change their minds on it because it's legal all of a sudden, just like most of the adult population of the netherlands.

Coffee shops full of tourists getting blasted out of their minds, and all teh ancillary things that go with it... Lovely. I don't ever want to see Dublin end up like that place.

AARRRGH wrote: »

Again, we are talking about IRELAND.

In Holland do you see drunk people everywhere? No. Why is that? I'll tell you - it's because they don't pursue getting off their heads with a vengence like Irish people do.

Listen - I'm 30. I went through the whole drug thing when I was a teenager - from solvents to cocaine. I stopped doing drugs in my early 20's and decided to make a go of things. My friends who continued using drugs are now very unsuccessful adults. I on the other hand am doing ok for myself.

Drugs are not innocent. It's childish to think they are.

Have you been to Holland? They're a nation of piss artists, same as us. This is a nation that's only religions are beer and hating each other. Well that and growing Islam, but that's a completely different issue and one they don't like either. :pac:

Seriously, legalised weed has done nothing good for the Netherlands. But not because of a drug problem, mainly because of the tourists and the unemployable types who sit around all day getting high and often enough getitng in a bit of trouble. Oh and for those who say people who are high don't cause trouble, sadly, indirectly, they do, because there are plenty of people willing ot take advantage of those who are somewhat away with the fairies.

AARRRGH

jonny24ie wrote: »

I think it would make thier job easier as they have less to screen for etc.

People are more interested in protecting their job/keeping their skills relevant than making their job easier.

It's human nature - you see it all the time - it's called office politics!

thebman

ejmaztec wrote: »

Isn't memory one of the casualties?

I can't remember :pac:

AARRRGH wrote: »

It will never be legalised as too many people (i.e. Gardai, Customs Officers) would lose their job. The drug industry is an industry for everyone - from dealer to Garda.

Personally I'd rather we had less drugged people on our streets, so I'm in support of stricter drug controls.

The guards can start selling it from the evidence room

Seriously though, I don't do it but in favour of legalising it. It is less harmful than other drugs that are legal. You can go on about long term effects but one there isn't enough research and two, the legal drugs available that are worse usually also come with worse side effects or as bad side effects as the stuff.

I think there would be an illegal market still but most people would do the right thing and buy it legally because most people don't like breaking the law. Since people who want to do it are doing it regardless of it being illegal then what is the point in it being illegal? It doesn't stop anything, it is an utterly pointless law.

Saying everyone will be stoners is a stupid suggestion. Fair enough for the first few weeks maybe but you'll find most people won't think it is for them or will get bored of it and it will be the standard stoners you have now that will be doing it but contributing tax to help reduce our deficit instead of funding crime.

I think most people would buy legally as you never know what your getting if buying illegally.

I don't think anyone has any valid reasons for making it illegal. Only scar mongering, illogical or already proven wrong arguments and some side effects that are no worse than other already legal products. None of these are valid reasons for keeping it illegal.

If smokers have to contribute to their healthcare so should stoners

Toiletroll

Alcohol is terrible in my opinion. I am hugely successful in my life so far financially and anything I want I can have, except weed (sometimes). I like to smoke very day because its my ideas that make me money in my life.

I was waiting for someone in a car once before and the DS came along and told us to get out of the car. Then I wouldnt give him the pin number for my iPhone and he took it off me and I have not seen it since (10 months ago). We are already living in a police state so wake up.

I had nothing on me but because we were sitting in a car in a particular estate that was good enough reason for them to take my iphone off me and keep it or whatever they did with it.

I dont drink alcohol because its for MUGS in my opinion...

I sit in smoke weed all day and come up with ways to make money for businesses and it pays me really well! So tell me why I shouldnt be allowed to smoke weed?

thebman

AARRRGH wrote: »

People are more interested in protecting their job/keeping their skills relevant than making their job easier.

It's human nature - you see it all the time - it's called office politics!

There isn't a shortage of crimes, they could all go after pr*cks that refuse to use their indicators on roundabouts or people that break red lights all day in the city.

Toiletroll

brim4brim wrote: »

I can't remember :pac:



The guards can start selling it from the evidence room

Seriously though, I don't do it but in favour of legalising it. It is less harmful than other drugs that are legal. You can go on about long term effects but one there isn't enough research and two, the legal drugs available that are worse usually also come with worse side effects or as bad side effects as the stuff.

I think there would be an illegal market still but most people would do the right thing and buy it legally because most people don't like breaking the law. Since people who want to do it are doing it regardless of it being illegal then what is the point in it being illegal? It doesn't stop anything, it is an utterly pointless law.

Saying everyone will be stoners is a stupid suggestion. Fair enough for the first few weeks maybe but you'll find most people won't think it is for them or will get bored of it and it will be the standard stoners you have now that will be doing it but contributing tax to help reduce our deficit instead of funding crime.

I think most people would buy legally as you never know what your getting if buying illegally.

I don't think anyone has any valid reasons for making it illegal. Only scar mongering, illogical or already proven wrong arguments and some side effects that are no worse than other already legal products. None of these are valid reasons for keeping it illegal.

If smokers have to contribute to their healthcare so should stoners

100% sense! Thank you sir

humanji

Toiletroll wrote: »

Alcohol is terrible in my opinion. I am hugely successful in my life so far financially and anything I want I can have, except weed (sometimes). I like to smoke very day because its my ideas that make me money in my life.

I was waiting for someone in a car once before and the DS came along and told us to get out of the car. Then I wouldnt give him the pin number for my iPhone and he took it off me and I have not seen it since (10 months ago). We are already living in a police state so wake up.

I had nothing on me but because we were sitting in a car in a particular estate that was good enough reason for them to take my iphone off me and keep it or whatever they did with it.

I dont drink alcohol because its for MUGS in my opinion...

I sit in smoke weed all day and come up with ways to make money for businesses and it pays me really well! So tell me why I shouldnt be allowed to smoke weed?

Sounds like you have dependency issues. And trying to rationalise why you need to use drugs is a sign of addiction. And don't bother denying you're an addict, because denial is another sign! Ha, gotcha you baby eating smelly hippie!

Toiletroll

humanji wrote: »

Sounds like you have dependency issues. And trying to rationalise why you need to use drugs is a sign of addiction. And don't bother denying you're an addict, because denial is another sign! Ha, gotcha you baby eating smelly hippie!

You cannot become addicted to weed. Trust me I know the difference. I can go months without weed without issue. F8cuking ciggis is a different story.

So come back when you have a clue dear sir

AARRRGH

brim4brim wrote: »

There isn't a shortage of crimes, they could all go after pr*cks that refuse to use their indicators on roundabouts or people that break red lights all day in the city.

I am absolutely certain the drug squad would be very upset to hear hash is going to be legalised. There is no way they would let it happen - they will lose too much.

Anyway, that's it from me.