Little Big Planet delayed over Koran phrases

Gingervitis

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7679151.stm

Sigh...

Kiith

Religion...the cause and, well, cause of all of lifes problems

Mr E

Big multi-page discussion on this very topic on the Playstation forum.

Maximilian

I have to laugh at this. Is this how politically correct the world has become.

1- In the 18th second: "كل نفس ذائقة الموت" ("kollo nafsin tha'iqatol mawt", literally: 'Every soul shall have the taste of death').

2- Almost immediately after, in the 27th second: "كل من عليها فان" ("kollo man alaiha fan", literally: 'All that is on earth will perish').

Plus, it's in Somalian as well?

I would have thought only the minority ultra-taliban variety of muslim could possibly be offended.

Fionnanc

I propose boycotting the game until the said music is put back in.

It is amazing the climate of fear that has been created. Sony should be ashamed of themselves. An optional; patch to remove the music should be the only thing offered.

By this logic 2K should recall civilization because of the Genesis quotes at the start of the game so as no to offend people.

Really annoyed

magick

This is crazy, i mean imagine if Salman Rushdie tried to release the santanic verses book in this climate of fear?!

World is getting far too PC.

Tails

Disagree with it being withdrawn, but on another note by the sounds of the lyrics in the song it didnt seem to cheerful did it?

TheWitch06

W...T...F! Religion is lame.

Zillah

TheWitch06 wrote: »

W...T...F! Religion is lame.

^ This.

Also, what the hell, the guy who noticed it in the beta specifically reccomended that a patch to remove it would be appropriate and they were like "Yeah ok. No, recall the game."

Dont be at yourself

I think this reflects worse on Sony than it does the Muslim population.

It was a huge overreaction to a non-story. Hasn't the game already been released in some Middle Eastern countries without any backlash?

I wonder how they are going to deal with the inevitable racist, pornographic and bigoted levels etc. that will spring up once the game is released.

thelordofcheese

Fionnanc wrote: »

I propose boycotting the game until the said music is put back in.

It is amazing the climate of fear that has been created. Sony should be ashamed of themselves. An optional; patch to remove the music should be the only thing offered.

By this logic 2K should recall civilization because of the Genesis quotes at the start of the game so as no to offend people.

Really annoyed

You don't understand logic.

Sony did the right thing here, LBP is the only really big game they have coming into christmas, they are counting on it helping to shift alot of consoles. The *last* thing they need is the game being caught up in any kind of controversy especially with regard to religion of all bloody things.

What i'm enjoying is the all the nerd rage which would put the sterotype of the angry muslim to shame.
The second thing will be the wave of people thinking they're being clever and making some kind of "effigies of mohammed on fire" levels when the game is released. Proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that we should never listen to anyone who gets this upset over a video game.

Mr E

thelordofcheese wrote: »

The second thing will be the wave of people thinking they're being clever and making some kind of "effigies of mohammed on fire" levels when the game is released.

*lightbulb*

I'm keeeding...

Canis Lupus

thelordofcheese wrote: »

You don't understand logic.

Sony did the right thing here, LBP is the only really big game they have coming into christmas, they are counting on it helping to shift alot of consoles. The *last* thing they need is the game being caught up in any kind of controversy especially with regard to religion of all bloody things.

What i'm enjoying is the all the nerd rage which would put the sterotype of the angry muslim to shame.
The second thing will be the wave of people thinking they're being clever and making some kind of "effigies of mohammed on fire" levels when the game is released. Proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that we should never listen to anyone who gets this upset over a video game.

I hadn't heard of the game nor do I play consoles but I'm sick of the increasing instances of corporate and government pandering to muslims. There's no nerd rage involved in my feelings.

However. It could simply be a nice publicity stunt.

thelordofcheese

Canis Lupus wrote: »

I hadn't heard of the game nor do I play consoles but I'm sick of the increasing instances of corporate and government pandering to muslims. There's no nerd rage involved in my feelings.

However. It could simply be a nice publicity stunt.

This just in: corporations pay attention to people who complain if they think it'll hurt sales.
It's not just muslims, though i know that's the perception du jour.

Linky

My favourite example is this

The Spanish version of Windows used the word Hembra - meaning "woman" in Spain - for choosing gender. But in some Central American republics, notably Nicaragua, the word is an insult meaning "bitch". The program was changed

Vegeta

Canis Lupus wrote: »

I hadn't heard of the game nor do I play consoles but I'm sick of the increasing instances of corporate and government pandering to muslims. There's no nerd rage involved in my feelings.

However. It could simply be a nice publicity stunt.

On the money

Canis Lupus

thelordofcheese wrote: »

This just in: corporations pay attention to people who complain if they think it'll hurt sales.
It's not just muslims, though i know that's the perception du jour.

Linky

My favourite example is this

Nope I get your point, corporate is different as money is involved however Microsoft changing a word because it's a swear word as opposed to delaying a game because it contains phrases from a book is something entirely different imo and whether it is "perception du jour" I think I'm allowed a :rolleyes: over it being related to muslims......

Like I said before however it just reeks of publicity stunt to me but as I'll never play the game I won't lose any sleep over it.

thelordofcheese

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Like I said before however it just reeks of publicity stunt to me but as I'll never play the game I won't lose any sleep over it.

i really, really doubt it. i know this is sony who have a nice track record of stupid stunts but i can't see what this stunt would achieve.
Delaying the game for having inappropriate content doesn't really make for a winning strategy.
Even from the company that infamously told us that we should be paying more for the PS3 and that they were doing us a favour by selling it at crazy-monies.

Another theory that i've heard (i don't put too much stock in it, but it's an interesting take) is as well as not offending muslims they also don't want to alienate chunks of the american market who may not buy LBP for their sprogs because it contains verses from the Qu'ran. And as we all know, jesus would not be down with that.
Crazy? yeah, but it's probably as likely as the idea that sony are doing this because they're afraid of muslims going apeshit and killing us all

Y2J_MUFC

Game being delayed because of religion and extremists? FAIL.

thelordofcheese

Y2J_MUFC wrote: »

Game being delayed because of religion and extremists? FAIL.

*facepalm*

Sometimes, i really do wonder if half the people on boards can read.

Fionnanc

Lordofcheese, the people here can read, but I would say the consensus view is the game was withdrawn for fear of violence by Muslim extremists.
What do you make of the firebombing of the London publisher of that Aisha book. In a free country you should be aloud write/program/sing songs on whatever you like , even if it causes offense.
Look at the fuss over the Danish cartoons(people now are living in hiding/under police protection), despite the fact some Muslim cultures depicted Mohammad in painting for centuries.

thelordofcheese

Fionnanc wrote: »

Lordofcheese, the people here can read, but I would say the consensus view is the game was withdrawn for fear of violence by Muslim extremists.

Argumentum ad populum.
Just because alot of people have lept to the conclusion does not make it
right.

It's far more reasonable and likely that sony did this to avoid any kind of negative press which might affect sales, rather than the idea that they are afraid of violence from muslim extremists.

Of course being sensible about it isn't has a cathartic as just blaming the person who complained, regardless of how sensible and polite the complaint was.

Maximilian

thelordofcheese wrote: »

Argumentum ad populum.
Just because alot of people have lept to the conclusion does not make it
right.

It's far more reasonable and likely that sony did this to avoid any kind of negative press which might affect sales, rather than the idea that they are afraid of violence from muslim extremists.

Of course being sensible about it isn't has a cathartic as just blaming the person who complained, regardless of how sensible and polite the complaint was.

In fairness, you are speculating just as much as anyone else. If many people believe something to be true, it may just as easily turn out to be true as false. Have Sony actually given a press statement on the matter?

Belittling others and throwing in latin phrases doesn't in any way strengthen your own view.

Fionnanc

I agree, its entirely possible sony are doing it for profit reasons, but they didn't recall a game that offended church of england people, a significant paying(non-pirating) community. I guess the Church of England bishop wouldn't urge is followers to attack Sony building/employees, he would just intruct is parishioners not to buy/return the game.

Maximillian- there have been press releases stating the game was withdrawn for alteration so as not to offend anybody. MAybe all good, exlusive PS3 games should be withdrawn so as not to offend the XBOX/PCNintendo fanboys.

Maximilian

Was it Resistance that had some Cathedral in it and caused a furore. What happened there?

Fionnanc

MAximillian/ Yes it was. The game was not withdrawn.

Y2J_MUFC

thelordofcheese wrote: »

Sometimes, i really do wonder if half the people on boards can read.

Just because somebody does not agree with your view, therefore that they can not read? If that's the general logic you apply, I'm not particularly sure many people will be:

1. interested in your views as they are in all probably a tremendously large load of feces :rolleyes:

2. convinced by your argument

Y2J_MUFC

Maximilian wrote: »

Was it Resistance that had some Cathedral in it and caused a furore. What happened there?

Indeed you are correct sir....it was Manchester Cathedral that was featured in it that caused a storm!

I think it's a protestant cathedral, Sony didn't remove that though. Different religion, different Sony response. Hmmm...... interesting....

Canis Lupus

Y2J_MUFC wrote: »

Indeed you are correct sir....it was Manchester Cathedral that was featured in it that caused a storm!

I think it's a protestant cathedral, Sony didn't remove that though. Different religion, different Sony response. Hmmm...... interesting....

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Is probably why.

/controversial

Sand

Well from a Sony Execs point of view pissing off the Church of England and Christians in general is fairly "**** em, who cares?"

Pissing off Muslims on the other hand? There is a real [ thought statistically small] chance some day youll wind up in your own home video, begging for your life before being decapitated.

Sony Execs didnt sign up to be heros, forever locking horns with violent fanatics on a mission from God.

Otacon

While I agree there is no good reason for Sony to have delayed the game, the comparisons with the Resistance controversy are not very appropriate. There are some key differences between the two cases:

1. Resistance: FOM had actually been released before the Church of England had made its statement.
2. The offending article was an entire location in the game, so changing it or removing it would have cost more as the level would have had to be re-done.
3. LBP hasn't been released yet (not meant to be anyway!) and the disputed article is a song that was easily removed, allowing the game to only be delayed by a few weeks.

I still think they should not have delayed it.

Y2J_MUFC

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Is probably why.

/controversial

What a post!!!

I was letting people determine their own logical conclusions from my thought, but hey, why use pistol when you can use a rocket launcher

Maybe you don't need to read after all... A picture says a thousand words!