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A new political party for the people of Ireland

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    #32
    turgon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭turgon


    ninty9er wrote: »
    I never said FF was perfect, but nobody and nothing is.

    Thats not the problem, the problem is the gigantic lengths to which FF remains so imperfect. Just because perfection cant be reached doesnt mean slacking off can be tolerated.

    PS delighted when your junior minister for health got shouted down at the old peoples parliament.Pity it wasnt Cowen.


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    #33
    ninty9er
    Registered Users Posts: 9,366 ✭✭✭ninty9er


    turgon wrote: »
    PS delighted when your junior minister for health got shouted down at the old peoples parliament.Pity it wasnt Cowen.

    Great.....let's all promote indignance and intolerance.

    If I were John Moloney, I wouldn't have left that microphone until I'd been listened to. God knows he's probably been listening to enough over 70s over the last week.


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    #34
    podge79
    Registered Users Posts: 438 ✭✭podge79


    ninty9er wrote: »
    Great.....let's all promote indignance and intolerance.

    If I were John Moloney, I wouldn't have left that microphone until I'd been listened to. God knows he's probably been listening to enough over 70s over the last week.

    its voicing disapproval... and by his actions John Moloney showed how little backbone this governemnt indeed all politicians in Ireland have. more concerned about getting re-elected and keeping people happy then taking tough decisions and standing by them


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    #35
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    I'm surprised no one has mentioned the electoral system.

    If you put a key FFer or PDer in a constituency, they are almost certain to retain their seat, no matter what. you can get the situation (Like with the greens) where a TD has very very few first preference votes and yet manages to become a minister.

    If people really hate, for example, Mary Harney they won't vote for her they will vote for someone else, but over the course of the count she will pick up enough votes to make it into third place and bingo, another four years as health minister.

    There is no real pressure on TDs to perform, which is why, in the main, they don't.


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    #36
    turgon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭turgon


    ninty9er wrote: »
    Great.....let's all promote indignance and intolerance.

    Are you saying he deserved to be treated better?


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    #37
    ninty9er
    Registered Users Posts: 9,366 ✭✭✭ninty9er


    turgon wrote: »
    Are you saying he deserved to be treated better?

    Yes....are you completely socially inept?


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    #38
    The_Minister
    Registered Users Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    If you put a key FFer or PDer in a constituency.
    You are kind of right about FF, but the PDs never had any really safe seats (even McDowell lost his seat half the time).

    And there is huge pressure on TDs to perform - just not in the Dail.


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    #39
    Offy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭Offy


    I think its a great idea and the time is right. We are in a recession and most people in Ireland are feeling the pinch. If the young voters in this country actually went out and voted then you have a chance. Look to the people that started Boards.ie, they are intelligent, committed, hard working, successful (Boards popularity is proof enough or that) and popular. What is the average age of Boards.ie members? How many friends do they have that would support them? Lots. So stop talking and start recruiting. Start planning. Hit the colleges HARD. Im from Athlone, the AIT has over six thousand students, thats a lot of votes. Add up all the colleges and Uni's in Ireland and your sure to get some seats. Focus on the young voters, something thats not being done to date I think. Try a different approach and I feel you have a good chance of getting a few seats but be consistent. Keep the party young. I would be happy to commit time and effort to such a venture. Start planning now and with the right minds anything is possible, don’t listen to the fools that say it cant be done because fools they are and defeatists are of no benefit. It really is a good idea and the timing could not be better for a new, energetic, non corrupt party to launch.


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    #40
    The_Minister
    Registered Users Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    Boards.ie is not a homogenous mass.

    I could never me in a party with the likes of *insert random Ah'er*


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    #41
    DublinWriter
    Registered Users Posts: 9,557 ✭✭✭DublinWriter


    The_Minister wrote: »
    Boards.ie is not a homogenous mass.

    I could never be in a party with the likes of *insert random Ah'er*
    ...or one whose representatives retort with "...and YORE MA!" when fielded a particularly tricky topic on Questions and Answers.


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    #42
    billy the squid
    Registered Users Posts: 12,811 ✭✭✭✭billy the squid


    gally74 wrote: »
    who says you cant run it like a company, its ireland inc wether we like it or not, and folks the writing is on the wall,

    You cannot run a country like a private company. Many of the services a country provides operate at a loss, these being public transport to rural areas, schools, etc. Were you to run it like a company you would have to scrap rural bus services as they were uneconomical. The same goes for schools, the only way you would be able to make schools turn a profit would be to introduce fees, leaving the educated rich and the uneducated people who can't afford to go to school. The only other alternative would be to continue the patronage of schools by the church.
    is it fair that a bad teacher can keep his job

    If he is a good teacher he should be allowed to keep his job. If he is a bad teacher then the parents have the option to take a complaint to the board of management of that school.
    is it fair that civil servants think the country is their for them

    You will have to clarify this. The country should be there for anyone who needs it.
    there needs to be less of whats in it for me and more of a vision for ireland,

    Mighty words, but when it comes down to it, people the world over will only agree to something if it does not impinge on their life. The only time people will make sacrifices is when they feel they are in danger of disaster/terrorism or at war.
    who here would be up for starting a party, the time is coming and the people do need a change,

    What time? which people. Setting up a party is a big commitment. in order to do so you need 300 signatories or one sitting TD.
    i dont agree with the PD points put forward by some people, the pd's only came into existenance because of Charlie Haughey,

    The PDs of yore are a far cry from the PDs of today.
    They did not come about by the need for change,

    Actually they did. The PDs were formed by members of existing parties who felt there should be change in relation to the likes of divorce and contreception laws. There were members of Fine Gael in the PDs founders too you know.
    The time is coming,

    by the way the paty will be called,

    The Peoples Patriotic Party.

    and patriot in the sense of whats right for ireland not thr tri colour waving brigade!


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    #43
    dsmythy
    Registered Users Posts: 10,518 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    Offy wrote: »
    What is the average age of Boards.ie members? How many friends do they have that would support them? Lots. So stop talking and start recruiting. Start planning. Hit the colleges HARD. Im from Athlone, the AIT has over six thousand students, thats a lot of votes. Add up all the colleges and Uni's in Ireland and your sure to get some seats. Focus on the young voters, something thats not being done to date I think. Try a different approach and I feel you have a good chance of getting a few seats but be consistent. Keep the party young.

    Young people and students are lost to socialism until they graduate so unless you're setting up yet another socialist party, best wait for them to start earning.


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    #44
    irish_bob
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    dsmythy wrote: »
    Young people and students are lost to socialism until they graduate so unless you're setting up yet another socialist party, best wait for them to start earning.

    aint that the truth , just before the election last year , i was listening to that inane station spin 1038 , they had an election poll where listeners could text in which party they wished to vote for , the greens and sinn fein were 1st and 2nd unsurprisingly


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    #45
    Fratton Fred
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    The_Minister wrote: »
    And there is huge pressure on TDs to perform - just not in the Dail.

    from who?

    How can there be pressure to perform when all you need is a FF badge and the right surname?


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    #46
    Darragh29
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,097 ✭✭✭Darragh29


    gally74 wrote: »
    Some of the core fundementals of the party are as follows,
    gally74 wrote: »
    Senad, complete closure.
    gally74 wrote: »
    Health,

    cheaper helath for all,

    Going by the spelling mistakes in your proposed manifesto, I'm surprised you aren't pushing for more spending in education. If you want my vote, you'll need to be able to spell the word "health", before you give me a lecture on what you are going to do to that department.

    Yes we need change, but none of the nonsense that you suggested...


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    #47
    Offy
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    So what do you siggest Darragh29?


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    #48
    Liam Byrne
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    ninty9er wrote: »
    Great.....let's all promote indignance and intolerance.

    Another policy Brian Cowen seems to have adopted.

    You left out "incompetence", though......


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    #49
    jmayo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Another policy Brian Cowen seems to have adopted.

    You left out "incompetence", though......

    I seem to remember bertie being intolerant especially of those who questioned the economic marvel he created :rolleyes:
    Didn't he ask the doubters and the doomsayers to go off and committ suicide or the like ?
    So much for tolerance.
    Maybe the pensionsers have led the way and have shown the rest of the population how to actually get off their ars** and do something.

    If FF and PDs were in France or even Britain, does our FF cheerleaders think they would still be tolerated in power after the amount of cockups and wastage of taxpayers money that they have been responsible for or rather not responsible for depending on the department ala Health ?
    If anything the voters have been too bloody tolerant and now people that have meekly put up with the sh** for so long are finally getting fed up, becuase there isn't the "great" economy there any longer to mask all the faults.

    I am not allowed discuss …



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    #50
    md23040
    Registered Users Posts: 497 ✭✭md23040


    gally74 wrote: »
    Hello all...

    What the hell let's give it a go!! Your manifesto has as many inconsistencies as any other party. Don't mind the spelling mistakes. There are independent politicians in the Kerry with only rudimentary English skills. And are about as understandable as Borat crossed with Eeyore.

    But if you can unedrstnad this snetnece tehn it’s oaky not to splel properly – dno’t gvie up. Dissenters the lot of them – edcutaed snbos. ;)


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    #51
    Frankie Lee
    Registered Users Posts: 3,285 ✭✭✭Frankie Lee


    The fact of the matter is there is no alternative to Fianna Fail, unless Alan Dukes wins a by-election and regains the leadership of FG.


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    #52
    gally74
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,997 ✭✭✭gally74


    its a while since i started this post,

    i wonder has the mood now swung more ofr some thing like this,

    thanks for pointing out the spelling mistakes,

    id like to add some more to my manifesto:

    Vat rate of 5% on food (to reduce the spending to NI) will adjsut based on currency,

    all junior ministers to go

    president to go,

    all new civil servants on defined contibution.

    clear policy to eliminate unions from the civil service,

    get tough policy with criminal element (prisons way too cushy) id have the army sitting outside these punk heads in limerick every morning when they wake up.

    elimination of the county council system, 5 council, borders, dublin leinster, munster,

    major infrastructure programme.


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    #53
    Hagar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,793 ✭✭✭✭Hagar


    Great idea OP but in reality you will get three or less seats and whore those three votes to the parties your trying to usurp just to keep your seat on the gravy train.

    We've all seen it happen time and again.


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    #54
    DublinWriter
    Registered Users Posts: 9,557 ✭✭✭DublinWriter


    gally74 wrote: »
    Vat rate of 5% on food (to reduce the spending to NI) will adjsut based on currency,
    There's no VAT on food.

    I suggest that you resign as leader of your new political party.


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    #55
    Darragh29
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,097 ✭✭✭Darragh29


    You had my interest there until you said...
    gally74 wrote: »
    I have supported FF for most of my life

    You're a part of the problem mate, so therefore I can't see how you can be a part of the solution.


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    #56
    eddiehobbs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 156 ✭✭eddiehobbs


    DublinWriter wrote: »
    There's no VAT on food

    There is, depending on the category of food your talking about


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