UFC 90 Discussion - **Will Contain Spoilers**

Main Card Bouts:
-Anderson Silva vs. Patrick Cote
-Thiago Alves vs. Josh Koscheck
-Fabricio Werdum vs. Junior dos Santos
-Tyson Griffin vs. Sean Sherk
-Gray Maynard vs. Rich Clementi

Preliminary Bouts:
-Thales Leites vs. Drew McFedries
-Spencer Fisher vs. Shannon Gugerty
-Dan Miller vs. Matt Horwich
-Hermes Franca vs. Marcus Aurelio
-Josh Burkman vs. Pete Sell


2nd UFC event in 2 weeks. We should be like kids in a candy store!



I think there are some great fights on this card, i hope Anderson puts Cote away early so we get to see some undercard action specifically Aurelio vs Hermes. Actually, I can't see a fight on this card that doesn't interest me. Happy days!







Also: Remember the rules of the charter in the thread lads.... particularly that FIGHTER BASHING GETS YOU DOUBLE LEGGED, MOUNTED AND CHOKED (banned)......I believe that's fair enough warning and you can't claim you didn't see it. :pac:


Otherwise enjoy!

Fozzy

A much more interesting card than the last show for me, I'm really looking forward to it. Alves vs Koscheck in particular should be very good

ShawnRaven

I'm actually looking forward to Tyson Griffin v Sean Sherk.

dunkamania

Cote is on his last fight of his current contract, and hasnt renegotiated yet. This is unusual for Zuffa who usualy lock up guys who could potentially be walking out with the title. Its not a ringing endorsement for Cote's chances, or maybe Zuffa figure he has nowhere else to go, after EliteXc folding

ShawnRaven

dunkamania wrote: »

Cote is on his last fight of his current contract, and hasnt renegotiated yet. This is unusual for Zuffa who usualy lock up guys who could potentially be walking out with the title. Its not a ringing endorsement for Cote's chances, or maybe Zuffa figure he has nowhere else to go, after EliteXc folding

That works both ways though. If Cote was cut from UFC right after the fight, There are a plethora of guys from EliteXC in line for Dana to hand pick to take pay day for future shows.

dunkamania

I dont see how it works both ways, if Cote loses, he gets screwed, if he wins, he gets less screwed.

mirwillbeback

I wouldn't rule Cote out. Heavy hands, he dropped Tito with a hook running backwards at 205. I won't be betting the house on it, but if he lands.....

shenanigans1982

I think Silva will take Cote, he has looked Untouchable in the last few fights I have seen him in. Also looking forward to the Alves/Koscheck fight...I think Koscheck is the kind of fighter people would buy the ppv just to see getting beaten. Also going to be interesting to see how Sherk will fair after being convincingly beaten by Penn in his comeback...looking like a good show.

Getting close now. I always reserve predicitons until I've seen the weigh ins though.

chopperbyrne

What time is this on at exactly?

The clocks going back is causing some confusion.

Fozzy

2am

chopperbyrne

Fozzy wrote: »

2am

2am after the clocks go back or ignoring that the clocks go back?

Fozzy

chopperbyrne wrote: »

2am after the clocks go back or ignoring that the clocks go back?

After the clocks go back. That's the real time

Pride Fighter

Hopefully Cote can do a Serra on Silva. I'd love to se the look of shock on everyones face. Mine included.

Killme00

So does that mean 3 am if the clocks dont go back. Because im getting old im heading to bed for few hours before it starts

Really looking forward to the Alves Koshcheck fight

chopperbyrne

Killme00 wrote: »

So does that mean 3 am if the clocks dont go back. Because im getting old im heading to bed for few hours before it starts

Really looking forward to the Alves Koshcheck fight

It's 10pm Eastern Time in the States.

Which means 2am here after you put the clock back. (3am if you don't bother)

amacachi

First fight startin now, the Sherk v Griffin fight is on first, thought it would've been the second one.

I'm gonna go for Griffin.

amacachi

Some fight.

The crowd are not happy with that decision and I'm not too sure how one of the judges gave all three rounds to Sherk.

ShawnRaven

Unfortunate end to the main event. Torn ACL isn't nice, Cote could be out for 9-12 months with that easily.

SuperWoody101

Great event, shame about the way the main event ended.

amacachi

Poor end alright.

Overall the fights were fairly hit and miss I thought.

ShawnRaven

I enjoyed the Koscheck/Alves and the Sherk/Griffin match, and the main event for what it was worth.

Wrong man won the Sherk/Griffin match though in my honest opinion.
Maynard/Clementi was a borefest

dango

Unfortunate end alright though i don't think the outcome would have changed. Silva's attitude afterwards and the match in general was fought in very good spirit which is nice to see. Cote's injury looked fairly nasty in those replays. That Sherk decision was unusual but i suppose that's the UFC for you! Of all the matches i was most surprised at

the Werdum KO

with his amount of experience I didn't expect that!
It had been a while since i had watched a UFC programme, but the ads must have quadrupled since! Talk about bloody annoying! Every five seconds had some branding/sponsorship annoying me visually or aurally

Must get Farcry 2...
/superliminal

Oh and the referee for the Gray/Clementi match really got on my nerves: "come on do something" STFU!
and the crowd booing was pretty damn disgraceful and the poor lads were apologising. For what!? Not all fights can be razzledazzle!

ShawnRaven

dango wrote: »

Oh and the referee for the Gray/Clementi match really got on my nerves: "come on do something" STFU!
and the crowd booing was pretty damn disgraceful and the poor lads were apologising. For what!? Not all fights can be razzledazzle!

I was yelling at the TV in hope for something to happen here. All Grey did was stall, stall, and stall. It was a borefest. If you'd paid your money for that turd of a match you'd have been pissed off too. The booing for the end of the main event was a lot more disrespectful in my opinion.

dango

Of course nobody wants to see a boring match but it happens! It wasn't amazing but something could have happened on the ground. At one stage I thought Clementi could have gotten a kimora or something (It's way too late for me to remember the finer details of what went on!) and i find the ground struggle interesting as it's so far removed from anything i've ever done. I found it more entertaining than i did the Werdum match

and all 80 seconds of it anyway

But yeah I agree the booing at the end was terribly disrespectful. The booing seemed to be a common theme throughout the night: matt hughes, "the borefest", the cubs pitcher guy and there could have been others. Bad form UFC.

ShawnRaven

I didn't get the Cubs pitcher guy being booed. Americans and their wacky sports, even Clay Guida couldn't turn the crowd around when he jumped into the shot!

calex71

is it just me or is booing getting more and more common if they dont stand and trade for more than a few seconds, also the last few UFC ppv's have had a noticable lack of ground games as opposed to earlier ones , but that may be just down to the cards i guess.

The booing really annoys me and that ref calling for action the whole time got on my nerves

chopperbyrne

calex71 wrote: »

is it just me or is booing getting more and more common if they dont stand and trade for more than a few seconds, also the last few UFC ppv's have had a noticable lack of ground games as opposed to earlier ones , but that may be just down to the cards i guess.

The booing really annoys me and that ref calling for action the whole time got on my nerves

The booing is because most of the crowd don't understand the sport and can't understand the ground game.

Booing the main event was hugely disrespectful. Cote and Silva had no need to apologise.

That ref was a disgrace though. A guy is working a choke for a few seconds and he starts telling them to do something with it or he'd stand them up. Absolutely clueless. Don't think we'll see him reffing at UFC 91.

Fozzy

The booing generally happens more when they work a new market. That was their first time in Chicago. It's rare that you hear boos in Vegas for groundwork

I really njoyed most of the fights.

Thought the Clementi Maynard fight was good technically but slow on action. otherwise i was highly entertained. unfortunate end to the main event but when Anderson did decide to turn it on he was awesome-o! His reversal of the shoot was unreal!

Griffin v Sherk was great and it annoyed me to see Sherk still getting hated on tbh. Same with koscheck, I ended up rooting for those 2 last night, Kos is one tough SOB. Sherk is still a dangerous fight for anyone at 155.

Alves looks like a different fighter to the one that got blitzed by Fitch. Wonder what he'll offer GSP/BJ.

Kent Brockman

Thought the Sherk fight was very entertaining, great fight from both. If ever I saw a draw in MMA that was it!

Pity about Cote but in fairness Silva seemed to be toying with him. Didnt look like he ever had a chance if Silva decided to up the pace.

There is rarely justification for booing anyone who gets in the cage (except for bad sportsmanship and running away) IMO

redout

Sherk looking class so far.

Dave Joyce

Fvck Setanta, missed the Sherk fight first replay at 7pm cause they advertised it as UFC 89.

Wrong man won the Sherk/Griffin match though in my honest opinion.

WHAT??!! Thought Sherk won every round 30-27. He worked more, got takedowns, showed a better variety of striking (e.g. punches, knees, teeps and leg kicks whereas Griffen mainly threw bombs and the odd leg kick) and covered up on a lot of Griffen's shots and then counter striked.

Think Alves was very impressive and will be a real threat to St Pierre/BJ.

Thought the writing was on the wall for Cote, injury or not. TBH, I thought Spider showed Cote TOO much respect and could have stopped him at nearly any stage.

bjj-fighter

ShawnRaven wrote: »

I was yelling at the TV in hope for something to happen here. All Grey did was stall, stall, and stall. It was a borefest. If you'd paid your money for that turd of a match you'd have been pissed off too. The booing for the end of the main event was a lot more disrespectful in my opinion.

Sounds like you should be watching K-1 or Boxing!

redout

Why was this not on live ?

ShawnRaven

bjj-fighter wrote: »

Sounds like you should be watching K-1 or Boxing!

I'm on for a good ground game, but there's a difference between a ground game, and a ground stall.

ShawnRaven

redout wrote: »

Why was this not on live ?

It was? It was on Setanta 1 at 2am, or 3am if you didn't put your clocks back.

Valmont

OK hear me out regarding Sherk vs. Griffin. Joe Rogan can be so incredibly biased sometimes and so can the action replays. I sky+ that fight and after watching it a few times I've realised most if not all of the replays focus on Griffin scoring punches whilst completing ignoring some of the crackers Sherk got. Joe Rogan goes on and on and on about Tyson Griffin, he always has, and in every fight literally kissed griffins ass unabashedly. I think people might have though griffin won solely by the biased reporting. Sherk clearly won the fight for me no doubt about it. I have more UFC conspiracy theories if anyone wants to hear them:P

dunkamania

Silva was toying with Cote, Cote has an interview up on youtube saying he messed up Silva.

http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/10/27/cote-i-fcked-him-up-really-bad/

Tyson Sherk was a good fight, alot of times wrestler vs wrestler is a snooze fest.

Alves was awesome, kicking myself for forgetting to put money on this fight

Crowd was awful, booing practically every fight.

Ref for the Maynard Clementi fight ereally annoyed me, it wasnt the best fight, but both fighters were working to advance position, his repeated warnings were irritating, especially when he didnt actually stand them up.

dunkamania

Silva talks on Cote fight. Its fairly weak stuff, given what Silva did to Marquardt in about 15 seconds. Silva had Cote down against the cage and was looking to help him to his feet.



http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/silva-on-disrespecting-cote-absolutely-not-true-14938

Anderson Silva did not deliver one of his typical performances against Patrick Cote at UFC 90.

Although he was winning the fight before Cote’s injury in the third round, the UFC middleweight champion was booed by fans for his evasive strategy and later he was even criticized by some for “disrespecting” his opponent.

“There are many people saying I was disrespecting Cote, but this is absolutely not true,” Silva told Sherdog.com. “My game plan since the beginning was fight five rounds, inducing him to commit mistakes and capitalize on that during the first three rounds and look for the knockout during the fourth and fifth rounds. It was working, and the biggest proof of that is that I almost didn’t waste any blows. I connected with a couple of good punches and knees, but unfortunately he got hurt and the fight was over. This is not my fault.”

Asked about a possible rematch with Cote, Silva left it to UFC President Dana White, who was openly baffled by the Brazilian’s performance.

“If Dana White believes [Cote] deserves it,” Silva said, “I’ll be ready.”

Silva also said he had not heard the rumor of a possible meeting with Chuck Liddell at 205 pounds.

“Thank you for the information, I didn’t know about that,” he told Sherdog.com. “Let’s see what [Dana White] will say.

In the meantime, Silva, now 8-0 in the Octagon, is planning a vacation.

“I’m going to spend one week in Tibet in a house of a close friend, and right after I’m going to spend some time in Thailand sharpening my muay Thai.”

Dragan

I find it incredibly annoying the way some people will turn on a fighter for what they see as one bad performance. Anderson Silva has provided us with, in my honest opinion, some of the mos brutally destructive MMA that i have seen in a while.

Whilst i don't think he is currently the top P4P fighter in the world i think he is, without a doubt, the most likely candidate for setting a new standard by which we judge that.

I was watching his fight and figured like a lot of people that i talked to that he was respectful of Cotes power and was planning on staying out and wearing him down over the course of the fight.

Only an idiot thinks he will not get tagged. The interesting thing is that on Fight Metric Cote did better than anyone against the spider, if you boil it down to the numbers. It was pretty obvious that Cote was planning on giving himself 5 rounds to land on Silva and i can't say i blame him. In a championship fight you get 25 mins to do the job. No point in rushing it and getting knocked the **** out. It's a shame that in this case both fighters following their game plan meant a slow first two rounds, but it is what it is.

It's takes nothing away from either as a fighter in my view.

Alves once again impressed the hell out of me. He will make an interest opponent for GSP i think. GSP has been rolling people with a blend of athleticism and skill that few can match. Alves is another athletic and dynamic fighter. Would love to see this fight happen, assuming GSP makes it through BJ.

But thats another thread.

dunkamania

Dont get me wrong Dragan, I am not turning on Anderson, he is perfectly entitled to fight any fight he wants. My point is that he was toying with Cote, and that he disrespected him. He had Cote on his back and he offered to help him up. Cote has a great chin, and its fair enough to be fearful of his hands, but he is nowhere as dangerous as Marquadt off his back.

Dragan

dunkamania wrote: »

Dont get me wrong Dragan, I am not turning on Anderson, he is perfectly entitled to fight any fight he wants. My point is that he was toying with Cote, and that he disrespected him. He had Cote on his back and he offered to help him up. Cote has a great chin, and its fair enough to be fearful of his hands, but he is nowhere as dangerous as Marquadt off his back.

Personally Anderson looked bored. I don't think he wanted to do anything other than knock out a guy who has never been knocked out.