Dublin Bus Not Stopping in UCD

mloc

Whatever happened to real disciplanary measures, like expulsion etc?

Sad Professor

Well the 9.25pm 10 came into the campus tonight and picked up from both stops (at Quinn and the flyover). Very few people at either stop though. So I guess Dublin Bus are leaving it up to the driver.

Thomas_S_Hunterson

rgt320q wrote: »

Maybe it's time for an on-campus drunk tank :rolleyes:

hmmm...drink tank

Tayto2000

Blush_01 wrote: »

If it happens at the No. 10 bus stop (beside Eng.) then it's on campus. What do UCD pay a security service for, if not to provide a security service? Is a brawl at the bus stop that much different to a brawl at the Student Bar or the Centre Club. Or is that outside their jurisdiction too?

I'm not suggesting the people sitting behind the services desk in the Arts block jump in and restrain people, but if we (the taxpayer) are funding the University, and the University are funding a security service (which they do) then surely we should be getting value for our money in getting them to actually provide a security service on campus. Wildly revolutionary, I know.

Second post saying the same thing, but given all the complaints about how heavy handed security in UCD is, what exactly do you propose they should be doing? There's often yellow jacket security at the number 10 late at night but escorting drunks off campus and confiscating drink and cards is about the limit unless there's been a serious incident...

Blush_01

Tayto2000 wrote: »

Second post saying the same thing, but given all the complaints about how heavy handed security in UCD is, what exactly do you propose they should be doing? There's often yellow jacket security at the number 10 late at night but escorting drunks off campus and confiscating drink and cards is about the limit unless there's been a serious incident...

You consider an attack on a bus driver what, a poorly disguised birthday party?

I was attempting to make the point that the bus stop on campus is well within Service's jurisdiction. Sorry if that wasn't clear enough.

When I was a fresher student cards were confiscated for no reason whatsoever, and the campus felt a lot safer than it did in later years. Having your student card confiscated means having to get it back, and that's done at the discretion of the head of services. If they feel you were really out of order it gives them the authority to cause serious issues for you.

I lived and worked on campus last year, I studied there for 4 years. I'm not randomly picking on this issue without any clue as to what is happening. They restricted buses last year too, and it made things very awkward for those who aren't drunken asses.

Tayto2000

It was an attack on an inspector, not a driver and there's no mention of where it happened, just that services have been withdrawn from Belfield. You're dead right about the bus stop on campus, but whenever I was on the No 10 and there was trouble, it usually happened on the way into Donnybrook. I think you're assuming a lot about the circumstances.

I agree with you that there should be a harder line on a lot of stuff happening, but random acts of security aren't the answer. And it seems that the student body disagrees, just look at the residences. First attempt to start actually enforcing standards of conduct instead of writing them down and then ignoring them and the SU are seeking legal advice. How about just not treating the residences as a giant party pad and wrecking the place?

Blush_01

Well letting Roebuck become a primarily first year accommodation was the first mistake they made there. At least Belgrove was already a tip. But then again, certain changes have been made in the management of the accommodations over the past 18 to 24 months. Belgrove are no longer under the management of the company who ran them, they're back under UCD jurisdiction, for one. There are other changes that have been made, but they're like the elephant in the corner.

alan4cult

F-Stop wrote: »

This would be hilarious except for the fact that it impacts pretty badly on many people who need to be in UCD past 8 for various reasons and depend on these buses stopping on or near campus. A few weeks ago there were a few threads (and articles in the college papers) about how heavy handed security was in UCD. How unnecessary and unfair this was, etc. I never experienced any problems with security, but then again I don't walk around campus drunk and acting like an asshole. Now it's "Why aren't services doing anything about this?" Well obviously the complainers' voices were heard, security has been stepped down. Now that there is a problem, the blame lies with security - why aren't they doing anything about these drunken student trouble makers??? It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so ****ing ridiculous.

+1 I never had a problem with security and because 800 out of the 23000 UCD students got there student cards confiscated the SU has to go challenging security. The whole thing is such a farce!

Red Alert

I am not surprised that Dublin Bus have taken this action. Why is OK to treat a bus and its driver in such a thuggish way? Presumably the people who complain about Pulse security might like to chime in here?

Sad Professor

The 10 was there again tonight. There was a big drunken mob upstairs as well. They shouted and screamed the whole way into town. Nothing aggressive and I've seen far worse but wouldn't fancy being on the last bus.

Tayto2000

The boycott of UCD seems to be pretty haphazard, there is still the odd bus stopping after 8.30pm... Wouldn't want to have to rely on it though.

Blush_01

Got a 46A this evening which boycotted the flyover.

Het-Field

The Economist wrote: »

Surely the unions will have no problem with allowing a private operator taking up some of Dublin Bus's €111m subsidies and offering to service this route then?

As long as the Government has any say in the matter it wont.

Its a public bus service, they should be at the whim of the people. Obviously, a bus driver should never feel threatened or be subject to violence. however, this is not a good way of trying to weed out the few real troublemakers.

As long Dublin Bus is in the pocket of SIPTU, things will never get done. The increased SIPTU influence at Aer Lingus has prevented a fully privitised Aer Lingus reach its full potential. I know for a fact that there are members of Aer Rianta SIPTU who are opposed to the existence of Ryanair. Effectively, those people would like one airline, run by the state, which could be bullied into providing more money, for less productivity, and shorter working hours (so said employee could sit on his/her arse earlier each day). Public Services are there for a reason, and they should not be held to ransom by Claire Daly and her ilk.